Russlands invasjon av Ukraina [Ny tråd, les førstepost]

[.berZerk]

46 minutes ago, <generisk_navn> said:

Sveits er nøytrale, og det skal vi respektere.

Hvorfor skal det respekteres egentlig?

[oddeh]

 

[Jarmo]

Hviterussland konsentrerer tropper på den ukrainske grensen, melder landets media Belta.

Militært utstyr, inkludert stridsvogner, har allerede begynt å flyttes ved hjelp av jernbanen til de sørøstlige delene av Hviterussland.

 

Lørdag ga sjefen for de hviterussiske forsvarsstyrkene ordre om å styrke beredskapen til troppene i det taktiske miljøet Homel og Mazyr. Byene ligger i Homel-regionen, som er ganske nær punktet der Russland, Ukraina og Hviterussland deler en felles grense.

Ifølge Hviterussland fløy uidentifiserte gjenstander fredag 9. august fra Ukrainas retning mot luftrommet i Hviterussland, og det er grunnen til at luftvernvarslingsstatusen ble hevet til høyeste nivå.

Hviterusslands president Alexander Lukasjenko kunngjorde lørdag at de ukrainske forsvarsstyrkene hadde krenket statens luftrom.

[overhodet]

Jarmo skrev (6 minutter siden):

Hviterussland konsentrerer tropper på den ukrainske grensen, melder landets media Belta.

Militært utstyr, inkludert stridsvogner, har allerede begynt å flyttes ved hjelp av jernbanen til de sørøstlige delene av Hviterussland.

 

Lørdag ga sjefen for de hviterussiske forsvarsstyrkene ordre om å styrke beredskapen til troppene i det taktiske miljøet Homel og Mazyr. Byene ligger i Homel-regionen, som er ganske nær punktet der Russland, Ukraina og Hviterussland deler en felles grense.

Ifølge Hviterussland fløy uidentifiserte gjenstander fredag 9. august fra Ukrainas retning mot luftrommet i Hviterussland, og det er grunnen til at luftvernvarslingsstatusen ble hevet til høyeste nivå.

Hviterusslands president Alexander Lukasjenko kunngjorde lørdag at de ukrainske forsvarsstyrkene hadde krenket statens luftrom.

Kun for å skremme Ukraina. Polen og Ukraina kunne tatt Belarus på en dag om de ville.

[Penny]

8 minutes ago, overhodet said:

Polen og Ukraina kunne tatt Belarus på en dag om de ville.

Belarus tar Belarus på en dag hvis Luka strekker strikken for langt. Han sitter ikke akkurat trygt.

[Kahuna]

Penny skrev (6 minutter siden):

Belarus tar Belarus på en dag hvis Luka strekker strikken for langt. Han sitter ikke akkurat trygt.

Apropos det, hvor mange russikte tropper befinner seg i Belarus nå? Det er vel egentlig dem som holder ham ved makten. Om de trekkes ut i retning Kurst vil det presentere seg en fiin anledning for revolusjon i Belarus.  

[torbjornen]

Dragavon skrev (1 time siden):

 

Den prestasjonen der er imponerande. Han heng jo meir eller mindre i lause lufta!

[Brother Ursus]

 

Russerne er militært impotente. Alt de har å svare med nå er terror.

Det er slik autokrater opererer når de er i ferd med å tape.

[Brother Ursus]

5 minutes ago, torbjornen said:

Den prestasjonen der er imponerande. Han heng jo meir eller mindre i lause lufta!

Mange ukrainske profesjonelle utøvere som er på fronten i stedet for i OL, dessverre.

[Brother Ursus]

 

Russiske styrker var fortsatt i Korenevo i går formiddag, slik at Ukraina har ikke tatt den. Men det jeg lurer på er om Ukraina gjør det med overlegg. Jeg tror de kunne ha stormet den om de ville. Fluepapirstrategi? Eller som den amerikanske etterretningsoffiseren Nance kalte det, amboltstrategi. La dem legge hodet på den, slå til, og ta et steg bakover.

Nå er det i det minste de rette byene som blir kjempet om og eventuelt redusert til grus.

[Markiii]

Brother Ursus skrev (3 minutter siden):

Nå er det i det minste de rette byene som blir kjempet om og eventuelt redusert til grus.

