Demonbesettelse og - utdrivelse

[xrays]

Legger ved en link der de angivelig holder på med demon utdrivelse. Er dette mulig eller er det skuespill eller er det typ healingkrefter som drar ut våre indre demoner som innestengt aggresjon og frustrasjon, undertrykkelse , svelte kameler,  osv dårlige energier kort sagt ?

 

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Endret 26. november 2022 av xrays

[geir__hk]

vel, linken funker ikke - kommer til forsiden for profilen "Daniel Adams".

Når det er sagt, så har jeg sett en god del demoutrdrivelser opp gjennom årene, gjennom film og serier. Uten å ha sett den aktuelle videosekvensen så kan jeg nok likevel anta at det dreier seg om skuespill.

[xrays]

geir__hk skrev (19 timer siden):

vel, linken funker ikke - kommer til forsiden for profilen "Daniel Adams".

 

Siden til Daniel Adams har mange videoer på demon utdrivelse da han driver med det øverst på tidslinjen finner man link til alle  "videoer" 

Endret 27. november 2022 av xrays

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Hvorvidt denne personen er legitim kan jeg ikke svare på, men eksorsisme er definitivt mulig.

De fleste har kanskje ikke krefter nok til å utdrive negative entiteter på egen hånd, så man kan påberope Jesu autoritet.

"Hvis det er noen entiteter på meg nå, som ikke tjener Herren, så forlanger jeg at dere drar, i Jesu Kristi, Faderens og den Hellige Ånds navn!"

eller enda enklere

"I Jesu Kristi navn, la meg være i fred!"

Også overlater man resten til Gud.

Heller ikke betrakt dem som fiender. Betrakt dem heller slik en psykolog ville behandlet en mentalt ustabil pasient. lol. Man er beskyttet av sin intensjon.

[xrays]

Sentinelle skrev (2 timer siden):

Hvorvidt denne personen er legitim kan jeg ikke svare på, men eksorsisme er definitivt mulig.

De fleste har kanskje ikke krefter nok til å utdrive negative entiteter på egen hånd, så man kan påberope Jesu autoritet.

"Hvis det er noen entiteter på meg nå, som ikke tjener Herren, så forlanger jeg at dere drar, i Jesu Kristi, Faderens og den Hellige Ånds navn!"

eller enda enklere

"I Jesu Kristi navn, la meg være i fred!"

Også overlater man resten til Gud.

Heller ikke betrakt dem som fiender. Betrakt dem heller slik en psykolog ville behandlet en mentalt ustabil pasient. lol. Man er beskyttet av sin intensjon.

 

Sentinelle skrev (2 timer siden):

Hvorvidt denne personen er legitim kan jeg ikke svare på, men eksorsisme er definitivt mulig.

De fleste har kanskje ikke krefter nok til å utdrive negative entiteter på egen hånd, så man kan påberope Jesu autoritet.

"Hvis det er noen entiteter på meg nå, som ikke tjener Herren, så forlanger jeg at dere drar, i Jesu Kristi, Faderens og den Hellige Ånds navn!"

eller enda enklere

"I Jesu Kristi navn, la meg være i fred!"

Også overlater man resten til Gud.

Heller ikke betrakt dem som fiender. Betrakt dem heller slik en psykolog ville behandlet en mentalt ustabil pasient. lol. Man er beskyttet av sin intensjon.

Har du noen erfaringer eller opplevd noe selv omkring dette?

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xrays skrev (På 27.11.2022 den 18.21):

Har du noen erfaringer eller opplevd noe selv omkring dette?

Ja. Jeg tror de fleste har det uten at de er klar over det. De er i stor grad en del av den menneskelige tilværelsen.

Min løsning er å unnlate å involvere meg. Og overlate hele problemet til en frelser.

[xrays]

Sentinelle skrev (På 4.12.2022 den 9.25):

Ja. Jeg tror de fleste har det uten at de er klar over det. De er i stor grad en del av den menneskelige tilværelsen.

Min løsning er å unnlate å involvere meg. Og overlate hele problemet til en frelser.

