Question for Oivind Dahle

[jie^]

Hello. I like your reviews on the LCD-monitors, and how you perceive what ghosting is. I have however some problems know which reviewers test to go after. I may be getting a 20" lcd sooner or later. I find the Eizo L885 and Nec 2080+ very interesting. I consider myself a gamer, although not hardcore. Mostly i do webdev stuff, surfing and videowatching.

 

While doing some research on these monitors i found this Eizo L885 test on tom's hardware guide:

 

http://graphics.tomshardware.com/display/2..._panels-06.html

 

The test says its a very bad lcd for gaming, which contradicts what your test is saying.

Can it be that the tester has his own vision what ghosting is, or are they just high on crack?

 

I need a monitor that, while moving around in fast games (like Joint Operations) one can see other players good enough to know who they are. I choose Joint Ops as example because its not the fastest game, but there aren't any special colors that separate players from each side...(in UT2K4 there is Red Vs Blue). If a LCD is sharp enough to separate good vs bad guys when moving around in Joint Ops, then the LCD is for me!

 

Anyone else with L885 / 2080+ experience who can say anything about this? Plz do so in norwegian if you prefer that.

[lavizh]

Hi,

 

Don't take those tests at THG that seriously, they are known to be somewhat of a pro-this pro-that. I'd read thru those Oivind tests and see for yourself what you wan't, and if your lucky find a store that has these LCD's in and try them for yourself rather than just buying them after what Oivind says. Things might turn out somewhat differently you know, you might not end up liking the same stuff Oivind does

 

Edit : typos.

Endret 5. juli 2004 av lavizh

[DeeTee]

Almost no 20" LCD screens are _great_ for gaming. The Eizo L885 has some ghosting that will annoy a person who plays games often. The 2080UX+ has far less ghosting and is considered to be the better of the two for gaming, but lacks some color/brightness that the Eizo is better on displaying correctly. All in all the L885 might be a better choice for working with graphics, but if you do play alot of games you wont go wrong with the 2080UX+.

Endret 5. juli 2004 av DeeTee

[Ni kon]

For gaming the best 20" monitor is the NEC 2080 ux+

 

This uses a S-IPS panel, that is extremly fast. The Viewsonic VP201S also use the exact same panel (made by LG)

 

However there might me a slightly differenceses on this panel. But the main difference i the prossesing unit in the monior.

 

NEC provides better colours tha Viewsonic

 

 

The Eizo L885 is a great monitor for grafical use, as it has a better picture than NEC. However this monitor is based on a VA panel (sharps) and doesnt do very good in fast games.

 

 

However a test og the NEC 2080 ux+ is comming this week, and i can tell u that all of the monior test people at hw, all went for NEC 2080 ux+

[px]

I'd probably not lend so much weight to the reviews at THG, especially the monitor reviews. They tend to have their own ideas about things that aren't based on facts... Go for the L885. A (filthy rich) friend of mine has it, and after seeing it in action, I'm saving up to buy it too... Excellent monitor...

 

Edit: fjernet kverrulering...

Endret 5. juli 2004 av petter;

[DeeTee]

Om du ikke har lyst til å hjelpe noen engelsk-talende folk, så er det jo bare å holde seg vekk fra innlegget og ikke skrive noe. Alltid hyggelig å kunne svare folk, selv om de ikke er fra Norge.

[lavizh]

Om du ikke har lyst til å hjelpe noen engelsk-talende folk, så er det jo bare å holde seg vekk fra innlegget og ikke skrive noe. Alltid hyggelig å kunne svare folk, selv om de ikke er fra Norge.

Well said

[px]

Om du ikke har lyst til å hjelpe noen engelsk-talende folk, så er det jo bare å holde seg vekk fra innlegget og ikke skrive noe. Alltid hyggelig å kunne svare folk, selv om de ikke er fra Norge.

Well said

Greit, jeg er bare født kverulant... Og jeg hjalp jo fyren og...

[enden]

My advice would be to check out both monitors.

 

2080UX+ is the better gamer monitor, but if you are serious about webdev and graphics L885 will be a far better choice. I've owned both - currently 2080UX+ is my favourite, but i miss L885's colordepth and details.

