Blogger får fire års fengsel

[Dahl]

En egyptisk blogger er dømt til fire års fengsel for blogginnlegg som kritiserte islam og den egyptiske presidenten.

Les mer

[the_zombie]

Hurra for ytringsfrihet...

[Zerd]

Nå er blogging farlig det også. Av alle ting.

[Julebrus]

Damn, disse religionene kommer til å forårsake menneskehetens undergang.

 

Kardemommeloven ftw!

[genesis]

dette er en av utallige tilfeller, fra ett av utallige land, vi bør reagere på

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boycott

[Limbeck]

Og Islam skal vist bety fred. Flinke til å velge navn disse hjernevaskerene.

[Isbilen]

Det blir jo fred hvis alle gjør som de sier ..

[Limbeck]

Det blir jo fred hvis alle gjør som de sier .. 

8027775[/snapback]

 

Jeg tviler De hadde nok funnet på et eller annet

[iMono]

Hurra for ytringsfrihet...

8027431[/snapback]

Hva legger du i ordet ytringsfrihet?

[Lagn]

en privat blogg? hvor går grensen mellom hva man forteller kona si om presidenten i egypt innenfor husets vegger og å skrive dagbok og å skrive en blogg?

Endret 26. februar 2007 av megaloman

[Dahl]

en privat blogg? hvor går grensen mellom hva man forteller kona si om presidenten i egypt innenfor husets vegger og å skrive dagbok og å skrive en blogg?

8028088[/snapback]

En blogg er tilgjengelig for allmennheten, det er ikke en dagbok.

[lain]

ytringsfrihet er å kunne ytre sin personlige mening om hvem og hva som helst. Er i allefall så enkelt i mine øyne, selv om det er nok av folk som prøver å sette grenser på dette, og sensuere både nettet og annen media.

 

Uansett, 4 år er latterlig.

[Dahl]

ytringsfrihet er å kunne ytre sin personlige mening om hvem og hva som helst. Er i allefall så enkelt i mine øyne, selv om det er nok av folk som prøver å sette grenser på dette, og sensuere både nettet og annen media.

8028097[/snapback]

I følge din definisjon har vi ikke ytringsfrihet i Norge. Husk at det er ulovlig å komme med ærekrenkelser, trusler, diskriminering på bakgrunn av rase, religion eller overbevisning, osv.

[G]

Artikkel om de Egyptiske bloggerene

(Tekstinnhold limt inn i de skjulte delene av innlegget nedenfor, i tilfelle de originale artiklene skulle forsvinne)

Klikk for å se/fjerne innholdet nedenfor

Egypt bloggers fear state curbs

By Heba Saleh

BBC News, Cairo

 

 

Soliman is the first blogger to be jailed for publishing his views online

 

A court in the port city of Alexandria has sentenced a young Egyptian blogger to four years' jail for contempt of religion, insulting the president and spreading false information.

Abdel Kareem Nabil Soliman, 22, is the first Egyptian blogger to stand trial for views expressed on the internet.

 

The case against him was based on a complaint from al-Azhar University, where he studied law until he was expelled last year because of his critical writings about religion.

 

Mr Nabil had declared himself a secularist who does not fast during Ramadan and he criticised al-Azhar, the most prestigious institution of religious learning in the Sunni Muslim world.

 

He accused it of spreading radical ideas and suppressing freedom of thought.

 

Campaign

 

Mr Soliman's arrest in November provoked an outcry from the blogging community inside Egypt and internationally.

 

I've been subjected to harassment. I get unpleasant phone calls and threats. Officials have tried to destroy my reputation during their interviews on satellite television

 

Blogger Wael Abbas,

A "Free Kareem" campaign - using his blogging name Kareem Amer - was launched and human rights groups say he is a prisoner of conscience, held only for his opinions.

 

Many activists now consider that the outcome of Mr Soliman's trial is an indication of the shape of things to come for Egypt's small but increasingly outspoken online community.

 

In this country of 80 million people, there are some 6,000 active bloggers.

