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[Smågal]

Du mener Torres spilte bra ifjor?

 

Når han var skadefri var han god, 18mål på 22 kamper i PL understreker det.

 

 

Mener du Gerrard gjorde en superjobb ifjor også?

Gerrard var ikke like god i fjor som han kan være, men likevel en av våre bedre sett over hele sesongen, scora lite mål ifht til tidligere sesonger.

Endret 25. november 2010 av Smågal

[guttorm]

Gerrard fortjente det ikke!Reina derimot. Torres kan diskuteres, men han var dødelig effektiv når han først spilte. Personelig ser jeg en spiller som spilte jevnt godt over hele sessongen som en som fortjener å vinne.

[JR Ewing]

Agger ferdig i Liverpool?

Sporten.dk hevder at Hodgson har lekket informasjon om at han vil kvitte seg med Agger til noen utvalgte engelske journalister, og at Liverpool-manageren nå benytter pressen bevisst til å spre dette budskapet.

 

Det danske nettstedet hevder at dette blir gjort fordi Hogdson ikke ønsker å bli sitert på at han ønsker Agger vekk, samtidig som han ønsker å nå ut til fansen og mulige kjøpere med dette budskapet.

Hvis dette stemmer.. Herregud. Konge å presse klubbens beste midtstopper ut.

[Smågal]

Leser på .no at Roy er desperat etter å bli kvitt Agger. Sa for lenge siden jeg trodde Agger blir solgt i Januar...

 

JR: Smurf! Du skylder meg en Cola

Endret 26. november 2010 av Smågal

[guttorm]

Har igrunnen ligget i kortene spør du meg, jeg er ikke sjokka. Se forøvrig narko ryktene i spillertråden.

Og Agger kan være så god som han bare vil, han spiller jo nesten aldri og har vert mer eller mindre permanent ute.

Endret 26. november 2010 av guttorm

[JR Ewing]

JR: Smurf! Du skylder meg en Cola

Knegg.

 

Kommer ikke som noe stor bombe nei. Greit, han har vært mye skadet. Men har ikke fått all verdens sjangser når han har vært klar heller.

[Hewitt]

Hvis det stemmer: Tragisk dersom det ikke ligger andre grunner bak enn sportslige, ettersom Agger er vår beste stopper i form og til tross for skader får han altfor få sjanser. Og enda mer tragisk er det i så fall å bruke media isteden for å selv ta seg av budskapet, helst på bakrommet.

[Cappo]

Synd om de kvitter seg med Agger. Er jo egentlig den beste stopperen vi har. Men han er desverre mye skadet.

Dette til tross, så virker det faktisk nesten som det er de offensive egenskapene til Agger som Roy merkelig nok har mest problemer med.

Jeg håper jeg tar feil og at det kun er skadehistorikken som taler Agger i mot og at vi til sommeren i såfall kjøper en nye stopper med samme kvaliteter som Agger, men med bedre skadehistorikk om vi selger Agger.

 

Toget har vel desverre gått for Babel i Liverpool, så sikkert greit å få solgt han.

 

Jovanvic har nok ingen fremtid i Liverpool.

 

Ellers er det en del skrot på reservelaget vi burde kvittet oss med og gjort plass for nye talenter i stedet.

[Smågal]

Bare limer inn et innlegg fra RAWK om Agger jeg, verdt å lese.

 

 

 

"munit haec et altera vincit"

 

No, I’m not big on Latin either. The translation: “this one defends and the other one conquers”, I thought it was strangely apt given that Daniel Agger finally – touch wood throughout – appears to be on his way back. The title is a tip of the hat to a man that has a Latin motto of his own tattooed on his body – ”Mors Certa, Hora Incerta”. Death is certain, its hour is uncertain.

 

Almost as certain as death and taxes is that when Agger next strides imperially out of defence with the ball at his feet it will be to conquer, and no one has done that with purpose or conviction in a red shirt for what seems like a very long time.

 

It’s almost easy to forget Daniel Agger. It was around this time two years ago, heading in to the first game of the Champions League season that he suffered a metatarsal that would keep him out the remainder of the season and signal the beginning of two years of various injuries and other struggles. Before then it was all coming so easy. The effortless nature with which he played the game and the way he grew in stature over the 12 months prior to become one of the best centreback’s in Europe. The last game Agger played before the metatarsal injury was a 6-0 victory at home to Derby, where he was heavily involved in the second goal with the kind of defence splitting pass associated more with playmakers than central defenders. He left the pitch having just marshaled the backline in a Liverpool team that had gone top of the league.

 

The task facing the return Agger is to get back to where he was – on the cusp of greatness. This time it has to be the real return to form, not one off-set by contract disputes and niggling injuries (the route cause of which has now hopefully been solved).