Ja, dette må jo være en viktig del av dette. Hvis Russland skal ta tilbake egne områder så må de jo vurdere sterkt om de skal bruke samme strategi med å jevne steder med jorden slik de gjør i Ukraina.

Derfor håper jeg Ukraina erobrer flere litt større steder, der Russland risikerer å utslette egne områder hvis de skal få noen fremgang.

[Brother Ursus]

https://www.thetimes.com/world/russia-ukraine-war/article/invading-russia-was-zelenskys-most-surprising-and-risky-decision-yet-6nbnfr7sn

Invading Russia is Zelensky’s riskiest decision yet

Crack troops are being used for a risky counterpunch to Putin that astonished the world — and the fingerprints of Ukraine’s president are all over it

Ukraine’s incursion into Russian territory in the Kursk region last week took Moscow by surprise. It took Kyiv’s western supporters, even in Washington, by surprise as well.

When it began on Tuesday it looked like another display of noisy military bravado by one of the anti-Putin militia groups. By Thursday it was clear that Kyiv itself was trying to land a strategic counterpunch against Russia.

President Zelensky’s personal fingerprints are all over it. It’s been an open secret in Kyiv for many months that the president was pressing his military chiefs to launch a summer offensive.

Given Ukraine’s manpower and resources problems, they were hesitant. But Zelensky is desperate to reverse the narrative that Ukraine is losing its war.

[Brother Ursus]

Just now, Markiii said:

Ja, dette må jo være en viktig del av dette. Hvis Russland skal ta tilbake egne områder så må de jo vurdere sterkt om de skal bruke samme strategi med å jevne steder med jorden slik de gjør i Ukraina.

Derfor håper jeg Ukraina erobrer flere litt større steder, der Russland risikerer å utslette egne områder hvis de skal få noen fremgang.

Og det beste er at det er svært få forsvarsverk og forberedte linjer. Og nesten ingen erfarne tropper.

Russland har så langt kun vært beskyttet av Vestens manglende politiske vilje.

[Brother Ursus]

 

Ukrainsk dronetreningssenter. Wow. Håper ingen klarer å identifisere og geolokalisere.

[Brother Ursus]

 

Vakkert bilde fra Morozovsk flybase som ble tilintetgjort for et par dager siden.

[Kahuna]

Brother Ursus skrev (4 minutter siden):

Ukrainsk dronetreningssenter. Wow. Håper ingen klarer å identifisere og geolokalisere.

Det ser ut til å være en offentlig demo, det er mange tilskuere til stede og det har preg av rekrutteringsmesse. En ung mann fikk overrakt en ny drone, gjetter på at han var den av de fremmøtte som gjorde det best på hinderløypa de hadde satt opp. 

Håper på at dette er et midlertidig lokale som tømmes etter at messa var over og at det ekte treningslokalet er et annet sted.

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Spoiler

The video provides an update on the ongoing military situation in the Kursk Oblast of Russia, where Ukrainian forces have made significant advances. Here's a summary of the key points:

1. Ukrainian Advances: Ukrainian forces have continued to make gains in the Kursk Oblast, capturing key villages such as Leova and Mala L. The main town of Suja is mostly under Ukrainian control, though some Russian forces may still be present in the area.

2. Russian Convoys Ambushed: Ukrainian forces have successfully ambushed multiple Russian convoys attempting to bring reinforcements to the area. These ambushes, often conducted with the aid of surveillance drones and HIMARS systems, have resulted in significant Russian losses.

3. Fog of War: There is a lack of official information from Ukraine about the ongoing operations, leading to a reliance on Russian military bloggers and unofficial sources for updates. The Ukrainian government has remained very calm and has not provided many details, which contributes to the fog of war in the region.

4. Russian Defense and Reinforcements: Russia is attempting to send reinforcements to the Kursk region, but these efforts have been met with resistance and losses. The Russian military is also using aviation, gliding bombs, and Iskander missiles in an attempt to target Ukrainian positions.

5. Speculation on Ukrainian Objectives: There is speculation that Ukraine might attempt further operations in the Belgorod or Kursk regions, though some reports about these potential offensives have been dismissed as misinformation.

6. Encirclement of Suja: Ukrainian forces have reportedly encircled Suja, cutting off supply lines and mining key roads. This has trapped Russian forces in the area, making it difficult for them to receive reinforcements or retreat.

