lotr. ka skjer med frodo?

[fyren]

hei!

kjenner noen som har lest boka sjøl har eg lest boka fleire ganger(2.)

men dei seie at frodo dør i slutten av boka når han reiser over havet.

for dei meine at han drar over til den andre sio som her er himmelen og opp

til gud (om du tror på han.)

 

sjøl meine eg at han reiser til valinor og til der vallane bor og lever videre for ei stund der.

 

det er dette eg vil ha svar på, om di har rett, eller om eg har rett, eller ka som skjer med han???

 

er ikkje så god i norsk rettskriving

[b-real]

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[Uin Viel]

From The Letters of J. R. R. Tolkien, 325 From a letter to Roger Lancelyn Green 17 July 1971

 

The 'immortals' who were permitted to leave Middle-earth and seek Aman – the undying lands of Valinor and Eressëa, an island assigned to the Eldar – set sail in ships specially made and hallowed for this voyage, and steered due West towards the ancient site of these lands. They only set out after sundown; but if any keen-eyed observer from that shore had watched one of these ships he might have seen that it never became hull-down but dwindled only by distance until it vanished in the twilight: it followed the straight road to the true West and not the bent road of the earth's surface. As it vanished it left the physical world. There was no return. The Elves who took this road and those few 'mortals' who by special grace went with them, had abandoned the 'History of the world' and could play no further part in it.

 

The angelic immortals (incarnate only at their own will), the Valar or regents under God, and others of the same order but less power and majesty (such as Olórin = Gandalf) needed no transport, unless they for a time remained incarnate, and they could, if allowed or commanded, return.

 

As for Frodo or other mortals, they could only dwell in Aman for a limited time – whether brief or long. The Valar had neither the power nor the right to confer 'immortality' upon them. Their sojourn was a 'purgatory', but one of peace and healing and they would eventually pass away (die at their own desire and of free will) to destinations of which the Elves knew nothing.

 

This general idea lies behind the events of The Lord of the Rings and the Silmarillion, but it is not put forward as geologically or astronomically 'true'; except that some special physical catastrophe is supposed to lie behind the legends and marked the first stage in the succession of Men to dominion of the world. But the legends are mainly of 'Mannish' origin blended with those of the Sindar (Gray-elves) and others who had never left Middle-earth.

 

Fant dette her.

[fyren]

takk!!

[Eldritch]

Frodo bodde på Tol Eresseä, en øy ved innseilingen til Aman, til sin død (i og med at han ikke kunne bo i selve Valinor, Tolkien gir en lengre forklaring på akkurat hvorfor han ikke kunne bo der i.. mm.. enten var det i Letters of JRRT, eller så var det i en av bøkene i History of Middle-earth-serien). Sam bosatte seg også der da han dro over havet, og Gimli bosatte vel også der, vil jeg tro. Så fyren, du har strengt tatt rett, selv om vennene dine til en viss grad også har rett, i og med at Gandalf, Frodo etc. "seilte inn i himmelen", i.e. de forlot den jordiske verden (Midgard) og dro til de udødeliges land.

Endret 20. juni 2008 av Eldritch