PS3 Blu Ray vs Xbox 360 HD-DVD vs DVD

[lektroluv]

Det er vel ingen som veit når de senker prisene, men blir nok ikke så lenge til?

 

Vel, hvis Blu-ray blir enerådende på markedet, så ser jeg ikke noen lys fremtid for prisene. Er jo HD DVD som alltid har presset prisene og Blu-ray prisene har sunket pga det (hovedsakling avspillerne).

 

Stod i siste Komputer for alle at BD+ var knekt. Mulig dette er dårlige kilder.

 

Det er mulig å lage en ISO av plata og spille den av med litt triksing, men man kan ikke rippe plata og lage ei .avi fil e.l.

 

HD-DVD= 15g

Blu-ray=25g

 

HD DVD har utviklet en 3lags 51GB plate, så plassen er like stor (den største Blu-ray plata er 50gb).

 

1. BD filmene er billigere enn HD DVD filmene og HD DVD spillerne er billigere enn BD spillerene.

 

Det er feil. Platene koster like mye. Det er HD DVD/DVD combo platene som koster mer (av åpenlyse grunner).

 

2. Det med BD+ inkompatiblitet er tull. BD+ har vært en del av standarden siden dag 1 og det har ikke vært noen oppdateringer på den. Inkompatibliteten var på javasiden, og de to filmene det var snakk om (JA 2 STK) var ikke skikkelig testet før de ble gitt ut. Derfor fungerte de ikke på enkelte førstegenerasjons spillere som måtte oppdateres på firmware. BD+ hadde ingenting med saken og gjøre.

 

Ja, det er riktig. Er jeg som husket feil.

Men det gjør det ikke noe bedre fordet. Folk må oppgradere (de) spillerne uansett.

[lektroluv]

He admitted that Sony's inclusion of Blu-ray in the PlayStation 3 has helped that format, but said Microsoft's add-on HD DVD drive alone has outsold all standalone Blu-ray players combined.

 

Moreover, Penello noted that any customer who purchased the HD DVD drive for the Xbox 360 was doing so solely to watch movies, while only a comparatively small number of PS3 owners have been purchasing Blu-ray films.

 

While Warner Bros. decision to drop HD DVD and speculation that Paramount would follow suit clearly hindered the format, Penello said that Microsoft would remain committed. "Until Toshiba goes out of business, this war is not over," he stated.

 

"Consumers are choosing HD DVD, but Hollywood isn't listening. While HD DVD has been trying to sell the format to consumers, Sony has focused on selling the Blu-ray brand and company." That strategy has proven very successful when it comes to dealing the movie studios and led to a perception of dominance in the marketplace.

 

Kilde

[lektroluv]

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Fears of a deteriorating U.S. economy and falling DVD industry sales helped drive Warner Bros's decision to back Sony's Blu-ray next generation DVD format exclusively, a top executive told Reuters on Monday.

 

 

Les hele..

[kilik]

Forstår det slik at de vil ha slutt på HD-krigen så fort som mulig da det har gjør at forvirrede forbrukerne bare sitter på gjerdet og kjøper verken DVD-film eller HD-film.

[lektroluv]

At CES on Monday, I was invited over to the Blu-ray booth to speak with top executives at the major Hollywood studios supporting Blu-ray. And while I didn't have the chance to speak with every studio, I did get to speak with the president and chief operating officer at LionsGate, Steve Beeks.

 

And while Beeks seemed like he had solid command over the finer points of the movie industry, I was interested to see why his studio chose Blu-ray over the alternative.

 

Expecting the canned answer like, "Well, we thought it was the superior format and I'm happy to say that we were right," you could imagine my surprise when the very first reason he gave was Blu-ray's piracy controls.

 

For those of you who don't know, Blu-ray's piracy controls--largely based on AACS, BD+, and BD-ROM Mark--are easily the most stringent format to date and have only partially been circumvented to this point.

 

Regardless, I was utterly appalled at the thought that with all of its benefits--high-capacity, interesting new features to employ while playing movies, major industry backing--Beeks chose piracy as the first talking point.

 

Of course, I had to find out more.

 

Immediately after finishing his spiel about Blu-ray, I asked Beeks a simple question, "With all of these piracy concerns (as you mention), how do you stop looking like the bully when you go after some kid making a few copies in his house instead of the overseas cartels in gunships?"

After a significant amount of skirting the issue, Beeks told me (correctly) that there's no way to stop piracy and the best way to combat it is to offer more features and give people a reason to buy the official version.