 

I didn't find L885 to be all that bad in FPS-gaming. The ghosting was easy to spot, but I really had no problems playing games like RTCW Enemy Territory (a game situation similar to the one you described)

 

 

Guys: normal curticy is to answer an english question in english, and to stay on topic.

Endret 5. juli 2004 av enden

[Uxzuigal]

Nice to see some English speaking people joining up on our forum too:)

 

I dont really trust or give too much weight to the THG Tests, they are sometimes "Pro this , Pro that" kinda guys, but i can tell you, Oiving Dahle is the real deal, he got me on track buying FlexScan L550 LCD, its a perfect monitor for gameing, however its only 17" (wich equals 19" CTR monitor).

 

I sugest you check can on the NEC 2080 ux+ test later on

[jie^]

Thanks all for for your inputs , it really helped, 2080+ is my current #1 choise. It's either that or i wait for whats coming up later in the year... right now you always have to sacrifice something, be it colors, quality or ghosting. The fact is that i still love my 6 year old 19" mitsubishi diamontron NF. So i could survive a while if i had too.

 

I read something about LG-philips working on a new technology that would allow 8 ms gray to gray....

[enden]

Gray to gray? If the panel gets ISO 13406-2 sertified it sounds nice. But remember that ms is only one factor when i comes to ghosting. To illustate this take a look at two monitors with the same LG-panel, but different processors:

2080UX+ and ViewSonic VP201S.

On the ViewSonic monitor ghosting appears much stronger.

 

Du you have a link to the LG-Philips story?

 

 

By the way, I'm sending the 2080UX+ review to the editor now, so it should get published today or tomorrow

[balleklorin]

I don't know what people have against Toms Hardware, but I know those opinions are wrong at least:) Toms Harware seem pretty unbiased to me, and present their thoughts with good arguments. There are different people working at Toms Harware, and everyone has different experience and consequently opinions I guess.

 

As for which monitor to buy I'll just give you an recommodation to check several reviews on different sites to get a neutral decision.

Endret 6. juli 2004 av balleklorin

[enden]

I don't know what people have against Toms Hardware, but I know those opinions are wrong at least:) Toms Harware seem pretty unbiased to me, and present their thoughts with good arguments. There are different people working at Toms Harware, and everyone has different experience and consequently opinions I guess.

 

As for which monitor to buy I'll just give you an recommodation to check several reviews on different sites to get a neutral decision.

The problem with THG is that the quality varies alot. It's tru that they have people with different angels working in the same aections, but they don't seem to cooperate at all. Here at hardware.no at least the LCD guys meet as often as once a week, and it's rear that a review i published without at lest two members take a look at the monitor. Four of us have tested the 2080UX+

 

Now, with CPU's, harddrives, etc. it's quite different. You can produce numbers and statistics to compre different models. With monitors it's more about the feel of it. That's why we put in a lot of effort in writing a review we can all agree on here.

 

I agree with balleklorin on the need to read as many different reviews as possible before making a decision

Endret 6. juli 2004 av enden

[johncl]

Yeah I also found the Toms Hardware review a bit strange compared to Øyvinds review at Hardware.no. Surely the subjective views couldnt differ more. At first I thought that since Toms Hardware use a hardware device to actually measure the color correctness of the displays, their review must be more objective than subjective, but on a second reading I see that its not the same people who have tested the other monitors. The tester seems a bit immature from a language point of view, which again could mean that the people doing this test have messed up on the hardware measurements too.

 

Or maybe Toms Hardware got a real turkey version of the L885? After all Øyvinds review seems to indicate that is a brilliant choice.

 

I guess I need to try it out to see what the fuzz is about.

 

Good luck

[Ni kon]

Its important to choose LCD after your own needs. The l885 is a brilliant monitor for grafical use. Gamers should go for NEC 2080 ux+ Or ViewSonic vp201s

 

Howerever take a look at my LCD guide: http://www.hw.no/art.php?artikkelid=8623

 

Thsi will be soon translatet for the english readers