 

Daniel Agger is a rare breed of footballer, one of the few remaining libero. He puts pay to the notion that “defenders defend” and little more. In the post-Alonso era where every square pass is scrutinised and dissected with relish by the punditocracy who are now desperate to point out the numerous strengths of the Basque that they conveniently ignored in the five years prior, Agger’s ability to play from the back will be of huge benefit to this current Liverpool team, still (understandably) coming to terms with the loss of a key player for half a decade. Agger’s ability to play the ball quickly and incisively is the sort of quality plenty feel Liverpool have lacked without Alonso this season, and the Dane’s ability to step forward from defence and take a shot from distance is a quality that was lacking even with Alonso in the team.

 

There’s been such a paucity of genuine ball playing centrehalves over the last few years that people in this country have come to convince themselves that players like Rio Ferdinand (an incredible defender) are the heir's apparent to the likes of Franz Beckenbauer and Franco Baresi. Ferdinand is a fine defender, and with the ball at his feet he’s capable of stepping forward into midfield and finding a team mate. That’s as far his ability on the ball goes however, as shown in Rome by Barcelona when he failed to start even a single attack from the back as United struggled to impose themselves on the game.

 

There’s a difference between being comfortable on the ball and a threat on the ball. Most modern day centrebacks are the former; Agger is one of the rare exceptions who are the latter. When he’s in full flow not many teams know how to deal with him. It can start with something as innocuous as a drop of the shoulder in his own half, as soon as the strikers bought it the opposition have a problem, do they come out to meet him and put pressure on the ball, fully aware that he’s more than capable of finding the red shirt they’ll have left in space? Do they hope he drags his shot from distance wide? All too often by the time they’ve made up their minds Agger is lining one up from 30 yards, or is playing the extra man on the left wing. The player from deep is incredibly difficult to pick up but most of the time it’s full backs who attack from there. Centrebacks step forward but most are just a nuisance not a threat. Not Daniel Agger.

 

In a summer for Liverpool where the key reasoning behind both the main signings has been to aid in breaking down obdurate, unadventurous teams whose sole intention is on leaving Anfield with a point, Agger’s qualities are not to be sniffed at. Most teams would settle for a midfielder who can play a defence splitting pass or rifle one in from 30 yards, but to have a defender who can do that is a huge bonus. Glen Johnson’s tireless raids down the right flank and in behind the defences have helped to stretch teams and scare them with genuine pace and momentum on the flanks. Aquilani, if all goes well, will provide movement and quality. He’ll drag markers out of position and lay the ball off to a red shirt before they can even get close to him. Agger’s own strengths will aid in breaking down teams just as much.

 

It’s probably worth remembering, whilst discussing his strengths as an attacking force, that he is actually a defender first and foremost. His defensive prowess was often overlooked because we as a nation seem untrusting of a player’s ability to be well rounded. If you’re good in attack it obviously stands to reason that you must lack in defence, right? Wrong. His introduction to the team in 2006-07 coincided with plenty of clean sheets at the back. Agger’s defending is just as effortless and elegant as his ability on the ball. There are no sliding tackles, no shorts caked in mud at the end of each game. Just like in attack he reads the situation quicker than everyone else and usually has enough pace to cover and enough strength to shield the ball from any attacker putting him under pressure. He is a deceptively accomplished defender. His marshalling of Dropba during the return leg of the Champions League Semi-Final in his first season was exemplary. Every other centreback in Europe must have been praying for him to travel the continent holding seminars discussing how it was done, or at the very least write a “Dummies guide to”. It’s not that he simply dominated Dropba, it was that he did so at a time where Dropba was at the peak of his powers, obliterating all that stood before him. Defenders have taken care of the sulking Dropba that’s returning from injury – indeed Martin Skrtel did a fine job the season after in the first leg of the semi-final – but when Dropba’s up for it he’s difficult to tame (as Skrtel found out in the 2nd leg where he injured himself with a last ditch tackle trying to stop Dropba from putting Chelsea into an early lead). More impressive than the comprehensive handling of the Cheat was that he did so a week after being taken to the cleaners by him in what was probably the worst game he’d played in a red shirt. Like many others before him that season Agger was bullied. A rag doll to Dropba’s bull he was battered and pulled about Stamford Bridge just trying to keep up. A week later he was the matador and he kept Dropba’s horns as his trophy.

 

That perhaps best sums up his character. After the first leg of the Chelsea game Benitez and Carragher both spoke off the record telling journalists that Agger would not be made a fool of twice, that his strength of character would shine through and he would be hungrier, stronger and better prepared when the chance came to redeem himself a week later. He did. Daniel Agger is not a character easily phased. If the Chelsea game showed what his reaction would be to defeat and a poor performance praying on his mind then his performance at home to Wigan last season was perhaps a microcosm of a similar incident. At fault for the first goal when he dwelt on the ball he could easily have gone into his shell and declined to take responsibility next time the ball was played to him. He did not. Within the same half of football he strode forward, composed as ever, put Lee Cattermole on his *** with the kind of played you'd expect of a class winger before picking out Dirk Kuyt in the box. Redemption complete before people had even realised he’d done something wrong.