 

And yet, if that's true, why should the studio even care about which format has the more stringent piracy controls? After all, if you know how to fight piracy and you think you're doing a good job at it, why waste your time paying more for a format when you can have the same sort of features on the other and pay less to manufacture discs?

 

Of course, LionsGate isn't the only company that should be beaten up in this column. The entire motion picture industry is rife with a bunch of executives who have no idea what the average 18- to 35-year-old person wants when they buy a disc, and to make matters worse, they think they do.

 

I have said it once and I will say it again: the music and movie industries have become relics of the old school and are unwilling to adapt to the times. DRM is not only hurting each studio's bottom line, it's damaging their ability to look like the good guy in an environment where pirates look like they are.

 

If nothing else, I learned that the movie industry is run by a subset of individuals who are totally insulated from the real world. If not already proven by the MPAA, look no further than to those poor people who thought they owned something, only to find out later they were being sued for a ridiculous amount of cash for their "crime."

 

If you ask me, it's time the executives at all these movie studios stop wasting our time with banalities and wake up to realize that the real pirates are out there kicking their teeth in. For once, stop going after the guy who makes a few copies in his room and find the head of an international piracy cartel to stop pirating.

 

Until that happens, look for even more critics, and even worse publicity.

 

 

Den virkelige grunnen til at studioene velger Blu-ray

[Uderzo]

Den virkelige grunnen til at studioene velger Blu-ray

Dette har jeg sagt hele tiden. Og nå fikk jeg det bekreftet.

Det er helt utrolig at forbrukerne tydeligvis har valgt det mest forbrukerfiendtlige formatet.

[lektroluv]

Blu-ray may have taken a commanding lead in the next-generation format war, but the group has a big problem looming: early supporters of the format will be left out in the cold when the Blu-ray Disc Association introduces BD Profile 2.0

 

Unlike HD DVD, which mandated features such as local storage, a second video and audio decoder for picture-in-picture, and a network connection from the very beginning, the companies behind Blu-ray took a different approach. Initial hardware players lacked these capabilities in order to keep costs down.

 

Sier litt om hvor dyrt Blu-ray egentlig er...

 

In order to allay confusion, the BDA has adopted special labels that will be placed on Blu-ray movies. Those with a "Bonus View" sticker will require Profile 1.1 players, while those with "BD Live" will require Profile 2.0.

 

In addition, the BD-J interactivity layer, based on Java, has continued to evolve since the introduction of Blu-ray Profile 1.0. This means that early players may have a buggy implementation and perhaps more importantly, they are not powerful enough to play the latest films properly.

 

When BetaNews asked developers of BD Live whether they were concerned about a backlash from early adopters who supported the format from the beginning, we were told: "They knew what they were getting into."

 

Tragikomisk.

 

 

Still, the confusion will only likely further alienate existing and potential customers of the nascent format. One key Blu-ray developer told BetaNews that although he builds discs for studios including Fox and Lionsgate, he did not buy a Blu-ray player for personal use.

 

When BetaNews asked why these manufacturers rushed out players that were not fully capable and potentially buggy due to their BD-J implementation, the Blu-ray partner pointed blame across the room to HD DVD. "We should have waited another year to introduce Blu-ray to the public, but the format war changed the situation," he said. HD DVD was already coming and the BDA had no choice but to launch Blu-ray.

 

Sier egentlig alt om hvor uferdig Blu-ray egentlig er. De sier jo selv at det er et rush'et produkt.

Tragisk.

 

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[Anders81]

Den virkelige grunnen til at studioene velger Blu-ray

Dette har jeg sagt hele tiden. Og nå fikk jeg det bekreftet.

Det er helt utrolig at forbrukerne tydeligvis har valgt det mest forbrukerfiendtlige formatet.

Det jeg syns er mest utrolig med det hele, er hvor mange nordmenn som flyr rundt og nærmest "feirer" hver gang Blu-Ray stjeler markedsandeler, som om det skulle ha vært et fotballag. En ting er amerikanere, men nordmenn!?

Blu-Ray er jo delvis laget nettopp for å hindre blant annet nordmenn i å få de nyeste filmene samtidig som USA og Asia, deres sonesystem er en forverring fra de eksisterende problemene med DVD-soner, ettersom soneinndelingen gjøres fysisk i spilleren, ikke mykt slikt DVD-kodingen foregår.

