Bør vi legalisere cannabis?

[DrHawkins]

@gavekort

anbefaler at du følger emd i tråden for da skjønner du godt at det går ikke ann å sammenligne alkohol miljet med cannabis miljøet.

det er 2 langt forskjellgie ting og ligger langt langt fra hverandre på statistikken.

alkoholen er 10x farligere enn cannabis

[Dr.Satan]

Det dør nesten 2 millioner mennesker hvert eneste år globalt av alkohol, så 2 millioner ganger farligere enn cannabis er vel et mer korrekt tall.

Endret 2. september 2011 av Dr.Satan

[Hopperesque]

For min del kan de gjøre det. I USA burde det ha vært legalisert for lenge siden. Mindre kriminalitet, færre fanger, bedre kontroll. Stort sett bare fordeler.

 

Selv har jeg liten interesse for marihuana.

[LithitiumS]

Jeg mener at vi ikke bør legalisere cannabis.

Det er gjerne bedre enn andre lovlige stoffer men om vi legaliserer det vil det bli svært populært blant ungdom som gjerne vil bruke dette ofte/ eller i helger. bare det at det er cannabis kan få folk til å bare må ha det for status/effekt.

Jeg tror det ville blitt mer negativ effekt enn positiv effekt av planten, derfor stiller jeg meg veldig kritisk til å ville ha denne planten lovlig.

 

Jeg er egentlig veldig nøytral angående denne saken, og selv om mennesker selv bør kunne kontrollere sitt konsum av cannabis så tror jeg det vil bli misbrukt.

 

Tror det er bedre at planten fortsetter å bli ulovlig, enn å ta konsekvenser om den blir lovlig. Det kunne gått an å hatt den lovlig men man må ha resept på å bruke den slik at den ikke blir solgt til hvem som helst.

 

Dette er kun mine meninger så ikke flame meg

[Kaymeerah]

Jeg er uenig. Grunnen for at ungdommer prøver andre rusmidler enn alkohol kan være enten status eller nysgjerrighet.

 

Om det er status som skylder bruk, så vil det i stor grad stoppes å røyke cannabis for å rekke status fordi cannabis har blitt legalisert. Om noen er nysgjerrig så røyker de den uansett.

[DMN]

Her har vi noen tilfeller som viser effekten av war on drugs i statene, majoriteten av tilfellene omhandler marijuana. Trenger du kilder kan du bare google navnet til disse menneskene som ikke eksisterer lenger.

 

Det er snakk om langt flere tilfeller hvor lignende ting har skjedd, denne listen inneholder for det meste ulykker. Skulle listen involvert mexico i tillegg ville jeg nok trengt et par hundre sider av tråden.

 

John Adams

64 years old

Lebanon, Tennessee

October, 2000

Shot to death during a SWAT drug raid while watching TV. The house didn’t match the description on the warrant.

 

Rev. Jonathan Ayers

28 years old

Toccoa, Georgia

September, 2009

After meeting with a parishioner who was under surveillance by drug cops, the pastor went to a Convenience store ATM. Coming out, he was confronted by men waving guns. He didn’t know they were undercover cops, and was shot to death while driving off, fearing for his life.

 

Xavier Bennett

8 years old

Atlanta, Georgia

November, 1991

Xavier was accidentally shot to death by officers in a pre-dawn drug raid during a gunfight with one of Xavier’s relatives.

 

Delbert Bonnar

57 years old

Belpre, Ohio

October, 1998

Shot 8 times by police in drug raid. They were looking for his son.

 

Veronica Bowers

35 years old

Charity Bowers

 

7 months old

In the air over Peru

April, 2001

As part of a long-standing arrangement to stop drug shipments, U.S. government tracking provided the information for the Peruvian Air Force to mistakenly shoot down a Cessna plane carrying missionaries. Killed in the incident were Roni Bowers, a missionary with the Association of Baptists for World Evangelism, and her daughter, Charity. In 2008, a new report surfaced indicating widespread problems with the shoot-down program that had been withheld from Congress by the CIA.

