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Aiven skrev (15 minutter siden):

 

Du er vel litt for smart til å forveksle hva velgermassen ønsker, men hva det demokratiske partiet står for i praktisk politikk?

Den opprinnelig påstanden var hva demokratene mente, ikke demokratiske politikere

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Sanders hadde vært president nå,

Det vet ingen

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hvis det ikke var for at partiledelsen i partiet heller ville tape valget enn å ha Sanders som president. Han ville jo soleklart vært demokratenes kandidat, hvis det ikke var for det korrupte og udemokratiske systemet av superkandidater, som stemte på Clinton. Demokratvelgerne ville ha Sanders, men det er jo selvsagt ikke folket som bestemmer.

Hmmm... politiske partier som velger sine egne kandidater.  Imagine that!

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jjkoggan skrev (12 minutter siden):

Den opprinnelig påstanden var hva demokratene mente, ikke demokratiske politikere

@Oddvardm snakket du om at partiet, med sin organisasjon og politikere var gått mot høyre, eller snakket du om at de demokratiske velgerne var gått mot høyre?

 

jjkoggan skrev (12 minutter siden):

Hmmm... politiske partier som velger sine egne kandidater.  Imagine that!

Imagine a not corrupt system. Oh I forgot. You're American.

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Oddvardm skrev (12 minutter siden):

 

Akkurat. 40% av de som stemmer på demokratene er progressive (hva nå enn det menes med det). De blir skuffet hver eneste gang.

82% av demokrater ble ikke skuffet som du hevdet at de  " feiler aldri når det gjelder å skuffe sine velgere."

 

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Vel, tallene du beskriver er jo en bekreftelse av min heller 'løse' påstand. Hvorfor er 45% av dem fattige...fremdeles?

Jeg er sikkert du forstår at alle som tjener mindre enn median lønninger ikke er fattige.  Faktaene bekrefter at  de som ble fornøyd med Obama og sikkert Biden består av mange mer enn rikinger.  Du viser en manglende forståelse av arbeiderklassene i USA, ser det ut.

Boken (Hillbilly Elegy) som beskriver  mange fattige amerikaneres perspektivet for de som ønsker å forstå noe av dem kan gi noe innsikt hvis du ikke har bodd blant fattige amerikanere i mange år og kjenner dem personlig.  Bokens forfatteren har blitt en kandidat for senator her i Ohio.  Han (JD Vance= er selvsagt en republikaner som mange fattige fra området og det blir intersannt å se hvis han klarer å snakke det samme språket som andre fattige i Ohio.

Det har aldri vært en typisk klassekamp i USA som har skjedd blant mange europeiske land.  Jeg vet at det er lite forståelig blant mange europeere.

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jjkoggan skrev (48 minutter siden):

"Demokratene" i kongressen har blitt mer progressive, ikke omvendt

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Moderates Nearly Extinct in the U.S. House

https://www.fairvote.org/moderates-nearly-extinct-in-the-u-s-house

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https://www.brookings.edu/interactives/average-ideology-of-the-house-and-senate-1947-2014/

 

So I wasted time analyzing what you posted and as expected it's trash wrapped in insulting amounts of silk paper. I wonder why you only post propaganda. As Kant observed, there are two sources of a faulty action, one has to do with a dysfunctional heart and the other has to do with a dysfunctional mind.

Kyle Kulinski has a good take on this:
 

 

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Aiven skrev (14 minutter siden):

 

So I wasted time analyzing what you posted and as expected it's trash wrapped in insulting amounts of silk paper. I wonder why you only post propaganda. As Kant observed, there are two sources of a faulty action, one has to do with a dysfunctional heart and the other has to do with a dysfunctional mind.

Kyle Kulinski has a good take on this:
 

 

I would reply to this post , but there is nothing here but unsubstantiated opinions and insults. 

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jallajall skrev (1 time siden):

Biden om mandatory vaksine for delstater, private foretak og skoler:

- I would like to see them continue to move in that direction.. it's still a question whether the Federal government can mandate the whole country

Whoa!

Ush...dette var ikke bra tror jeg. Amerikanere liker ikke å bli fortalt at de MÅ gjøre noe. Tror at det må en kampanje til, ikke tvang. Det tror jeg er feil medisin. 👀

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Oddvardm skrev (8 timer siden):

JJ. Hvis du mener at de går mot venstre så kan alle som ser dette tenke sitt. Nancy Pelosi snakker om statlig utdannelse i USA. Hvis dette er venstre politikk så vet ikke jeg.

Cherry-picking data most often leads to greater ignorance. Challenging a full body of data with single points is something children in elementary school learn not to do and is a very weak counter argument.   

 

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jjkoggan skrev (17 timer siden):

Cherry-picking data most often leads to greater ignorance. Challenging a full body of data with single points is something children in elementary school learn not to do and is a very weak counter argument.   

What? Cherry picking data? Really? There are numerous studies and reports adressing this massive move to the right. The education system in the US had free education some 40 years ago. Abadoned by Reagan & his super conservative congress. Remember the folly alcohol policy during1920 ties? Came from the US. Now they want to privatize everything from prisons, schools & even war. Ask youself this: If you never know where the next genious will come from, is it not counter productive to shut out 1/3 of the population from higher education? Will the private sector capture talent? I know your answer. You will claim that students that excell in lower education will get scholarships. What a folly. Thousends of kids are slow starters. Impossible to predict who will excell. Einstein was considered as a 'medium' student & could not land a job. If he lived (in the US) today I claim he would not been accepted for a scholarship and we would have lost him. Short time profits are more important than long time investment. Sorry to say that, but it is true.

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Oddvardm skrev (5 timer siden):

What? Cherry picking data? Really? There are numerous studies and reports adressing this massive move to the right. The education system in the US had free education some 40 years ago. Abadoned by Reagan & his super conservative congress. Remember the folly alcohol policy during1920 ties? Came from the US. Now they want to privatize everything from prisons, schools & even war. Ask youself this: If you never know where the next genious will come from, is it not counter productive to shut out 1/3 of the population from higher education? Will the private sector capture talent? I know your answer. You will claim that students that excell in lower education will get scholarships. What a folly. Thousends of kids are slow starters. Impossible to predict who will excell. Einstein was considered as a 'medium' student & could not land a job. If he lived (in the US) today I claim he would not been accepted for a scholarship and we would have lost him. Short time profits are more important than long time investment. Sorry to say that, but it is true.

You have opinions and produce no data.  The claim was that democratic politicians have become more conservative over time, it was not about an overall trend.  
 

if your opinion is correct you should be able to produce many objective  studies showing democratic politicians shift to the right.  The reality in the last 50 years is that the liberal wing of the Democratic Party has grown while the conservative wing has atrophied.  The racist conservative blue dogs have disappeared while northeast liberals like Sanders and Warren have gained power.  The last batch of presidential democratic candidates was the most liberal in history.  Nearly every one of them was talking about nearly free tuition and some form of medcare for all

 

Can you show me a more liberal democratic field in history where a front runner calls himself a “democratic socialist “?   An academic study that shows that democrats in congress have become more conservative in the last 30 years, not cherry picked individual examples?

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