Hva gjør du når du overlater problemet til en frelser, vil det si at du oppsøker en person som jobber med det eller betyr de at du ber om hjelp til som du nevner Jesu autoritet? 

[xrays]

 

 

 

Hva i alle dager tenker dere om dette?

 

Nå har jeg hørt at det er visst vanlig at man gander hverandre i Afrika.

 

 

[xrays]

Kan det være snakk om healing av indre spenninger som skal rives løs, eller .

[:utakt]

Massesuggesjon? Ikke mye annerledes enn et møte i en pinsemenighet der "tungetale" går amok. 

[Fustasjeopphengsforkobling]

Det er alltid vanskelig å si, men det forekommer. Den katolske kirke er vel den fremste ekspertisen her, men leste for noen år tilbake at det fremdeles også finnes eksorsister tilknyttet DNK den dag idag. Dog langt færre enn før, men har også lest om en økning i denne typen henvendelser. Man skal være forsiktig med hva man kaller djevelbesettelse. Ekspertene har sine metoder, og dessuten sjekker de alltid med psykologisk ekspertise først. Et eksempel er psykiateren Richard Gallagher ved New York Medical College. Han skrev denne artikkelen i 2016: As a psychiatrist, I diagnose mental illness. Also, I help spot demonic possession. How a scientist learned to work with exorcists.:

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In the late 1980s, I was introduced to a self-styled Satanic high priestess. She called herself a witch and dressed the part, with flowing dark clothes and black eye shadow around to her temples. In our many discussions, she acknowledged worshipping Satan as his “queen.”

I’m a man of science and a lover of history; after studying the classics at Princeton, I trained in psychiatry at Yale and in psychoanalysis at Columbia. That background is why a Catholic priest had asked my professional opinion, which I offered pro bono, about whether this woman was suffering from a mental disorder. This was at the height of the national panic about Satanism. (In a case that helped induce the hysteria, Virginia McMartin and others had recently been charged with alleged Satanic ritual abuse at a Los Angeles preschool; the charges were later dropped.) So I was inclined to skepticism. But my subject’s behavior exceeded what I could explain with my training. She could tell some people their secret weaknesses, such as undue pride. She knew how individuals she’d never known had died, including my mother and her fatal case of ovarian cancer. Six people later vouched to me that, during her exorcisms, they heard her speaking multiple languages, including Latin, completely unfamiliar to her outside of her trances. This was not psychosis; it was what I can only describe as paranormal ability. I concluded that she was possessed. Much later, she permitted me to tell her story.

[Watch: Nationwide exorcism performed on Mexico]

The priest who had asked for my opinion of this bizarre case was the most experienced exorcist in the country at the time, an erudite and sensible man. I had told him that, even as a practicing Catholic, I wasn’t likely to go in for a lot of hocus-pocus. “Well,” he replied, “unless we thought you were not easily fooled, we would hardly have wanted you to assist us.”

So began an unlikely partnership. For the past two-and-a-half decades and over several hundred consultations, I’ve helped clergy from multiple denominations and faiths to filter episodes of mental illness — which represent the overwhelming majority of cases — from, literally, the devil’s work. It’s an unlikely role for an academic physician, but I don’t see these two aspects of my career in conflict. The same habits that shape what I do as a professor and psychiatrist — open-mindedness, respect for evidence and compassion for suffering people — led me to aid in the work of discerning attacks by what I believe are evil spirits and, just as critically, differentiating these extremely rare events from medical conditions.

Is it possible to be a sophisticated psychiatrist and believe that evil spirits are, however seldom, assailing humans? Most of my scientific colleagues and friends say no, because of their frequent contact with patients who are deluded about demons, their general skepticism of the supernatural, and their commitment to employ only standard, peer-reviewed treatments that do not potentially mislead (a definite risk) or harm vulnerable patients. But careful observation of the evidence presented to me in my career has led me to believe that certain extremely uncommon cases can be explained no other way.