 

Rudolfo “Rudy” Cardenas

43 years old

San Jose, California

February, 2004

Rudy was a father of five who was passing by a house targeted by narcotics officers attempting to serve a parole violation warrant and the police mistakenly thought he was the one they were there to arrest. They chased Cardenas, and he fled, apparently afraid of them (they were not uniformed). Cardenas was shot multiple times in the back.

Dorothy Duckett, 78, told the Mercury News she looked out her fifth-floor window after hearing one gunshot and saw Cardenas pleading for his life. “I watched him running with his hands in the air. He kept saying, ‘Don’t shoot. Don’t shoot,’” Duckett said. “He had absolutely nothing in his hands.”

 

 

Jose Colon

20 years old

Suffolk, New York

April, 2002

Jose was outside the house where he had come to repay a $20 debt, when a drug raid on the house commenced. He was shot in the head by SWAT.

 

Troy Davis

25 years old

North Richland Hills, Texas

December, 1999

During a no-knock raid to find some marijuana plants he was growing, he was shot to death in his living room. There are disputed accounts regarding whether he had a gun.

 

Anthony Andrew Diotaiuto

23 years old

Sunrise, Florida

August, 2005

Anthony worked two jobs to help pay for the house he lived in with his mother. He had permit for a concealed weapon because of the areas he traveled through for his night job. Sunrise police claimed that he had sold some marijuana, and because they knew he had a legal gun, decided to use SWAT. Neighbors claim that the police did not identify themselves. Police first claimed that Anthony pointed his gun at them, and later changed their story. Regardless, Anthony was dead with 10 bullets in him, and the police found 2 ounces of marijuana. Article.

 

Annie Rae Dixon

84 years old

Tyler, Texas

January, 1993

Bedridden with pneumonia during a drug raid. Officer kicked open her bedroom door and accidentally shot her.

 

Patrick Dorismond

26 years old

New York, New York

March, 2000

Patrick was a security guard who wanted to become a policeman. He was off-duty and unarmed when he went out with friends. Standing on the street looking for a taxi, he was approached by undercover police who asked to buy some marijuana from him. Patrick was offended by the request (he didn’t use drugs), and a scuffle ensued. Dorismond was then shot to death by the police.

 

Shirley Dorsey

56 years old

Placerville, California

April, 1991

Rather than being compelled to testify against her 70-year-old boyfriend (Byron Stamate) for cultivating the medicinal cannabis she depended upon to help control her crippling back pain, Shirley Dorsey committed suicide. She saw it as the only way to prevent the forfeiture of their home and property. Despite her suicide, Stamate was sentenced to 9 months prison, and his home, cottage, and $177,000 life savings were seized.

 

Juan Mendoza Fernandez

60 years old

Dallas, Texas

September, 2000

Police found a variety of drugs when they raided the Fernandez’ home. However, Juan apparently believed he was the victim of burglars during the raid, and was shot while trying to protect his 11-year-old granddaughter. He and his wife had been married 36 years and had four children and 13 grandchildren.

 

Curt Ferryman

24 years old

Jacksonville, Florida

August, 2000

Undercover agents were attempting to arrest Ferryman, who was in his car and unarmed. A DEA agent knocked on the car window with his gun to get the suspect’s attention, and the gun went off, killing him as he sat in the car.

 

Derek Hale

25 years old

Wilmington, Delaware

November, 2006

A retired Marine Sergeant who served two tours in Iraq, was peacefully sitting on the front stoop of a house, when police in unmarked cars who had him under surveillance (believing based on his acquaintances that he might be part of a narcotics ring) pulled up and tasered him three times, causing him to go into convulsions and throw up. Because he had not gotten his hand free from his jacket quickly enough (while convulsing) an officer then shot him point blank in the chest with three .40 caliber rounds. Hale’s widow has filed a civil lawsuit.

 

Willie Heard

46 years old

Osawatomie, Kansas

February, 1999

SWAT conducted a no-knock drug raid, complete with flash-bang grenades. Heard was shot to death in front of his wife and 16-year-old daughter who had cried for help. Fearing home invasion, he was holding an empty rifle. The raid was at the wrong house.