7. International Reactions: The Russian Foreign Ministry has called on the international community to condemn Ukraine's actions in the Kursk region, framing it as an attack on sovereign Russian territory. However, Ukraine's operations are viewed as a response to Russian aggression.

8. Potential Outcomes: The video suggests that Ukraine may not be able to reach the Kursk Nuclear Power Plant due to the distance and logistical challenges. Instead, Ukraine might focus on holding the territory they have gained or trading it for Ukrainian territory currently occupied by Russia.

9. Support from Allies: Ukraine continues to receive support from its Western allies, including a new military aid package from the United States worth $125 million, which includes Stinger missiles, HIMARS shells, and other military equipment.

10. Russian Responses: Russia has struggled to effectively counter the Ukrainian offensive in Kursk, with significant losses and difficulties in mobilizing reinforcements. There is also concern in Belarus, where the government has claimed that Ukraine's actions in Kursk pose a threat to Belarus.

 

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[Brother Ursus]

https://www-moscowtimes-eu.translate.goog/2024/08/10/nachalnika-genshtaba-gerasimova-ulichili-vovrane-putinu-osituatsii-vkurskoi-oblasti-a139136?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp

Chief of the General Staff Gerasimov was caught lying to Putin about the situation in the Kursk region

(google oversatt)
 

Chief of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces Valery Gerasimov lied to Vladimir Putin during a report on the situation in the Kursk region, Novaya Gazeta journalist Valery Shiryaev noted. During the Security Council meeting, which took place on August 7, the military commander reported to the president that about 1,000 soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine had entered the territory of the Russian Federation, although already at that moment “special correspondents of Central Television or newspapers affiliated with the Ministry of Defense, such as Komsomolskaya Pravda,” named the figure more, Shiryaev noted. 

“The most [interesting] thing began later, when a day later official reports from the Ministry of Defense showed the figures for the loss of the Ukrainian army in the Kursk region, i.e. invasion groups - a thousand people. Those. a thousand came in, and a day later a thousand were already killed and wounded, according to reports from the Ministry of Defense. <…> How is this possible? A thousand came, the day passed, and that’s it, and they are no longer there. What about the rest? Who is fighting there?” he told the YouTube channel “NO.Media from Russia.”

This situation may indicate that the Chief of the General Staff either did not have the information, or “reported figures from a day ago,” or “failed to get his bearings,” the journalist believes: “By and large, it turned out that he misled the Supreme Commander-in-Chief. <…> Putin listened to unreliable information at this meeting.” 

During an emergency meeting of the Security Council, which Putin held on August 7 against the backdrop of the successful advance of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Kursk region, Gerasimov promised the president that the Ukrainian army would be thrown back outside Russia. The general said that units of the Ukrainian Armed Forces “numbering up to 1,000 people” began to advance at 5:30 a.m. on August 6 “with the aim of capturing a section of the Sudzhansky district.” At that moment, he also assured that the advance of the Ukrainian Armed Forces “deep into the territory in the Kursk direction has been stopped.”

Information about the “stopping” of the advance of the Ukrainian military deep into Russia, however, also turned out to be unreliable: the Ukrainian Armed Forces after that took about 10 more settlements (in total, at least 20 Russian settlements are now under Ukrainian control) and the Sudzha gas measuring station ", through which Russian gas is pumped to Europe. Dozens of Russian military personnel, including conscripts, were captured. On August 9, a counter-terrorism operation (CTO) regime was introduced in the Kursk, as well as Belgorod and Bryansk regions.

The inability of the Russian Armed Forces to confront the Armed Forces of Ukraine made Vladimir Putin and the entire Russian command “nervous,”   four senior Russian officials, who asked not to be named,  told The Moscow Times.

On August 10, information appeared that the Ukrainian Armed Forces, following the Kursk region, could enter  Belgorod region and occupy the village of Poroz. Before this, the Belgorod News telegram channel reported that this settlement was under fire. The governor of the region, Vyacheslav Gladkov, did not confirm this information, but did not deny it either. In his Telegram channel, he wrote that in order to “accurately understand the situation,” it is necessary for “representatives of the security forces to understand it,” and “at the moment, as part of the CTO regime announced in the region, entry into the village of Poroz is closed.”