Vanilla WoW - Diskusjon

[John Keats]

Om blizzard hadde åpnet en ny server med Patch 1.12, hvor TBC og nye talents, nye raser og alt det der aldri hadde blitt inkludert. Hvor mange hadde startet der og hvorfor?

 

Kom over en tråd på wow-europe hvor dette blir forslått.. Bare lurer på hvor stor interesse dette ville hatt blant dere her på forumet.

 

Tråd: http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?t...282398658&sid=1

 

Jeg ville i allefall slengt meg å lasset med en gang om dette ble åpnet, liker ikke hva TBC hadde med seg.. Ingenting er som pickup onyxia, DPS-tanke MC. zerge-ZG..

Synd all denne moroa er borte imo.

[øl_i_tastaturet]

Da hadde man kanskje sluppet alle idiotene også. Virker som en god idè. Tviler på at jeg ville startet der dog.

[Halvt horn ost skinka piffi varmt]

Jeg savner selvsagt de gode gamle dager med AQ40 og Naxx. Selv hadde jeg ikke giddet å spille på en slik server, og dessuten tviler jeg sterkt på at Blizzard ønsker å bruke tid og penger på å lage og opprettholde "gamle" servere.

 

Vi jo masse nytt innhold å se fram til nå

[John Keats]

Har to meget gode poster fra tråden jeg linket til som jeg anbefaler å lese. Mange gode argumenter der:

 

 

 

1)

 

 

 

Ok, lets get right down to it and discuss this.

 

The issue for me is not whether this realm exsists or not, believe it or not. It is, for me, the total lack of respect and lack of acknowledgement from fellow players and the 'community' to not only hear our thoughts but to treat them with the time and due respect they deserve. I have not once sat here in posts previous to this and slated TBC at all. Never come out with any bad words to say about the game as a hole or picked apart the new content to make myself feel better. I am also fully aware of how to conduct myself on these forums, as I have no desire to turn this into a WTFCOPTERTOMATO flame fest and get this thread deleted/locked.

 

Just listen...... while I speak.

 

The judgement being thrown around like cheap confetti is simply astounding to see for those who played these instances prior to TBC and in all intensive purposes used them to progress. You have no right as players to judge the minority that still want to do this in no way. You have Outlands, you have new content, you have whatever your heart desires now and you are very happy with it. My hat is off and my glass is raised, believe you me.

 

The people who are making these comments/suggestions for this new realm have already bought the expansion prior to setting these threads up therefore Blizzard has had our money from us already. They can get no more so its not about that. We have played the expansion, get that right. No-one posting here is a nub, lamer, sucky or whatever spin is put on it. They may be talented, you don't know that but we are all quick to judge as we all know best....

 

Those who do not agree with this thread need not post here. This is clearly not your territory and therefore you are not needed here. While I understand about freedom of speech and non-censorship of thought I also believe that there has to be an element of respect towards the people making these thoughts known to the people who they are intended at.... Blizzard.

 

It is not that we can not embrace the new game, it is simply a choice and damn it.... I have a choice. How dare you generalise claming the feeling is 'worthless' and that we would be wasting our time. It is therefore my time to waste and therefore you have no say over it or how I spend it. Feel free to lift your head up from the screen anytime and try to understand how we feel before you jump on the ever so popular Pro-TBC anything goes bandwagon which seems to trudge along with reckless abandon.

 

I read a lot of this too:

 

'Move withe times'

'You need to try a different game'

'Better items available elsewhere, why settle for less?'

 

Ok. Gonna break this down for you too in a nutshell.

 

At which point did anyone who wants this server ask for transfer? At what point did anyone mention gear? At what point did anyone mention reputation rewards, auction house items, enchants, jewels, what tennis partner the man in Shadowmoon Valley has whatever.......... No-one has asked for their character to be moved over and therefore by definition items, money, mounts mean nothing to us. They are possessions easily obtained by doing exactly what we did before, and we could do it again. Rest assure we do not seek the proverbial pat on the back for a job well done. We are looking for fun again, not recognition for what we wear or what we can make etc etc etc.

 

This realm would allow this tight knit community to work together and have fun doing what we want to do. You have what you want and before anyone claims, 'they didn't delete these instances' I am also aware of that but in my opinion they might of well of. Out of sight out of mind is only too true in life and although this is only a computer game the point still remains.

 

Many did not get to do old content, some got stuck or some HAD to give up due to those around them wanting to mindlessly grind AV for R14 items. This would give them a chance to go 'back' and do this properly, with purpose and to enjoy themselves at the same time without the pressure of HAVING to move on. The caps are intended, my keyboard is not broke. We were forced into TBC, whether you agree or not. Our options were:

 

1.) Go Outlands

2.) See above

 

I bought the expansion yes, I had a choice not to buy it. I bought it through pure curiosity and the hope that it would increase my already pretty unwavering love for the game. I felt let down... and I am sure many others did too.