 

Only a tiny fraction of them deal with political and human rights issues.

 

But in the last two years, these bloggers have had an impact on the political debate which far surpasses their number.

 

Alarm

 

Last November, Egyptian bloggers posted on the internet chilling footage showing an Egyptian bus driver screaming as he being sodomised with a stick in a police station.

 

The images led to the arrest of two officers who are now standing trial.

 

Blogs broke the harassment story which has scandalised Egyptians (Picture: misrdigital.com)

 

"I think the bloggers here have pushed at the limits of freedom of expression in a way that has alarmed the authorities," said Wael Abbas, whose website Misr Digital features several films of torture in police stations.

 

He and a fellow blogger broke a story last year about the sexual harassment of women on the streets of downtown Cairo by hordes of young men during a national holiday.

 

The interior ministry denied the incident happened. But the descriptions by the two bloggers who had been on the scene were picked up by the domestic and international press.

 

New platform

 

The story shocked Egyptians and earned Mr Abbas public criticism from security officials.

 

"I've been subjected to harassment. I get unpleasant phone calls and threats. Officials have tried to destroy my reputation during their interviews on satellite television." Blogger Wael Abbas,

 

"There have also been smear campaigns against me on the internet accusing me of being an atheist and of having renounced Islam."

 

Egyptian blogs also provide platforms for internet users to discuss political, social and religious issues freely.

 

The ability to contribute anonymously is valued in a country where many people are afraid to express political dissent and where there is strong pressure to conform to social and religious norms.

 

Bloggers also play an important role in Egypt's small pro-democracy movement. They advertise in advance the times and venues of political protests, and then post pictures and accounts of how the police dealt with the demonstrations.

 

Micro-activists

 

During elections in 2005, bloggers invited members of the public to report instances of fraud.

 

 

The Kareem campaign blog is linked to by hundreds of other bloggers

"We've had a large impact in terms of political activism," said Alaa Abdel Fattah, a blogger who was detained last year for two months after his arrest at a demonstration.

 

"We've introduced the idea of micro-activism, which means that people don't have to dedicate their life to protest, but can choose what they want to take part in."

 

Last year, the international group Reporters without Borders added Egypt to its "enemies of the internet", a list of 13 countries which censor what their people can see online and harass those who publish views considered unacceptable by the state.

 

Egypt was added because of the arrest of bloggers during pro-democracy demonstrations. All were subsequently released.

 

Another reason cited by Reporters without Borders was police pressure on a Christian blogger from southern Egypt who eventually had to shut down her website.

 

The group says it is uneasy about a court ruling which gave the Egyptian government the right to shut down any internet site deemed a threat to national security.

 

"This could open the way to extensive online censorship," said Reporters Without Borders.

 

 

Enda en artikkel fra en annen kilde om saken

 

Klikk for å se/fjerne innholdet nedenfor

Egyptian blogger sentenced to prison

2/22/2007, 6:26 a.m. ET

By NADIA ABOU EL-MAGD

The Associated Press

 

ALEXANDRIA, Egypt (AP) — An Egyptian blogger was convicted of insulting Islam and President Hosni Mubarak and sentenced to four years in prison on Thursday in Egypt's first prosecution of a blogger.

 

Abdel Kareem Nabil, a 22-year-old former student at Egypt's Al-Azhar University, an Islamic institution, had pleaded innocent to all charges, and human rights groups had called for his release.

 

Nabil, who used the blogger name Kareem Amer, had sharply criticized Al-Azhar on his Web log, calling it "the university of terrorism" and accusing it of suppressing free thought. He also often criticized Mubarak's regime on the blog.

 

In one post, he said Al-Azhar University "stuffs its students' brains and turns them into human beasts ... teaching them that there is not place for differences in this life."

 

He was a vocal critic of conservative Muslims and in other posts described Mubarak's regime as a "symbol of dictatorship."

 

The university threw him out last year and pressed prosecutors to put him on trial.