 

Clayton Helriggle

23 years old

Eaton, Ohio

September, 2002

Clayton was shot to death while coming down the stairs during a suprise raid. He was carrying either a gun or a plastic cup, depending on the report. Less than an ounce of marijuana was found.

 

Esequiel Hernandez

18 years old

Redford, Texas

May, 1997

Hernandez was shot and killed by a Marine sniper in camouflage who was part of a military unit conducting drug interdiction activities near the Mexican border. Esequiel was out herding his family’s goats and had taken a break to shoot at some tin cans with his antique rifle.

 

John Hirko

21 years old

Pennsylvania

1997

An unarmed man with no prior offenses was shot to death in his house by a squad of masked police. In a no-knock raid, they tossed a smoke grenade in through a window, setting the house on fire. Hirko, suspected of dealing small amounts of marijuana and cocaine, was found face down on his stairway, shot in the back while fleeing the burning building. When the fire was finally put out, officers found some marijuana seeds in an unsinged plastic bag. The Town of Bethlehem settled the resulting lawsuit for $7 million+ and an agreement to reform police department procedures and training.

 

Lynette Gayle Jackson

29 years old

Riverdale, Georgia

September, 2000

Shot to death in her bed by SWAT team.

 

Kathyrn Johnston

88 years old

Atlanta, Georgia

November, 2006

Kathryn lived in a rough neighborhood and a relative gave her a gun for protection. When she noticed men breaking through her security bars into her house she fired a shot into the ceiling. They were narcotics officers and fired 39 shots back, killing her. The police had falsified information in order to obtain a no-knock search warrant based on incorrect information from a dealer they had framed. After killing Johnson and realizing that she was completely innocent, they planted some marijuana in the basement. Eventually their stories fell apart federal and state investigations learned the truth. Additional facts have come to light that this was not an isolated incident in the Atlanta police department.

 

Officer Ron Jones

29 years old

Prentiss, Mississippi

December, 2001

Officer Jones was in the process of serving a drug warrant, based on an informant tip. While trying to enter the rear of a duplex, he broke into the wrong apartment and was shot by the resident, Corey Maye, who had no prior record and was protecting his daughter. No drugs were found. Maye was charged with capital murder, and sentenced to death.

Corey Maye was a Drug War Victim waiting to happen. Fortunately, his death sentence was eventually overturned and he is now serving life in prison.

 

 

Tony Martinez

19 years old

De Valle, Texas

December, 20001

Officers conducted a drug raid on a mobile home in De Valle. Martinez, who was not the target of the raid, was asleep on the couch when the raid commenced. Hearing the front door smashed open, he sat up, and was shot to death in the chest.

 

Peter McWilliams

50 years old

Laurel Canyon, California

June, 2000

 

Peter was a world-famous author and an advocate of medical marijuana, not only because he believed in it in principle, but because it was keeping him alive (he had AIDS and non-Hodgkins lymphoma). After California passed a law legalizing medical marijuana, Peter helped finance the efforts of Todd McCormick to cultivate marijuana for distribution to those who needed it for medical reasons. Federal agents got wind of his involvement, and Peter was a target for his advocacy. He was arrested, and in federal court was prevented from mentioning his medical condition or California’s law. While he was on bail awaiting sentencing, the prosecutors threatened to take away his mother’s house (used for bail) if he failed a drug test, so he stopped using the marijuana which controlled his nausea from the medications and allowed him to keep them down. He was found dead on the bathroom floor, choked to death on his own vomit.

 

Ismael Mena

45 years old

Denver, Colorado

September, 1999

Mena was killed when police barged into his house looking for drugs. They had the wrong address.

 

Pedro Oregon Navarro

22 years old

Houston, Texas

July, 1998

Following up on a tip from a drug suspect, 6 officers crowded into a hallway outside Navarro’s bedroom. When the door opened, one officer shouted that he had a gun. Navarro’s gun was never fired, but officers fired 30 rounds, with 12 of them hitting Pedro. No drugs were found.