 

Blizzard, if you are listening and read these forums like you say you do, please embrace our ideas, our wishes and our hopes. This is not a demand, it is a wish that some of us have and we, at the very least, deserve a response either way. If you want people to continue to leave your game, then ignore it. If you are waiting for people to leave the game before you act, may I remind you this is dangerous as you only now have competiton. Rest assue again, I am aware WoW is a success partially due a lack of any competition. We have options, choices, alternatives. I would continue your game, my game, everyones game if you made this realm. Give us a choice.... an option...... a reason not to quit on you.

 

Its easy to criticise, hell, its even fun too but if you have nothing to bring to this thread other then tedious leet speak and a load of generalised comments about how we suck then please save them for the guy on the end of the phone that might care because I do not. These are my thoughts, do not mock, scorn or try to influence them in anyway.

 

I await you Mr Blue, ball is firmly in your court and we are willing to play.

 

 

 

2)

 

 

 

I have seen so many posts like this on forums in both Europe and the US, and I heartily support the idea of the creation of a server for those seeking pre-TBC content. And I've seen a equal amount of responses from the community claiming that those asking for this need to move with the times, go for what is 'better' and so forth.

 

Firstly, 'better' is a relative term in any fasit of life whether it be reality or a computer game. The gear I've collected from Outand is technically 'better' than what I had pre-expansion, I have more AP, more health and can kill most lvl70 mobs without taking a single scratch. But the experience of playing in Outland is very different to the old instances of Azeroth. Outland feels empty in comparison, none of the antics outsde Molten Core as 6 different raid teams wait outside ready to start, none of the new guild celebrating the lofting of Nefarians head in Orgrimmar...none of the innane banter outside the AH from guys who claim to be able to make money on the street rather than in the wild.

 

*breathes slowly* ...good times

 

I'm not some uber leet rogue whose beating down the door of progression, I'm just an average rogue with gear decent before Karazhan and some nice epic reputation rewards, I got mounts, money, resources and a leatherworking inventory the length of a trip from Gromgol to the Undercity via bat, but I'd trade it all and a little more for a fresh server with no TBC.

 

A new server where the pinnacle of raiding is Naxxramas, with players we could salute for wearing items from 40-man raid instances, not from 10-man and 25-man. I've raided before, and the expansion came just as my guild was breaking into AQ40, but the race to 70 overtook them and my guild left the old Azeroth beside to seek their ambitions on a new stage and many of my old friends have gone onto greatness and I congratulate them on this success. But for me, my heart and my memories will always be in Azeroth with the green fields of Tarren Mill, the burning sands of Silithus and the molten fury of Blackrock Mountain.

 

The obvious argument is, 'the instances are still there, why not do them again?'

 

Good argument until you see that it would be very difficult to find the right number of people in the right classes willing to forgo the draw and appeal of the new TBC content to go over old ground. Try finding people that can resist the lure of Karazhan for the seemingly 'inferior' rewards of AQ40 and Naxxramas, try finding enough people who loved their time in Azeroth enough to overlook the massive upgrade in gear in Outland. Not an easy task, and I fear that my love for the game has wilted recently. I no longer play TBC and only log on periodically to chat with friends and catch up on gossip. The game as a playing experience has died, but I know that I would sacrifice everything to start again on a pre-TBC server with like-minded players whose love for the old content out-weighs their lust for the new epics and equipment.

 

Another argument is, 'those old instances would be easy at lvl70, you wouldn't need 40 for them?'

 

Why take the easy option? Why not take the real challenge and aspire to achieve it at the highest possible difficulty and why not take a full 40. The success or defeat in an instance is magnified by the number of people taking part, every new boss drop, every 1% wipe is felt as a unit...and 10 and 25 simply isn't enough.

 

No one is asking for character transfer, no one is asking for updated content, no one is asking for anything other than a pre-TBC server. The one thing we are asking for is an answer, and the silence is somewhat ominous at the moment, I see dozens of similar posts, with literally thousands of replies and yet we hear silence.

 

Please Blizzard, answer the question. Either yes or no, that way I can either get ready to re-roll or get ready to cancel my account. Give myself, and the rest of these good people the respect they deserve for the millions you receive from us on an annual basis and answer the question.

 

Yes...or no...

 

With respect to Blzzard and the community.

 

Vissage (Retired)

 

PS - Moral Decay Forever

 

 

[knux]

Tror jeg hadde slengt meg på

[fjeddiu]

Ja, med en gang. Men bare hvis venne mine hadde starta der og, kjedelig å skrøyte av å critte 2k når vennene mine critter 4k :!:

[DeadbeaT]

jeg identifiserer meg med et utrykk brukt i tråden du linker til egentlig:

 

I hate this sort of "Automobile ruin horse and cart" Sort of logic..