 

The judge issued the verdict in a brief, five-minute session in a court in the Mediterranean city of Alexandria. He sentenced Nabil to three years in prison for insulting Islam and inciting sedition and another year for insulting Mubarak. Nabil had faced a possible maximum sentence of up to nine years in prison.

 

Nabil, wearing a gray T-shirt and sitting in the defendants pen, gave no reaction and his face remained still as the verdict was read. He was immediately taken from the pen and put in a prison truck and did not comment to reporters.

 

Egypt arrested a number of bloggers last year, most of them for connections to Egypt's pro-democracy reform movement. Nabil was arrested in November, and while other bloggers were freed, Nabil was put on trial — a sign of the sensitivity of his writings on religion.

 

Hafiz Abou Saada, head of the Egyptian Human Rights Organization, described the verdict as "very tough"

 

"This is a strong message to all bloggers who are put under strong surveillance that the punishment will very strong," he told the Associated Press.

 

Two U.S. congressmen also expressed deep concern about the arrest of Nabil — who also goes by the blogger name of Kareem Amer — and called for the charges to be dropped.

 

"The Egyptian government's arrest of Mr. Amer simply for displeasure over writings on the personal Web log raises serious concern about the level of respect for freedoms in Egypt," Reps. Trent Franks, R-Ariz., and Barney Frank, D-Mass., wrote to U.S. Ambassador Nabil Fahmy.

 

The Bush administration has not commented on Nabil's trial, despite its past criticism of the arrests of Egyptian rights activists.

 

 

Det kunne vært interessant å lese utskrift fra bloggen hans, for å se litt nærmere i hvilke ordelag han har uttalt seg. Vi blir kanskje nødt å stole på menneskerettighetsgruppene, og god kildehåndtering fra media sin side?

[lain]

hvem sa noe om trusler? en mening blir ikke det samme som å si at jeg skal ta livet av deg med en gaffel når du minst venter det.

 

Men ja, det at det finnes lover mot ærekrenkelser og diskriminering har jeg forståelse for, og siden en stor del av verdens befolkning ikke eier selvbeherskelse, er det noe som trengs, desverre.

[G]

ytringsfrihet er å kunne ytre sin personlige mening om hvem og hva som helst. Er i allefall så enkelt i mine øyne, selv om det er nok av folk som prøver å sette grenser på dette, og sensuere både nettet og annen media.

8028097[/snapback]

I følge din definisjon har vi ikke ytringsfrihet i Norge. Husk at det er ulovlig å komme med ærekrenkelser, trusler, diskriminering på bakgrunn av rase, religion eller overbevisning, osv.

8028113[/snapback]

Du har sannsynligvis rett i at vi har en begrenset ytringsfrihet Dahl. Syntes denne setningen var nokså beskrivende for dette med ytringsfriheten:

 

The ability to contribute anonymously is valued in a country where many people are afraid to express political dissent and where there is strong pressure to conform to social and religious norms.

(lenke i quote'n)

[G]

Utdrag fra artiklene jeg viste til ovenfor.

Nabil, wearing a gray T-shirt and sitting in the defendants pen, gave no reaction and his face remained still as the verdict was read. He was immediately taken from the pen and put in a prison truck and did not comment to reporters.

 

Tortur og overgrep av tjenestemenn

Last November, Egyptian bloggers posted on the internet chilling footage showing an Egyptian bus driver screaming as he being sodomised with a stick in a police station.

 

The images led to the arrest of two officers who are now standing trial.

 

Kanskje ikke så hyggelig å sitte fire år i Egyptisk fengsel.

Endret 26. februar 2007 av G

[O.J]

Bra å se at Islam fortsatt er en fakkel for demokrati og ytringsfrihet.

[Equerm]

Skaff meg det han skrev så skal jeg legge det ut på min egen blogg

[Hårek]

Islam må være en ekstremt svakt fundert religion. De hengivne er jo livredde for ennhver form for kritikk. Og det er visstnok dødsstraff for å melde seg ut.

All religion er jo bare et grunnlag for å utøve makt.