 

Cheryl Noel

44 years old

Dunkalk, Maryland

January, 2005

Substitute Sunday School Teacher Cheryl Noel possessed a registered handgun, which she kept in her bedroom (9 years earlier, Cheryl has lost her 16-year-old stepdaughter in a shooting murder). On January 19, just before 5 am, police burst into her home using flash-bang grenade and battering ram looking for drugs. Both Cheryl and her husband were asleep in the master bedroom. Suddenly awake and fearing an armed intrusion, Cheryl grabbed her gun. Police kicked in the bedroom door and shot her 3 times.

 

Mario Paz

65 years old

Compton, California

August, 1999

Mario was shot twice in the back in his bedroom during a SWAT raid looking for marijuana. No drugs were found.

 

Charmene Pickering

27 years old

Brooklyn, New York

July, 2001

Charmene was a passenger in a car driven by a drug suspect. State troopers and DEA agents were in the process of arresting the driver when the trooper’s gun went off and hit Charmene in the neck, killing her. Both passenger and driver were unarmed.

 

Manuel Ramirez

Stockton, California

January, 1993

At 2 am, police smashed down the door and rushed into the home of Manuel Ramirez, a retired golf course groundskeeper. Ramirez awoke, grabbed a pistol and shot and killed officer Arthur Parga before other officers killed him. Police were raiding the house based on a tip that drugs were on the premises, but they found no drugs.

 

Officer Arthur P. Parga

32 years old

Stockton, California

January, 1993

 

Deputy Keith Ruiz

36 years old

Travis County, Texas

February, 2001

Ruiz was a husband and father who was a veteran of numerous SWAT raids. In the process of serving a drug warrant, he was trying to break down the door to a mobile home occupied by painter Edwin Delamora, his wife, and two young children. Confused by the raid at night, Delamora yelled to his wife that they were being robbed and shot through the door, killing Ruiz.

 

Donald P. Scott

61 years old

Malibu, California

October, 1992

Government agencies were interested in the property of this reclusive millionaire. A warrant was issued based on concocted “evidence” of supposed marijuana plantings, and a major raid was conducted with a 32-man assault team. Scott was shot to death in front of his wife. No drugs were found.

A later official report found: “It is the District Attorney’s opinion that the Los Angeles County Sheriffs Department was motivated, at least in part, by a desire to seize and forfeit the ranch for the government. Based in part upon the possibility of forfeiture, Spencer obtained a search warrant that was not supported by probable cause. This search warrant became Donald Scott’s death warrant.”

 

 

Alberto Sepulveda

11 years old

Modesto, California

September, 2000

Alberto was killed by a shotgun blast to the back while following police orders and lying face down on the floor during a SWAT raid. He was a seventh-grader at Prescott Senior Elementary School.

 

Isaac Singletary

80 years old

Jacksonville, Florida

January, 2007

Isaac lived in a rough neighborhood and often brought out his gun to chase off drug dealers. So when he saw a couple of low-lifes conducting transactions on his lawn, he came out with it again and told them to get off his property. Except they were undercover narcotics officers so they shot him. Isaac managed to get a shot or two off in response, but the officers were able to finish him off.

 

Gary Shepherd

45 years old

Broadhead, Kentucky

August, 1993

When a Kentucky drug task force came to uproot his marijuana plants in August 1993, pot-grower and Vietnam vet Gary Shepherd told them, “You will have to kill me first,” took out his rifle and sat down on his front porch. That evening he was shot dead in front of his infant son. Despite the fact that Shepherd never fired a shot and his family was pleading with authorities for negotiations, state police sharpshooters appeared from the brush without warning and opened fire when he refused to drop his rifle.

 

Alberta Spruill

57 years old

Harlem, New York

May, 2003

Police, acting on a tip, forced their way into Spruill’s home, setting off flash grenades. She suffered a heart attack and died. It was the wrong address.

 

Ashley Villareal

14 years old

San Antonio, Texas

February, 2003

Ashley went outside at night with a family friend to move their freshly washed car under shelter. DEA agents, interested in her father, were staking out the house, and believing that her father was driving, shot and killed Ashley. The agents did not have a warrant for her father. Read The Murder of Ashley.

