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Det ville vært ganske absurd å "starte på nytt". Vi får nok en ny versjon av Supermann i Justice League og tviler på at de slenger nok en ny versjon ut. Det er nok ganske så sansynlig at Singer forsvinner ut, da hans kompiser ikke lenger er med. De satser på regissørkarrierer nå og er vel blitt lei av å spille annenfiolin. Men det er også muligheter for at Singers gamle kompanjong Christopher McQuarrie (The Usual Suspects) vil overta skribentrollen. Men det er kun rykter, magefølelsen sier vel at Singer også trekker seg og filmen blir lagt på hylla inntil videre. Vi får jo uansett se Supermann i Justice League, som kommer 2009 eller 2010 hvis alt går etter planen.

 

Kommer Superman: Man of Steel (som er tittelen, ikke Superman 2) så er det like greit at noen nye manusforfattere er på plass, for de to rotet det jo mye til i Superman Returns.

 

Mark Millar har ytret ønske om å skrive manus, med en frisk start. Men tegneserieforfatteren er ikke akkurat kjent som manusforfatter og det er jo en vesentlig forskjell på de to "grenene".

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Red Son var jo fin, men det er noe annet å skrive manus enn det å skrive en tegneserieblekke.

 

Noe revamp av Supermann nå er lite ønskelig. Vi får JL, trenger ikke nok en variant av Supermann enda. Lag en oppfølger eller skrinlegg det hele i noen år og fokuser på Justice League.

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Oh, kanskje
kan komme om bord igjen slik at scriptet denne gangen ikke blir blekt og kjedelig?

 

Er du galen mann? :D

 

Gigantiske edderkopper, fjerning av drakten, fjerning av muligheten til å fly og gudene vite hva annet han klarte å lesse inn i Superman Lives scriptet. Men han er vel unnskyldt da de absurde føringene kom fra Jon Peters. “everyday with the fucking spider from Jon.”

 

Men scriptet er jo artig lesing :wee:

 

Hele Superman Lives historien fra Wikipedia (helt absurd lesing (uthevet det mest ekstreme), om jeg må si det (og få nok en sjangs til å bruke ordet absurd i dette innlegget)):

 

Superman Lives: Kevin Smith

 

Meanwhile, Warner Brothers, recently impressed by Kevin Smith’s script for Chasing Amy, brought Smith into their offices around late 1996. They offered him several scripts for potential rewrite work. The first was a remake of the famous Outer Limits episode The Architects of Fear. The second was a sequel to Beetlejuice titled Beetle Juice Goes Hawaiian, to which Smith thought, “must we go tropical?” The third was Gregory Poirier’s script of Superman Reborn, which had caught Smith’s eye due to his love of comic books.[9]

 

Smith was asked to take home a copy of the Poirer script give them his thoughts. Smith felt the script did not properly respect the source material, going so far as to ask Warners if they "had actually paid someone to write the script, and if so, could they get their money back?" Lorenzo di Bonaventura, the head of Warner Brothers at the time, was impressed with Smith’s knowledge of the character and asked Smith to take a try at a rewrite.[9]

 

Smith met with producer Jon Peters and told him the basic ideas he had in mind. Smith asked Peters who he saw playing Superman. Peters said that Sean Penn would be his choice because, “he has the eyes of a killer, and the charisma of a caged animal” per his performance in Dead Man Walking and then told Smith about three rules he wanted in the script.[9]

 

The first rule was not seeing Superman in the classic red, blue, and yellow suit, which he called "too faggy." The second rule was getting rid of Superman's ability to fly. When Smith asked the producer why he didn't want Superman to fly, Peters responded saying "he'll look like an overgrown Boy Scout carrying and saving those people."[9] Smith's solution was to portray Superman as a "red blur" and "causing a sonic boom everytime he flew," an idea taken from Frank Miller’s The Dark Knight Returns.[8] The third rule was to have Superman fight a giant spider in the third act, which Peters said was inspired by seeing King Kong as a child, and how it would be a perfect opportunity for modern day special effects to depict Superman fighting something "huge and beast-like."[9]

 

Smith then told Peters he would try his best and see what he could do with the three strange rules. Smith went back to Warner Brothers offices where he met an exec. The exec told him that Peters liked Smith and they were going to move forward on the project. The exec then worriedly asked Smith if Peters had brought up the giant spider. Smith laughingly said he did and asked the exec about the spider. The exec told him, “everyday with the fucking spider from Jon.” Smith asked what he should do about "the spider situation" and the exec told him "to keep the idea, just don’t call it a spider." Off the top of his head Smith came up with a "Thagarian Snare-beast." Smith was ready to start writing the screenplay, but Warner Brothers told him he had to write a brief outline first, so they could approve of a screenplay. Smith asked if he could include dialouge and he was told yes.[9]

 

Smith claims that he’s only great with dialouge and wrote an 80-page outline, with a substantial amount of dialouge. Warner Brothers told him it was too long, saying that an outline should only be four pages at the most. The studio then told Smith that he had to go back to Peters’ house, and read him the entire 80-page outline. Peters reportedly likes it when his writers read the outline to a script.[9]