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The Vatican does not track global or countrywide exorcism, but in my experience and according to the priests I meet, demand is rising. The United States is home to about 50 “stable” exorcists — those who have been designated by bishops to combat demonic activity on a semi-regular basis — up from just 12 a decade ago, according to the Rev. Vincent Lampert, an Indianapolis-based priest-exorcist who is active in the International Association of Exorcists. (He receives about 20 inquiries per week, double the number from when his bishop appointed him in 2005.) The Catholic Church has responded by offering greater resources for clergy members who wish to address the problem. In 2010, for instance, the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops organized a meeting in Baltimore for interested clergy. In 2014, Pope Francis formally recognized the IAE, 400 members of which are to convene in Rome this October. Members believe in such strange cases because they are constantly called upon to help. (I served for a time as a scientific adviser on the group’s governing board.)

[No, really. Take a vacation. Your co-workers will manage just fine without you.]

Unfortunately, not all clergy involved in this complex field are as cautious as the priest who first approached me. In some circles, there is a tendency to become overly preoccupied with putative demonic explanations and to see the devil everywhere. Fundamentalist misdiagnoses and absurd or even dangerous “treatments,” such as beating victims, have sometimes occurred, especially in developing countries. This is perhaps why exorcism has a negative connotation in some quarters. People with psychological problems should receive psychological treatment.

But I believe I’ve seen the real thing. Assaults upon individuals are classified either as “demonic possessions” or as the slightly more common but less intense attacks usually called “oppressions.” A possessed individual may suddenly, in a type of trance, voice statements of astonishing venom and contempt for religion, while understanding and speaking various foreign languages previously unknown to them. The subject might also exhibit enormous strength or even the extraordinarily rare phenomenon of levitation. (I have not witnessed a levitation myself, but half a dozen people I work with vow that they’ve seen it in the course of their exorcisms.) He or she might demonstrate “hidden knowledge” of all sorts of things — like how a stranger’s loved ones died, what secret sins she has committed, even where people are at a given moment. These are skills that cannot be explained except by special psychic or preternatural ability.

I have personally encountered these rationally inexplicable features, along with other paranormal phenomena. My vantage is unusual: As a consulting doctor, I think I have seen more cases of possession than any other physician in the world.

[I’m a transgender Republican. My party has betrayed me.]

Most of the people I evaluate in this role suffer from the more prosaic problems of a medical disorder. Anyone even faintly familiar with mental illnesses knows that individuals who think they are being attacked by malign spirits are generally experiencing nothing of the sort. Practitioners see psychotic patients all the time who claim to see or hear demons; histrionic or highly suggestible individuals, such as those suffering from dissociative identity syndromes; and patients with personality disorders who are prone to misinterpret destructive feelings, in what exorcists sometimes call a “pseudo-possession,” via the defense mechanism of an externalizing projection. But what am I supposed to make of patients who unexpectedly start speaking perfect Latin?

I approach each situation with an initial skepticism. I technically do not make my own “diagnosis” of possession but inform the clergy that the symptoms in question have no conceivable medical cause.

I am aware of the way many psychiatrists view this sort of work. While the American Psychiatric Association has no official opinion on these affairs, the field (like society at large) is full of unpersuadable skeptics and occasionally doctrinaire materialists who are often oddly vitriolic in their opposition to all things spiritual. My job is to assist people seeking help, not to convince doctors who are not subject to suasion. Yet I’ve been pleasantly surprised by the number of psychiatrists and other mental health practitioners nowadays who are open to entertaining such hypotheses. Many believe exactly what I do, though they may be reluctant to speak out.

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As a man of reason, I’ve had to rationalize the seemingly irrational. Questions about how a scientifically trained physician can believe “such outdated and unscientific nonsense,” as I’ve been asked, have a simple answer. I honestly weigh the evidence. I have been told simplistically that levitation defies the laws of gravity, and, well, of course it does! We are not dealing here with purely material reality, but with the spiritual realm. One cannot force these creatures to undergo lab studies or submit to scientific manipulation; they will also hardly allow themselves to be easily recorded by video equipment, as skeptics sometimes demand. (The official Catholic Catechism holds that demons are sentient and possess their own wills; as they are fallen angels, they are also craftier than humans. That’s how they sow confusion and seed doubt, after all.) Nor does the church wish to compromise a sufferer’s privacy, any more than doctors want to compromise a patient’s confidentiality.