 

 

Kenneth B. Walker

39 years old

Columbus, Georgia

December, 2003

Walker and three companions were pulled over in an SUV by police in a drug investigation. No drugs or weapons were found, but Walker was shot in the head. Walker was a devoted husband and father, a respected member of his church, and a 15-year middle-management employee of Blue Cross and Blue Shield.

Deputy David Glisson, who killed Walker, was fired three months later for failing to cooperate in an investigation into the shooting.

 

 

Accelyne Williams

75 years old

Boston, Massachusetts

March, 1994

Accelyne was a retired Methodist Minister and substance abuse counselor. After an informant gave police a bad address, a SWAT raid was conducted on the minster’s home. The door was battered down, Williams was tackled to the floor and his hands tied behind his back. He died of a heart attack.

 

Tarika Wilson

26 years old

Lima, Ohio

January, 2008

Tarika was a single mother of six. Lima police executed a SWAT raid with guns drawn to arrest her boyfriend on small-time drug dealing charges. Officer Joseph Chavalia was upstairs when the sound of the other officers shooting Wilson’s dogs downstairs startled him. He shot and killed Tarika, who was unarmed, on her knees, holding her 14-month-old son and complying with orders to get down on the floor (her son was shot twice but survived). Chavalia was cleared of any wrong-doing.

 

Payton & Chase

 

Berwyn Heights, Maryland

July, 2008

Many, many dogs have been slaughtered in drug raids — Payton and Chase are the most famous. Prince George County SWAT, intercepting a package of marijuana addressed to Mayor Cheye Calvo’s wife Trinity, and knowing that criminals were addressing packages to innocents and intercepting them, nonetheless burst into the Mayor’s home without even enough investigation to know he was the Mayor or even notifying local police, shot the two dogs (Chase was running away from them when they killed him), and kept the Mayor and his mother-in-law handcuffed on the floor for hours in their dogs’ blood.

Endret 2. september 2011 av DMN

[Gavekort]

@gavekort

anbefaler at du følger emd i tråden for da skjønner du godt at det går ikke ann å sammenligne alkohol miljet med cannabis miljøet.

det er 2 langt forskjellgie ting og ligger langt langt fra hverandre på statistikken.

alkoholen er 10x farligere enn cannabis

Det dør nesten 2 millioner mennesker hvert eneste år globalt av alkohol, så 2 millioner ganger farligere enn cannabis er vel et mer korrekt tall.

 

 

Svarer til begge to.

 

Jeg er fullstendig klar over skadevirkningene til både alkohol og Cannabis, så jeg trenger ikke å høre nok en gang at ingen har dødd av Cannabis.

 

Jeg er ikke for LEGALISERING, men jeg er for avkriminalisering. Grunnen til dette er fordi vi ikke trenger enda mer dritt på markedet bare fordi dere to skal få lov til å bli stein. Det er ingen tvil om at dere gir blanke blaffen i miljøvern og hemp-industri når alt dere vil gjøre er å kunne røyke det for rekreasjon, for jeg er ikke så naiv.

 

Grunnen til at jeg ikke vil legalisere er fordi Cannabis skaper udugelige mennesker som ikke vil ha kontroll på substansen. Det vil med andre ord skape en ny klasse med "narkomane", og vil fortsatt bli utstøtt og diskriminert av arbeidslivet. Jeg vet om mennesker selv som ødelegger livet sitt til et så "uskadelig" rusmiddel som Cannabis. Ikke fordi de ødelegger kroppen sin, men fordi de blir giddeløse og psykisk avhengige.

 

Cannabis er medisin, og skal forbli medisin. Røyker du Cannabis så skal du ikke i fengsel, du skal på terapi.

[Kammizez]

Hvorfor mener du nytelse av alkohol skal være mer godtatt enn nytelse av cannabis?

[Gavekort]

Hvorfor mener du nytelse av alkohol skal være mer godtatt enn nytelse av cannabis?

 

Om samme fornuften skal svare her, så vil jeg si at alkohol burde være ulovlig på samme måte som Cannabis. Men det er dessverre ikke mulig da alkohol allerede er et godt etablert problem.