 

Smith finished reading the entire 80-page outline to Peters, which the producer liked very much, but said that there was a problem with "not being enough action scenes." Peters wanted an action beat for every 10 pages and as an example, he went to the scene where Brainiac goes to The Fortress of Solitude looking for Superman. Peters wanted Brainiac to fight Superman’s guards to which Smith replied, “Why would Superman need guards? Plus it’s called The Fortress of Solitude for a specific reason.” Peters then brought up Brainiac fighting Polar Bears where he was to kill one, and another runs off because he “didn’t want to piss of the PETA-people” as Smith says.[9]

 

Smith sent in his first draft, titled Superman Lives, and was asked for recommendations for a director. Smith suggested Tim Burton, but was told by the studio that Burton would never "do something like this."[9] Robert Rodriguez claims he was offered the chance to direct, but turned it down because he didn't want to do a big-budget film for a studio.[10] It wasn't until Smith turned in his second draft, that the interests of Burton and longtime Superman fan Nicolas Cage were attached to the project. Cage originally offering his services as either Brainiac or Lex Luthor, but was eventually cast as Superman.[8]

 

When Peters saw Smith’s film Chasing Amy, he liked the gay black character Hooper X, played by Dwight Ewell and told Smith that Brainiac's robot sidekick, L-Ron, "should have the same voice by Ewell", stating that the movie needed a "gay R2-D2." Citing the need for merchandisable characters, Peters also said that Brainiac should have a "cute-cuddly dog" similar to Chewbacca which he give to Luthor as a gift, setting up a comedic routine between Luthor and "the alien dog" not getting along.[9]

 

Ultimately, Tim Burton rejected Smith’s draft and, as Smith put it, "everything went out the fucking window." Smith then watched The Wild Wild West remake, a film that was coincidentally produced by Peters. In the third act Smith jokingly notes how a giant mechanical spider was introduced.[8]

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et manus av Kevin smith ville blitt litt for langtrekt

 

men Mark Millar er kjent for å skrive mye action.. storslagen action..

Tenk dere dette.. bare som film.. med superman :p

http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/Ultimat...3015-22_col.jpg

 

Og Dotten.. er ikke langt unna å skrive en Comic og en film.. en forfatter må prøve å fortelle en historie som en annen skal vekke til live.. (Regisør og artist)

moderne comics har veldig virkelignær dialog og shitt..

eneste problemet med en som Mark Millar er at det kan bli litt for dypt inn i universet..

 

 

 

men han er vel tøff nok til å introdusere Mercy.. er lei av de tuffsete assistentene til Lex.. MERCY !!

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Det er to forskjellige grener. Såfremt man ikke er trent i manusskriving bør man heller skrive et utkast, som da en profesjonell manusforfatter kan overføre i manusformat. Kevin Smith er jo en av de som mestrer begge sjangerne (spesielt dialog i et manus kan ikke ha den klisjeakige og enkle formen man finner i blader). Historien får et helt annet tempo, man trenger vel litt mer flesk i et manus (selv om manus ideelt sett ikke bør bli for beskrivende, fordi regissøren skal visualisere seg tingene).

 

Miller ønsker å starte forfra. Det syntes jeg er feil retning å gå nå. Kanskje om en 5-6 år, men ikke for en 2009-2010 film. Det går grenser for hvor mange Supermannversjoner man kan ha flytende rundt i løpet av en 5 års periode.

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Det er to forskjellige grener. Såfremt man ikke er trent i manusskriving bør man heller skrive et utkast, som da en profesjonell manusforfatter kan overføre i manusformat. Kevin Smith er jo en av de som mestrer begge sjangerne (spesielt dialog i et manus kan ikke ha den klisjeakige og enkle formen man finner i blader). Historien får et helt annet tempo, man trenger vel litt mer flesk i et manus (selv om manus ideelt sett ikke bør bli for beskrivende, fordi regissøren skal visualisere seg tingene).

 

Miller ønsker å starte forfra. Det syntes jeg er feil retning å gå nå. Kanskje om en 5-6 år, men ikke for en 2009-2010 film. Det går grenser for hvor mange Supermannversjoner man kan ha flytende rundt i løpet av en 5 års periode.

Atter en gang noen som ikke har lest moderne blader og slår ned på gamle stereotyper.. eller bare lest shitt fra Devin Grayson..

blader som eks Y: The Last man kan faktisk direkte overføres til film.. (er bare en litt for lang historie:P)

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Atter en gang noen som ikke har lest moderne blader og slår ned på gamle stereotyper.. eller bare lest shitt fra Devin Grayson..

blader som eks Y: The Last man kan faktisk direkte overføres til film.. (er bare en litt for lang historie:P)

 

 

Du presterer en skivebom om du tror jeg ikke leser moderne blader. Men at man bommer såpass fælt er ikke overaskende når man kommer med antagelser om folk man ikke kjenner :p

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