Hvor i himmelens navn ble det av bevegelsen for fred??

[Dikedis]

Noen ganger er gode kart den beste måten å lære om historie på. Her er et par kart av relevans for det som er sagt over om historien til Ukrania, Russland og det østlige Europa:

Dette er fra Britannica, så det er pålitelig.

 

Dette zoomer litt ut, og gir bedre oversikt over de ulike imperiene. Legg merke til situasjonen til høyre, rundt Svartehavet ...

 

Hvis noen skulle ønske å dykke dypere ned i historien til det russiske keiserriket, Krim-halvøya, området hvor vi nå har Ukrania og ottomanerne, kan jeg anbefale vedlagte studie av den svært omfattende og langvarige slavehandelen med hvite europeere, inkludert kvinner og barn, som foregikk på Krim (no pun intended) og i hele det området hvor vi nå har Ukrania, søndre del av Russland og det østlige Øst-Europa til langt inn på 1700-tallet, og som bare tok slutt fordi RUSSLAND, under flere ulike tsarer, førte en rekke frigjøringskriger mot tartarene på Krim, og mot Det ottomanske riket som den gang kontrollerte både Krim-halvøya og store deler av Balkan og Kaukasus. 

Noen sitater:

The slave trade was a cornerstone of the Crimea’s economy in the Early Modern period—and a decrease in prices of the slaves also signified a worsening of a general economic situation in the country. Thousands of slaves—a number too large for the needs of the Crimea’s inhabitants—had been annually sold on the slave markets of the Ottoman Crimea and Crimean Khanate. The amount of slaves sold in Caffa was so large that a mid-sixteenth century Christian visitor to this city wrote in disdain that “because of this practice the city of Caffa may well be called a heathen giant who feeds on our blood.”

The burden of the Crimean slavery is reflected also in a few proverbs. According to almost all written sources, the main income of the Crimean Khanate came from raids upon the territories of adjacent countries and from the trade in slaves captured during these military campaigns. The first major Tatar raid for captives took place in 1468 and was directed into Galicia.

According to some estimates, in the first half of the seventeenth century the number of the captives taken to the Crimea was around 150,000-200,000 persons. About 100,000 of them were captured in the period between 1607 and 1617.8 The Crimean Tatars invaded Slavic lands 38 times from 1654 to 1657; 52,000 people were seized by the Tatars in the spring of 1655 in the course of a raid into the territory of Ukraine and Southern Russia.

The number of Tatar raids seems to have diminished in the eighteenth century due to the growth of Russian strength in the southern regions and a few Russo-Turkish wars, which partially took place in the Crimean territory. Nevertheless, in 1758 there were around 40,000 slaves captured during a raid on Moldavia and in 1769, during one of the very last Tatar incursions into Russian and Polish territory, the amount of “live booty” was about 20,000 souls.

The demographic importance of the slave trade in the Early Modern Crimea and Ottoman Empire also should not be underestimated. Thousands and thousands of Christian female slaves and children were converted to Islam annually.

 

When this article was already in print, I received a copy of a study by Dariusz Kolodziejczyk, where the author very convincingly suggested that the whole number of slaves taken from Russia and Poland-Lithuania between 1500 and 1700 might roughly be estimated at two million (Dariusz Kolodziejczyk, “Slave Hunting and Slave Redemption as a Business Enterprise: the Northern Black Sea Region in the Sixteenth to Seventeenth Centuries,” Oriente Moderno n.s. 25:1 (2006): 149-59, esp. 151).

 

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Marcin Broniewski (Broniovius) described how the Crimean Tatars conducted their military raids, captured and tortured their prisoners, cunningly forcing them to make their relatives pay as much money for their release from captivity as they could afford. According to his account, the Crimean Tatar Khans ordered their soldiers to start preparations for a raid three or four weeks before the proposed date of a campaign. Winter, when all marches, rivers, and muddy roads were frozen solid, was the usual time for raids. Several skillful and experienced soldiers were sent to capture informers from the country which they were going to plunder in order to get information about it. After entering the territory of a rival, they avoided a direct and open confrontation, moving quickly from one place to another and trying to seize as many captives and as much booty as possible, while plundering and burning everything they met on their way.

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russia_crimea_slave_trade_ottoman_empire_tartars_oxford_scholar_russland_krim_slavehandel.pdf

[Hugo_Hardnuts]

Skal man følge logikken her, er det jo bare for de tidligere kolonimaktene å ta for seg. Et land er tydeligvis ikke et land så lenge det har ligget under et annet tidligere i historien.

Igjen: Denne tråden er ikke annet enn en oppvisning i hvordan "fredsbevegelsen" - som TS tydeligvis påberoper seg å være en del av - gjør seg til talerør for den angripende part i en pågående krig.

Endret 26. mars av Hugo_Hardnuts

[Hugo_Hardnuts]

Det er jo for øvrig artig å omtale Russland som en forkjemper for avskaffelse av slavehandelen når Russland først avskaffet slaveriet internt i 1861. Frem til det årstallet var hovedandelen av russiske bønder og tjenestefolk, og etter hvert fabrikkarbeidere ufrie. Faktisk var over halvparten av den russiske befolkningen slaver på det tidspunktet hvor ordningen ble avskaffet. Og først i 1907 ble ordningen, der bønder måtte kjøpe seg frie fra landet de tidligere hadde vært bundet til, endelig opphevet.

Endret 26. mars av Hugo_Hardnuts