 

Trenger vi flere problemer?

[Kammizez]

Vel, min filosofi fungerer slik at du kan gjøre akkurat hva du vil med din egen kropp, så lenge det ikke påvirker andre på en negativ måte.

For min del ser jeg ikke at en cannabis-bruker påvirker andre på en negativ måte.

 

Hvilke problemer mener du alkohol skaper?

[Kaymeerah]

Helgefyllen er jo ett problem. Alkoholikere som foreldre er ett annet problem, da det ofte blir voldelig.

[Kammizez]

Helgefyllen er jo ett problem. Alkoholikere som foreldre er ett annet problem, da det ofte blir voldelig.

Her går det igjen på misbruk av alkohol. Det er disse som trenger hjelp. Alle brukere av alkohol burde ikke trenge hjelp. Som jeg tolker Gavekort mener om Cannabis.

[Kaymeerah]

Jo, det er jeg enig i. Samfunnsproblemer her blir jo da at misbrukere ikke er lett å få tak i, selv om arbeidsløshet er lettere å få øye på enn voldelige hjem.

[Gavekort]

Vel, min filosofi fungerer slik at du kan gjøre akkurat hva du vil med din egen kropp, så lenge det ikke påvirker andre på en negativ måte.

For min del ser jeg ikke at en cannabis-bruker påvirker andre på en negativ måte.

 

Hvilke problemer mener du alkohol skaper?

 

 

Cannabis slik som all annen røyking skaper helseproblemer, slik som lungesykdommer. Cannabis inneholder store mengder tjære, og er derfor helseskadelig om det inntas med røyking.

 

En person med helseproblemer blir ofte en økonomisk belastning på samfunnet. Det samme gjelder gidde-løse døgenikter som sitter arbeidsløse og røyker dop, og ikke fortell meg at de ikke finnes.

 

Helgefyllen er jo ett problem. Alkoholikere som foreldre er ett annet problem, da det ofte blir voldelig.

 

 

Alkohol er et problem. Men spør deg selv om foreldre som er stein 24/7 istedet for full 24/7 er bedre.

 

Hvorfor ikke heller avskaffe alkohol, istedet for å slite med å subsidiere det. Jeg har ingen tro på at Cannabis kommer til å subsidiere alkohol, eller erstatte alkohol. Igjen se på Portugal og Nederland.

[Kaymeerah]

Å forby enda ett rusmiddel ender jo bare opp med en clusterfuck av black markets. Svartemarked er også ett problem for samfunnet, det at staten må sløse vekk penger på fengsel for folk som selger alkohol og cannabis er også en stor belastning for samfunnet.

 

EDIT:

 

Det belaster også politiet når de bruker ressursene helt feil som det er i dag.

Endret 2. september 2011 av Kaymeerah

[Gavekort]

Derfor skal vi avkriminalisere, ikke legalisere. Var det så vanskelig?

[jajamensen]

JA. Hvor lang tid skal det ta før politikerne finner ut at det er ufarlig med en bønne i ny og ned?

[Gavekort]

Du burde heller spørre deg hvor lang tid det tar før du ser hvordan dette vil påvirke samfunnet. Alt handler ikke om kreft eller ikke.

[Kammizez]

Derfor skal vi avkriminalisere, ikke legalisere. Var det så vanskelig?

Kan du forklare litt grundigere når det gjelder avkriminalisering? Hva vil da skje med en cannabis-bruker?

[Gavekort]

Derfor skal vi avkriminalisere, ikke legalisere. Var det så vanskelig?

Kan du forklare litt grundigere når det gjelder avkriminalisering? Hva vil da skje med en cannabis-bruker?

 

Det som vil skje er at vi ikke kaster dem i fengsel, men tilbyr hjelp og sosial omsorg. Jeg vil ikke skape et marked for Cannabis, der man kan få tak i rusmiddelet uten en resept fra lege.

 

Da slipper vi å dumpe et nytt rusmiddel inn i kjære Norge, og vi slipper å fylle fengslene våres med narkomane.

Endret 2. september 2011 av Gavekort