 

That’s Daniel Agger. He’s shown that he’s not one to dwell on the set backs, just to learn from them, add more knowledge to his incredible natural ability and kick on again becoming a better player. That’s what he’ll have to do with the past couple of years. He’s a hungry player naturally and he’ll soon have the chance to put a horrible period behind him and kick his game on a level, just like he did that night when he shackled Dropba and looked all set to be the best in the world for the foreseeable future.

 

Whoever plays alongside him can be the one who defends. When Agger returns it’ll be to conquer.

 

[Varmo]

Hvis det om Agger stemmer, er det katastrofe. Å bli kvitt vår beste stopper for enhver pris, muligens lån? Er så latterlig at jeg ikke kan sette ord på det, HVIS det stemmer.

 

Agger har vært mye skadet ja, men han er klasse når han er i form, og spiller. Skaden han har nå er forresten veldig sjelden og uheldig slikt jeg har skjønt det, han ble skadefri og spilte i en landskamp, men fikk et spark i leggen og det dannet seg forkalkning, noe som er veldig sjelden og ikke har noe å gjøre med at han er "kjeks" slik jeg har forstått.

 

Påstand: Det eneste Roy Hogdson har oppnådd som Liverpoolmanager er å drepe alt av forventninger og positivitet rund laget. I et av hans tidlige intervjuer sa han at han synes det var for mange som hadde for høye forventninger. Hvis så var tilfellet har han ihvertfall klart å nærmest utrydde disse, bare å se i diverse forum og kamptråder rundt om.

[guttorm]

Jeg kommer alltid til å ha en rynke i panna når jeg tenker på Roy, bare det at han kvittet seg med Dalle Valle er grunn nok.

[Varmo]

Enig, håpløst å kvitte seg med et av våre beste talenter bare for å få inn noe som viser seg å være en aldrende katastrofe på VB blir for dumt. Særlig når man ser det i ettertid. Generelt synd at unge spillere må ofres i det hele tatt, uansett hvem det er til fordel for.

[guttorm]

Jepp helt enig der. Forsåvidt sant at jeg ivertfall ser VB suger i ettertid, men vi reagerte alle på at Valle måtte gå, så jeg synes ikke vi er etterpå kloke der(kansje ikke det du mente heller)

 

Liverbirds show i stavanger i helga, og jeg er på jobb. Ragnhild med boka, Tore fra .no og GG fra England, typisk..... Kjente lykkerusen i kroppen etter jeg kom hjem fra Liverpool, selv om jeg var aldri så sliten. Det er rene medikamentet! Herlig følelse etter en svært variabel høst sommer, Chelsea seieren gav en snev av 08/09 følelsen.

[Varmo]

Var ikke meningen å si at noen var etterpåkloke nei. De fleste her inne var så vidt jeg kan huske enige om at det var dumt at Dalla Valle måtte gå. Mente bare å påpeke at det generelt er kjedelig å måtte gi slipp på talenter på den måten, samtidig som at man i ettertid ser at det er enda kjipere når en ser hva vi sitter igjen med.

[PocoLoco]

Hadde en våt drøm om et framtidig Kjær/Agger partnerskap i Liverpools forsvarsfirer, men nå blir det vel Skrtel og Gudene vet hva Uncle Roy henter inn!

[Gjest Slettet-D7I5Gr2]

Faen, City netta.

 

e: men Stoke utlignet på overtid.

 

COme on Liverpool, win tomorow!

Endret 27. november 2010 av Slettet-D7I5Gr2

[Hyperio]

10. plass. Ja, ja, det er vel ca. der vi havner etter 38 kamper. Jeg sier det igjen, nyt EL i år.

 

Hver jævla gang i år at vi har hatt muligheten til å snuse oss inn blandt de de 4-5 øverste har vi feilet. Man blir bare lei og oppgitt.

[GLN]

Vi klarer ikke å holde på en ledelse! Det er helt tragisk.

 

Vi har ikke en benk som kan snu kampen, og allikevel vil Roy kvitte seg med den ene unggutten etter den andre. Snart sliter vi med å stille med 16 mann til kamp!

[perpetrus382]

Latterlig.no

 

Noe drastisk MÅ skje nå snart, hvis ikker er Gerrard, Torres og Reina fortapt og da er vi heldige hvis vi beholder plassen i PL.

[Latias]

FA-cupen 3. runde:

Manchester United - Liverpool

 

Bring it on, boys!