Lærer Islam vold?

[Pricks]

Men som regel er det altså Gud som utfører slaktingen selv.

[Knofle]

Muhammed var en krigerprofet.

Jesus var en profet.

 

Spot the difference.

[Frohman]

Se på de naturreligiøse afrikanerne!

Se på kristne i Sør-Amerika! Er det Islam som gjør muslimene mer voldelige enn andre?

Begge disse regionene er voldtatt av borgerkriger. Akkurat som midt-østen. Media har bare bestemt seg for å gjøre noen slemme. Siden muslimer er i stor grad invandrere nyter de og framstille dem som ville menn med bombebelter og skjegg.

[Pricks]

Frohman, se på linken om hvordan koranen i større grad oppfordrer til vold.

[sony123]

Muhammed var en krigerprofet.

Jesus var en profet.

 

Spot the difference.

 

 

Nettopp!

 

Islam har en militaristisk bakgrunn og opphav.

 

Muhammed var en krigsherre i det borgerkrigsherjede Arabia på 600 tallet.

Han livnærte seg som karavanerøver, massakrerte mange av sine beseirede fiender, voldtok deres kvinner osv.

Han var kort sagt en middelaldersk krigsherre. Ikke verre enn samtidige, men heller ikke bedre.

 

Poenget er at det er all mulig grunn til å se på sammenhengen mellom koranens militære budskap, Muhammeds bakgrunn og muslimers høye aggresjonsnivå.

[freke]

Men som regel er det altså Gud som utfører slaktingen selv.

 

Men vi ser ikke mye til drap begått av gud i dag. Er det fordi:

1: Han er død?

2: Han har gått over til passifisme?

3: Han har aldri eksistert, og således var det slett ikke gud som utførte drapene, in the first place?

[Pricks]

Det er nok nummer 3.

[Knofle]

Eller det kan være #4: Stopp å fokuser på det gamle testamentet, og les heller det nye, slik som det vi kristne gjør.

Eller det kan være #5: Han gjør det fortsatt, det er bare ateister som ser på det som folk som dør naturlig. Ateister ville ikke sett drap begått av Gud, uansett.

[Gunfreak]

vel, jesus sa tydlig(i følge bibelen) at man skal følge det gammle testamentet, så alle kristene som ikke gjør det, er ikke gode kristene.

[Knofle]

Man skal selvfølgelig følge retningslinjene til det gamle testamentet, men nå tar folk ting ut av sammenheng og tidsepoker her også. Selv om bibelen ble skrevet på Jesu tid, trenger ikke vi å leve slik.

 

Uansett er ikke dette emnet for diskusjonen.

[Traadstarter]

Rare folk

Endret 21. februar 2008 av Traadstarter

[Erman]

Rare folk

 

Er det sånn "finn-fem-feil"-bilde?

[Traadstarter]

Ja, men først og fremst et godt politisk poeng.

[Xtra]

Vi ser jo også at de som virkelig er kristne også er flinke til å true folk. Bare at "Tegner du Muhammed skal vi drepe deg" er byttet ut med "Tro på oss, ellers vil du brenne i Helvete".

Det er heller ikke uvanlig for Amerikanske politiske karikatur og tegneserietegnere å få noen dødstrussler når de begir seg innpå ømfintelige politiske eller religiøse temaer. Ted Rall skal blant annet ha fått mange, som han mener at hovedsaklig kommer fra ytre kristen høyreside. Dødstrusslene taes ikke spesielt seriøst og de får omtrent ingen mediaomtale, så det er mest en godt bevart hemmelighet innenfor tegneseriebransjen.

 

En godt bevart hemmelighet? Tror ikke det du, jeg har hørt om dette før.

 

Forskjellen mellom Islam og Kristendommen på akkurat dette med håning gjennom karikaturer, er hvordan den respektive religionen reagerer. Ambassader ble kastet brannbomber på, flagg ble brent og hoppet på, den vestlige verden ble forbannet, osv... Jeg regner med at du vet hva som skjedde, så mer enn det trenger jeg ikke å skrive.

 

Problemet er, i mine øyne, tolkningen av Islam. Den trenger å bli modernisert, spesielt når man "skal" tolke Koranen bokstavlig.