HD-DVD har ikke noe sonesystem, noe som ville gjort filmer raskere tilgjengelig og billigere for oss her på berget.

[Gjest Slettet-XHLacM]

I og med at jeg fikk PS3 til jul er det naturlig hvem jeg "heier på". HD-DVD-spillere er så billige at det kan jeg kjøpe utenom hvis det skal bli nødvendig (noe jeg ikke mener det er akkurat nå).

[Ni kon]

Blir nok et solid prisfall på HD DVD nå fremover....

 

Dagbladet i dag avisutgaven erklærte HD DVD for død.

[lektroluv]

Blir nok et solid prisfall på HD DVD nå fremover....

 

Toshiba sin HD-A3 gikk ned fra $147 til $139, mens Sony sin BDP-S300 gikk opp fra $299 til $399.

Deilig å tenke på at det er kundene som vinner på dette!

[kilik]

De har også kuttet 1080p-kapable HD-A30 til $199.99, i overkant av 1000 kroner. Tilbudet med 5 gratisfilmer er også utvidet.

 

Jeg tror det bare vil ha en kortsiktig virkning på salget, men vi får se. Som oivind_dahle nevner har media nærmest erklært HD DVD død allerede.

Endret 14. januar 2008 av kilik

[lektroluv]

PIttsburgh Post-Gazette columnist Don Lindich reports a dirty bit about Warner's defection to Blu-ray that we had uncovered in our own reporting of the format war at CES, and which we had confirmed through a different source (except for the payouts), though were holding close to our chest while we worked some other angles. Warner actually wanted to go HD DVD. They gave Toshiba the chance to bring another studio into the HD DVD camp before they turned Blu. Fox was lined up, and told the HD DVD camp it was going to switch to HD DVD, which would've also turned Warner exclusively HD DVD. At the last possible minute, it nixed the deal.

 

Lindich says it's because Fox received a reported $120 million payout from Sony to stay Blu-ray—Warner then switched and received between $400 and $500 million for its defection. BW says it's closer to $400 million. In our phone call with Warner Kevin Tsujihara said it wasn't a bidding war that brought them over—that's true, in the words of Ben Kenobi, from a certain point of view.

 

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[kilik]

Ja, $500 million er ikke småtteri. Viser viljen Sony har til å vinne dette racet.

[Knebel]

Tja.. Warner sa i fjor da ryktene begynte om overgang at de ønsket å vurdere hvordan BD mediet solgte versus HD DVD i en periode før de tok noen avgjørelse om eksklusivitet. Om det er det de har vurdert er det ikke rart at de har gått over til BD siden. Men om det er dette alene eller om det også er andre insentiver involvert vil man nok aldri få klarhet i. Det blir kun spekulasjoner.

[Gjest Slettet-XHLacM]

Blir nok et solid prisfall på HD DVD nå fremover....

Hvis HD-DVD-spillere kommer så langt ned som 500,- i Norge, kommer jeg til å kjøpe.

[kilik]

Xbox 360 HD DVD-en settes ned fra $179.99 (ca. 1000 kr.) til $129.99 (ca. 700 kr): http://kotaku.com/353257/xbox-360-hd-dvd-price-plummets

 

I tillegg får man med 5 gratisfilmer. En ny satsning fra MS eller et siste panisk forsøk på å redde formatet?...

[Ni kon]

MS gir nok faen i HD formatet

 

De fikk nok rikelig med peng for å kjøre støtte for det på Xbox. Men snart ser vi nok støtte for Blu-Ray der også. De har jo ikke engang giddi å putte spillern i selve boxen, men må fremstå som en ekstern box... Heia...

[kewell79]

Elkjøp og Lefdal selger nå Transformers HD DVD til 99 kr

[Dr.Peedee]

MS gir nok faen i HD formatet

 

De fikk nok rikelig med peng for å kjøre støtte for det på Xbox. Men snart ser vi nok støtte for Blu-Ray der også. De har jo ikke engang giddi å putte spillern i selve boxen, men må fremstå som en ekstern box... Heia...

 

Med tanke på hva et HD drev kostet, og ikke minst hvor få som var laget, da Xbox 360 gikk i produksjon så handlet det nok om å ikke gidde, men om å tenke litt på hva forbrukerne ville gidde å betale for det. Jeg tror ikke 360'n hadde blitt så poplulær i prisleiet 7-8000 kroner eller tilsvarende dollar.

Endret 7. februar 2008 av Dr.Peedee