Ye Olde Pub (The English Pub)

[jjkoggan]

The objective evidence is the interesting part, such that their conclusions can be scrutinised. Since it is not an exact science, all the more important is transparency.

 

You might find this interesting objective evidence.

 

http://business.illinois.edu/Shavitt/pdf%20files/H%20and%20V.pdf

 

http://www.cepr.org/meets/wkcn/2/2393/papers/Nyberg.pdf

Endret 4. oktober 2011 av jjkoggan

[Nguyen]

Snow is great! :tease:You can ski and it looksmuch beatufull than the summer does.

Also the temperature is bettr you can always decide to become hottr with a fireplace or hotter clotches but in the summer you can't get colder.

A portable fan works wonders. Especially if it's not humid out.

[jjkoggan]

Snow is great! :tease:You can ski and it looksmuch beatufull than the summer does.

Also the temperature is bettr you can always decide to become hottr with a fireplace or hotter clotches but in the summer you can't get colder.

A portable fan works wonders. Especially if it's not humid out.

 

 

Any of you norwegians going to watch the greatest event in baseball, the World Series? Hate to throw you a curve ball, but many of you seem obsessed about many things american, so just asking. I know many norwegian exchange students who fell in love with the sport much like I fell in love with football after watching LSK at Åråsen. I also fell in love with something else I had never done (langrenn), even though I grew up in a colder climate than what I experienced in Norway.

[Slimda]

Isn't it a bit silly named, the world series, when only the states participate?

[TheSoapmaker]

I want tacoooo

[Nguyen]

I want tacoooo

I don't get it.

 

Isn't it a bit silly named, the world series, when only the states participate?

At least it's not called the Universal series. :!: Endret 20. oktober 2011 av Nguyen

[jjkoggan]

Isn't it a bit silly named, the world series, when only the states participate?

I didnt think Norwegians thought Canada was a state. The Toronto blue jays are in MLB as was the Montreal expos. Also keeping with the Norwegian tradition of retaining ethnicity in perpetuity, players are from around the entire world and there are many non us citizens from Asia , central and south America.

 

That said, the original intent was a true world championship but it just did not catch on fast enough outside USA. Even so the budget of the new York Yankees is bigger than almost all European football clubs, even though it doesn't have the global appeal

[jjkoggan]

Isn't it a bit silly named, the world series, when only the states participate?

I didnt think Norwegians thought Canada was a state. The Toronto blue jays are in MLB as was the Montreal expos. Also keeping with the Norwegian tradition of retaining ethnicity in perpetuity, players are from around the entire world and there are many non us citizens from Asia , central and south America.

 

That said, the original intent was a true world championship but it just did not catch on fast enough outside USA. Even so the budget of the new York Yankees is bigger than almost all European football clubs, even though it doesn't have the global appeal

[Slimda]

Oh, so Canada is participating too? I didn't know that. But yeah, two countries aren't exactly "the world". It's like "Mr." and "Miss Universe". We haven't seen the other beings, so how can we say it's the best in the universe? What if the Asari from Mass Effect existed? Or the Twi'lek from Star Wars? Or perhaps some Na'vi?

 

I dislike wrong tags and names.

[Nguyen]

Why not call it the North American Series (as North America is often used to refer to the US+Canada).

[jjkoggan]

Oh, so Canada is participating too? I didn't know that. But yeah, two countries aren't exactly "the world". It's like "Mr." and "Miss Universe". We haven't seen the other beings, so how can we say it's the best in the universe? What if the Asari from Mass Effect existed? Or the Twi'lek from Star Wars? Or perhaps some Na'vi?

 

I dislike wrong tags and names.

 

 

There are 2 commercials for the same beer, but one in scandinavia, the other in the USA. Tell me which one is typically scandinavian and which one is USA ad copy:

 

 

Probably the best beer in town!

 

The best beer with the biggest taste!

[Nguyen]

USA ad copy = the biggest taste? Amirite?