 

Klikk for å se/fjerne innholdet nedenfor

Quran Surah 2: The Cow

 

Don't bother to warn the disbelievers. Allah has blinded them. Theirs will be an awful doom. 6

Allah has sickened their hearts. A painful doom is theirs because they lie. 10

A fire has been prepared for the disbelievers, whose fuel is men and stones. 24

Disbelievers will be burned with fire. 39, 90

For disbelievers is a painful doom. 104

For unbelievers: ignominy in this world, an awful doom in the next. 114

Allah will leave the disbelievers alone for a while, but then he will compel them to the doom of Fire. 126

The doom of the disbelievers will not be lightened. 162

They will not emerge from the Fire. 167

Those who hide the Scripture will have their bellies eaten with fire. Theirs will be a painful doom. 174

How constant are they in their strife to reach the Fire! 175

Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kil them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. 191

War is ordained by Allah. 216

Those who die in their disbelief will burn forever in the Fire. 217

Disbelievers worship false gods. They will burn forever in the Fire. 257

Allah does not guide disbelievers. 264

"Give us victory over the disbelieving folk." 286

 

 

Quran Surah 3: The Family Of 'Imran

 

Those who disbelieve the revelations of Allah, theirs will be a heavy doom. 4

Those who disbelieve will be fuel for the Fire. 10

Those who disbelieve shall be overcome and gathered unto Hell. 12

Those who disbelieve, promise them a painful doom. 21

Theirs will be a painful doom. 77

All non-Muslims will be rejected by Allah after they die. 85

Disbelievers will have a painful doom. And they will have no helpers. 91

Disbelievers will have their faces blackened on the last day. They will face an awful doom. 105-6

Those who disbelieve will be burnt in the Fire. 116

The Fire is prepared for disbelievers. 131

We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Their habitation is the Fire 151

Theirs will be an awful doom. 176

Disbelievers do not harm Allah, but will have a painful doom. 177

Disbelievers will have a shamful doom. 178

Disbelievers will go to Hell. 196

 

 

 

Quran Surah 4: Women

Those who disobey Allah and his messenger will be burnt with fire and suffer a painful doom. 14

For the disbelievers, We have prepared a painful doom. 18

For disbelievers, We prepare a shameful doom. 37

Hell is sufficient for their burning. 55

Unbelievers will be tormented forever with fire. When their skin is burned off, a fresh skin will be provided. 56

Allah will bestow a vast reward on those who fight in religious wars. 74

Believers fight for Allah; disbelievers fight for the devil. So fight the minions of the devil. 76

Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them. 89

If the unbelievers do not offer you peace, kill them wherever you find them. Against such you are given clear warrant. 91 ( Offering peace in Islam means surrendering. All 67 out of 68 wars of Muhammad were offensive. They are called qazwah (raid, ambush, sudden attack). That is how Muhammad waged his wars. He raided, massacred and looted civilians with no warning. The one defensive war, 'ditch' was not fought. That is why the Islamic terrorism 'jihad' will continue until the West "offers peace". This was made clear by Bin Laden.)

Those who oppose the messenger and become unbelievers will go to hell. 115

Those who believe, then disbelieve, then believe and disbelieve again will never be forgiven by Allah. 137

For the hypocrites there will be a painful doom. 138

Allah will gather hypocrites and disbelievers into hell. 140

The hypocrites will be in the lowest part of hell and no one will help them there. 145

You must believe everything Allah and his messengers tell you. Those who don't are disbelievers and will face a painful doom. 150-151

For the disbelievers, Allah has prepared a painful doom. 161

God will guide disbelievers down a road that leads to everlasting hell. 168-169

 

 

Quran Surah 5: The Table Spread

(NOTE: CH 5 is the NEXT TO LAST revelation given to Mo and it is mean but not as mean as CH 9)

Those who deny Islam will be losers in the Hereafter. 5

Disbelievers are the rightful owners of Hell. 10

Those who make war with Allah and his messenger will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. That is how they will be treated in this world, and in the next they will have an awful doom. 33 (Anyone who resist Islam is deemed to be making war with Allah)

Disbelievers will have a painful doom. 36

Disbelievers will want to come out of the Fire, but will not. Their will be a lasting doom. 37

Life for life, eye for eye, nose for nose, ear for ear, and tooth for tooth. Non-muslims are wrong doers. 45

Christians will be burned in the Fire. 72

Christians are wrong about the Trinity. For that they will have a painful doom. 73

Disbelievers will be owners of hell-fire. 86

 

 

Quran Surah 6: The Cattle

Many generations have been destroyed by Allah. 6

Allah will torment those who deny his revelations. 49

Those who disbelieve will be forced to drink boiling water, and will face a painful doom. 70

When nonbelievers die, the angels will deliver to them doom and degradation. 93

Allah chooses to lead some astray, and he lays ignominy on those who disbelieve. 125