[Kiruk]

Om blizzard hadde åpnet en ny server med Patch 1.12, hvor TBC og nye talents, nye raser og alt det der aldri hadde blitt inkludert. Hvor mange hadde startet der og hvorfor?

 

Kom over en tråd på wow-europe hvor dette blir forslått.. Bare lurer på hvor stor interesse dette ville hatt blant dere her på forumet.

 

Tråd: http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?t...282398658&sid=1

 

Jeg ville i allefall slengt meg å lasset med en gang om dette ble åpnet, liker ikke hva TBC hadde med seg.. Ingenting er som pickup onyxia, DPS-tanke MC. zerge-ZG..

Synd all denne moroa er borte imo.

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Ja! Har for så vidt hoppa av WoW vogna og det var for det meste pga TBC. Også de nye spillerne det tok med seg.

[Tmz]

Selv er jeg veldig fornøyd med TBC, masse pvp items som faktisk er bra for pvp, idioter slipper jeg uansett da jeg kun spiller med kompiser jeg kjenner.

[racin]

Tja, nå er det jo slik at ingenting av instancene/quest er stengt i Azerroth, de er bare veldig lette som level 70

[Amon Amarth]

Tja, nå er det jo slik at ingenting av instancene/quest er stengt i Azerroth, de er bare veldig lette som level 70

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Du leste ikke innleggene eller? som var inne i "spoiler"? Poenget er jo at de vil ikke at de instancene skal være lette... de vil ha tilbake den gode følelsen det var å f.eks drepe Ragnaros for første gang, Nefarian, C'thun eller hvilken som helst annen boss i 40man raidinstancene...

[Nosferatu]

Savner tiden før MC, Ony, AQ og Naxx.. Den gangen da UBRS var det tøffeste i verden og jeg samla deler til min Lightforge. *drømmer seg bort*

 

Ja jeg hadde nok vurdert å en sånn server..

Endret 4. mai 2007 av Nosferatu

[supr]

Hadde ikke vært det samme som før uansett. Den følesen du hadde før får du nok aldri igjen. Kanskje om du spiller tbc frem til neste exp

[Bredoc]

Hadde nok holdt meg på en TBC server.

Er rett og slett lei alle gamle raid instancer etter alt for mange timer i dem.

Dessuten er jeg lei av raiding. Spiller kun med en liten gruppe kompiser om dagen.

 

Hva jeg ønsker mere av Blizzard er dedikerte servere for 18 år+.

Jeg vet at det er spillere under 18 år som kan oppføre seg også, men jeg er sikker på at dedikerte servere for oss litt eldre haddde vært utmerket.

Man blir kvitt så mye søppel da.

[Carl M]

Jeg hadde i alle fall laga en character der og sett hvor det gikk, aller helst ville jeg vel egentlig hatt en 1.6 server - foruten 1.5 som kom med battlegrounds var det etter 1.6 det begynte å gå nedover med alt.

[Phyx]

Den store forskjellen syns jeg er at TBC er mye vanskeligere en hva "old" wow var. 25 man raid instansene krever ett utrolig fokus fra alle spillere nå og ikke som i MC/BWL der folk kunne slacke litt innimellom. Så et vanilla wow er lite aktuellt syns jeg egentlig.

[Overguard]

Man blir kvitt så mye søppel da.

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Det blir de under 18 og (:

[Bredoc]

Man blir kvitt så mye søppel da.

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Det blir de under 18 og (:

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Følte du deg truffet?

Det var ikke meningen.

Liker du å spille sammen med folk som:

 

 

"Brb need to eat"

Rett før en boss i et instance, afk for 10 - 20min.

"omg my dads home he needs the computer"

player left the group

"Need 5gold plz"

Utallige drittunger som tigger

 

Raidtime 22.30.

"I need to leave my mum says i must go to bed"

 

Etter en wipe på en boss.

"omg we cant make it im leaving".

 

Etc.

 

Jeg hater det.

Den dagen du kan vise meg bevis på at spillere over 18 år gjør slikt, skal jeg være enig med deg at vi kan være en pest og plage også.

Endret 4. mai 2007 av Darkrevan

[Overguard]

Har oppført at folk over 18 kan oppføre seg meget barnslig. Jeg kjører bare instances med en gruppe venner for å unngå det du nevnte. Det jeg har opplevd er at folk over 18 har sagt at dem håper at foreldra mine dør av kreft. Men jeg skal ikke dra alle over en kam.

Endret 4. mai 2007 av JokuM

[DeadbeaT]

Hr gjort lit mer tenking, og hvis jeg skulle vært interessert i en Vanilla Wow server, så måtte det blitt før 1.3 og battlegrounds, helst før MC også. da sto alle likt og vi hadde faktisk world pvp <3