[jjkoggan]

USA ad copy = the biggest taste? Amirite?

Please explain the reasoning behind your answer

[Anarkhos]

That theory says that it is not a trait ingrained in the culture, it is rather a reflex reaction to past history. In Norwegian, the word 'union' can make people think of the union with e.g. Denmark, which means relationship between countries where one country controls pretty much everything, and the other one nothing (the union with Sweden that followed was somewhat milder, IIRC). The European Union suddenly sounds like a more scary concept with this background.

 

Collective experience is what shapes culture. If past experience creates a "reflex reaction" to being dominated by others then the reaction becomes ingrained into the culture. Much of today's culture in Europe was shaped by two world wars. All cultures evolve in this way.

 

I am just saying that I read this as a superficial trait that does not have much to do with the day-to-day buisness of the ordinary person. That this "other" would have to be a country or bigger.

 

 

On the countryside, there were people who owned land, and people who had to rent their land from the landowners. The people who owned land were the wealthy and mighty people on the countryside.

 

In the cities, there were also wealthy and influential people; and poor people and people who had next to nothing to say.

 

In short, if the Norwegian society today is an egalitarian one, then that is a modern thing. Throughout history, Norwegian society has not been egalitarian, far from it.

 

Relative to many of your european brethren, Norway was not dominated by powerful aristocracies, and was more decentralized, therefore more egalitarian (in relative terms).

 

But this is not compatible with the Jante Law, which singles out Norway/Scandinavia as somewhere special.

 

It would imply that in Norway, the Jante Law reads 'you should not rate yourself higher than the landowners/powerful people of the cities'; and in England likewise, just insert the right terms. In the contemporary U.S., the Jante Law would read 'you should not rate yourself higher than Bill Gates/the president' etc.

 

Any country would have its own Jante Law, and the entire concept would thus become pretty meaningless - it's just an unnecessarily awkward way of talking about human social interaction in societies. It should instead read 'find your place'.

 

 

The objective evidence is the interesting part, such that their conclusions can be scrutinised. Since it is not an exact science, all the more important is transparency.

 

You might find this interesting objective evidence.

 

http://business.illinois.edu/Shavitt/pdf%20files/H%20and%20V.pdf

 

http://www.cepr.org/meets/wkcn/2/2393/papers/Nyberg.pdf

 

I might look into them one day; it's quite a bit of text. One problem is that they appear to concern Sweden and Denmark rather than Norway, which means that the advantage of firsthand experience pretty much disappears.

 

The Scandinavian countries might lie close to one another on the world map; but they do nonetheless have distinct cultures.

 

 

USA ad copy = the biggest taste? Amirite?

Please explain the reasoning behind your answer

 

It is "commonly" said that everything has to be big in the U.S. I guess that is what he means.

Endret 23. oktober 2011 av Anarkhos

[Nguyen]

Yes, exactly.

[Gavekort]

What is exactly the point of this thread? Is it like forumkafeen, but we can only write in English?

[jjkoggan]

Yes, exactly.

So you think the more modest statement is Scandinavian and the boastful statement more American?

 

If so, does this reflect a perceived reluctance in Scandinavian society to claim you are the biggest and best that is not as present in the USA ?

 

This is what Knut hamsun thought when he visited and criticized noisy, uncultured, boastful USA.

[Slimda]

It may be connected to the fact that we in Norway, consider ourselves "small" in the global sense, as we're nearly 5 million, as opposed to the United States which is roughly 63 times that size. And the US has always been "the big brother" of europe, watching over us and lending support.

[Getingar]

Nobody cares about jante law in these days. Now we must boast to streghnten the nationalism and so that the people will be ready for war on multiculturalism.

[Slimda]

Most Norwegians aren't quick to boast about their own skill-levels, but we're usually quite quick about boasting about Norwegians and Norway. We're quite fond of our little piece of land and culture, one might say.