Allah will send everyone the Fire, except those he chooses to deliver. 128

 

 

Quran Surah 7: The Heights

How many a township have We destroyed! As a raid by night, or while they slept at noon, Our terror came unto them. 4-5

Allah has made devils the protecting friends of disbeliveers. 27

Disbelievers choose devils as protecting friends and believe they are rightly guided. 30

Only believers go to heaven. 32

Disbelievers are the rightful owners of the Fire. 36

Entire nations have entered the Fire. Some get a double torment. 38

Disbelievers will be excluded from heaven. Theirs will be a bed of hell. 40-41

Those in the Fire will cry out to those in heaven, saying: "Pour water on us." But Allah has forbidden that to disbelievers. 50

Those who deny Muhammad's revelation are evil. 177

 

 

Quran Surah 8: The Spoils of War

Allah will throw fear into the hearts of the disbelievers, and smite their necks and fingers. 12

Disbelievers will be tormented in the Fire. 14

When you fight with disbelievers, do not retreat. Those who do will go to hell. 15-16

Taste of the doom because ye disbelieve. 35

Those who disbelieve will be gathered into hell. 36

The angels smite the face and backs of disbelievers, saying: "Taste the punishment of burning!" 50

The worst beasts in Allah's sight are the disbelievers. 55

Exhort the believers to fight. They will win easily, because disbelievers are without intelligence. 65

A prophet may not take captives until he has made a slaughter in the land. 67

 

Surah 9: Repentance

(CH 9 IS THE LAST AND MEANEST OF THE REVELATIONS.)

 

Give tidings (O Muhammad) of a painful doom to those who disbelieve. 3

Slay the idolaters wherever you find them. 5

Don't let idolaters tend the sanctuaries. Their works are in vain and they will be burned in the Fire. 17

Give tiding of a painful doom to Christians and Jews. 34

If you refuse to fight, Allah will afflict you with a painful doom. 39

Disbelievers go to hell. 49

Those who vex the Prophet, for them there is a painful doom. 60

Those who oppose Allah and His messenger will burn in the fire of hell. 63

Allah promises hypocrites and disbelievers the fire of hell. Allah curses them. They will have a lasting torment. 68

Fight the disbelievers and hypocrites. Be harsh with them. They are all going to hell anyway. 73

Allah will afflict disbelievers with a painful doom in this world and the Hereafter. 74

For disbelievers there will be a painful doom. 90

Don't pray for idolaters (not even for your family) after it is clear they are people of hell-fire. 113

Fight disbelievers who are near you, and let them see the harshness in you. 123

 

 

Quran Surah 10: Jonah

Disbelievers will have a boiling drink and a painful doom. 4

Those who neglect Allah's revelations will make their home in the Fire. 7-8

Allah has destoyed entire generations. 13

Those who disbelieved will face a dreadful doom. 70

Allah drowned those who disbelieved his revelations. 73

Moses asked Allah to harden the hearts of the Egyptians so that they would not believe until they saw the painful doom. 88

 

 

Quran Surah 11: Hud

Disbelievers wil1 end up in the Fire. 17

Those who oppose Islam and disbelieve in the Hereafter are guilty of the greatest wrong. 18-19

Those in the Fire will suffer as long as the heavens and earth endure. 106-7

Allah will fill hell with humans and jinn. 119

 

 

Quran Surah 13: The Thunder

Disbelievers are the rightful owners of the Fire 5

Allah does not hear the prayer of disbelievers. 14

Those who do not answer Allah's call will go to hell. 18

Disbelievers will be tormented in this life, and suffer even more pain in the Hereafter. 33-34

The reward for disbelievers is the Fire. 35

 

 

Quran Surah 14: Abraham

Woe unto the disbelievers. Theirs will be an awful doom. 2

Allah sends some people astray. 4

Those who are in hell will be forced to drink festering water which they can hardly swallow. They will want to die, but they will not be able to. Theirs is a harsh doom. 16-17

Allah sends wrong-doers astray. He does whatever he likes. 27

Those in hell will be chained together. Their clothing will be made of pitch and fire will cover their faces. 49-50

 

 

Quran Surah 15: The Rock

Let the disbelievers enjoy life and let false hope beguile them. They will come to know! 2-3

Iblis will lead humans astray. Only perfect Muslims will be safe from him. The rest will go to hell. 39-43

Allah's doom is a dolorous doom. 50

 

 