Ignorance and superstition have often surrounded stories of demonic possession in various cultures, and surely many alleged episodes can be explained by fraud, chicanery or mental pathology. But anthropologists agree that nearly all cultures have believed in spirits, and the vast majority of societies (including our own) have recorded dramatic stories of spirit possession. Despite varying interpretations, multiple depictions of the same phenomena in astonishingly consistent ways offer cumulative evidence of their credibility.

As a psychoanalyst, a blanket rejection of the possibility of demonic attacks seems less logical, and often wishful in nature, than a careful appraisal of the facts. As I see it, the evidence for possession is like the evidence for George Washington’s crossing of the Delaware. In both cases, written historical accounts with numerous sound witnesses testify to their accuracy.

In the end, however, it was not an academic or dogmatic view that propelled me into this line of work. I was asked to consult about people in pain. I have always thought that, if requested to help a tortured person, a physician should not arbitrarily refuse to get involved. Those who dismiss these cases unwittingly prevent patients from receiving the help they desperately require, either by failing to recommend them for psychiatric treatment (which most clearly need) or by not informing their spiritual ministers that something beyond a mental or other illness seems to be the issue. For any person of science or faith, it should be impossible to turn one’s back on a tormented soul.

Richard Gallagher har også skrevet boken Demonic Foes. My Twenty-Five Years as a Psychiatrist Investigating Possessions, Diabolic Attacks, and the Paranormal

Ellers virker Ed og Lorraine Warren å være troverdige. De er personene som filmene om Annabelle, Amityville, Conjuring bygger på. Filmen The Exorcism of Emily Rose er også basert på en historie fra virkeligheten.

Endret 14. desember 2022 av Fustasjeopphengsforkobling

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xrays skrev (På 6.12.2022 den 13.22):

Hva gjør du når du overlater problemet til en frelser, vil det si at du oppsøker en person som jobber med det eller betyr de at du ber om hjelp til som du nevner Jesu autoritet? 

Du kan si, "jeg lar min frelser / Gud ta seg av alt dette" - med villighet til å gi slipp på kontroll og egne oppfatninger/meninger. Dette er litt annerledes enn som nevnt over. Du kan også be Herren om hjelp gjennom bønn.

Bare send PM hvis du skulle ønske å vite flere detaljer for hvordan prosessen har vært for meg.

[JunkPotato]

On 12/14/2022 at 9:29 AM, xrays said:

 

 

 

Hva i alle dager tenker dere om dette?

 

Nå har jeg hørt at det er visst vanlig at man gander hverandre i Afrika.

 

 

Jeg tenker at du må finne ut av ting før du stiller spørsmål om det. Det er hvert individ sin oppgave å løse alle mysterier i verden, det er ikke opp til en gruppe som diskuterer sammen. Det er du som må finne ut av det.

Men når det er sagt så er det åpenbart hva disse tingene er for noe med disse kvinnene du ser her. Det er en overemosjonell person som ikke har bygd inn i seg å holde følelsene sine for seg selv. Det er et menneske som er bygd for å uttrykke seg, og uttrykkene blir helt vanvittige og misforstås som demonbesettelse.

Du vil ikke finne en advokat i verden som har en slik demonbesettelse, og heller ikke en president.

Det er farlig å tro at alle mennesker er nødt til å være like hverandre. Det er store genetiske forskjeller mellom mennesker, og ting som dette må du ane deg komme.

Men ta ikke feil, det kan være noen der ute som faktisk har det svært vondt inni seg og at disse oppfører seg på liknende måte. Det må selvfølgelig etterforskes nærmere for hvert individ.

Det kan også selvfølgelig være parasitter som gjør at de blir sånn.

Endret 30. desember 2022 av JunkPotato