Quran Surah 16: The Bee

Allah could have led everyone to the truth, but he chose not to. 9

Those who don't believe in the Hearafter are proud. 22

Disbelievers are evil and will dwell in hell forever. 27-29

Disbelievers are liars. 39

Allah will add doom to doom for those who disbelieve. 88

Those who oppose Islam will face an awful doom. 94

 

 

Quran Surah 17: The Children of Israel

Allah made hell to be a dungeon for disbelievers. 8

Allah has prepared a painful doom for those who disbelieve in the Hereafter. 10

Allah destroyed entire towns. 16

How many generations Allah has destroyed since Noah! 17

Allah intends to burn people in hell. 18

Allah makes it so that unbelievers cannot understand. 45-46

Allah will destroy every town before the Day of Resurrection. 58

Allah will send disbelievers astray. Then he'll burn them in hell, increasing the flames from time to time. 97-98

 

 

Quran Surah 18: The Cave

Allah has prepared a Fire for the disbelievers. When they want a shower, Allah will give them a shower of molten lead to burn their faces. 29

Those who are condemned to the Fire know they will have no way to escape. 53

The worst wrong is to forget Allah's revelations. Allah covers their hearts and makes them deaf so that they will never believe the truth. 57

There is an appointed time in which the doomed will find no escape. 58

Allah has destroyed many towns. 59

On a certain day, Allah will present hell, in plain view, to the disbelievers. 100

Allah will welcome the disbelievers into hell. 102

Hell is the reward for disbelievers because they made a jest of Allah's revelations and messengers. 106

 

Quran Surah 19: Mary

Allah will pluck out from every sect those who should burn in hell. 69-70

Allah will record what disbelievers say and then prolong their torment. 77-79

Allah has sent the devils on the disbelievers to confuse them. 83

Allah has destroyed many generations. 98

 

Notice a pattern in the Qur'an? Wasn't it nice of that Islamic scholar to cut all the BS out and give you the essence of the Qur'an. You just completed 3 years work in 20 minutes! How about that!

 

Keep this in mind when a Muslim tells you that the Qur'an promotes tolerance and respect for other religions: LIAR!

 

Helt klart påvirket av mannens agenda, men versene i Koranen er autentiske og sier en del om deres syn på vold.

Endret 21. februar 2008 av Xtra

[Traadstarter]

Ja, jammen godt at når vi først skal ha en Statsreligion så er det en harmløs religion som Kristendommen og ikke Islam.

[Erman]

*host* harmløs sa du?

 

Dette skjer i dag:

- Leger blir drept for å tilby bl.a. voldektsofre abort. (Kilde nyheter)

- George Bush fronter sin Afrika-turné med bevilgninger til fattige og AIDS-ofre. Baksiden av medaljen er at AIDS-ofre som har vært involvert i prostitusjon ikke får hjelp. I ekstreme tilfeller har barn av AIDS-smittede prostituerte blitt nektet behandling. (Kilde CNN)

Alt i kristendommens navn.

 

Hvis man ser på saken fra en litt forskrudd vinkel, er det slik at Kristendom tjener verdens velstand, mens Islam har "de undertryktes" religion.

[Traadstarter]

Det med legene skjer SVÆRT sjelden, og ikke i Norge. Jeg er i hvert fall glad vi ikke har Islam i Norge.

[Erman]

Det med legene skjer SVÆRT sjelden, og ikke i Norge. Jeg er i hvert fall glad vi ikke har Islam i Norge.

 

Jeg er SVÆRT glad for at vi ikke har Islam som statsreligion i Norge jeg og.

Innlegget var for å illustrere at gresset ikke er grønnere på verken av sidene.

[Pricks]

Det er egentlig uholdbart at vi har en statsreligion i det hele tatt. Jeg lurer på om ikke det at kristendommen er statsreligion faktisk kan føre til enda større antipatier fra muslimer. Hvis det ikke var noen statsreligion og religionene ikke ble forskjellsbehandlet, så hadde man kanskje fått fjernet en grunn til at muslimer ikke finner seg til rette her.

[Luftbor]

Buddhister kriger like mye som muslimer? Det vil jeg ha KILDE på! Du bare sier at jeg tar feil, men det hjelper ikke om du ikke har kilder.

 

Men du sier jo til sjuende og sist at jeg har rett. Islam brukes til å gjøre befolkningen voldelige.

 

Det japanske imperiet før og under andre verdenskrig?

Japan har en blanding av buddhisme (zen) og shinto. De brukte aktivt disse elementene i sin brutale krigføring på det kinesiske fastlandet blant annet.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism_in_Japan