MrMarbles Skrevet 19. september 2019 Del Skrevet 19. september 2019 Har kjøpt flere på ebay det siste året til slikk og ingenting. Office 2016 også. Når det koster så lite som 30-50 kr pr lisens, så går det helt greit (for meg) om det slutter å funke etter noen år. Kan kjøpe en del slike lisenser for det MS skal ha her i Norge ^^ Lenke til kommentar
Gjest Slettet-t8fn5F Skrevet 19. september 2019 Del Skrevet 19. september 2019 Jojo. Men begynner å bli litt dyre syntes jeg. De tjener vel så det holder. Windows 10 kostet da svært lite, om du hadde kjøpt et produkt tidligere av typen operativsystem og nyere enn versjon Vista. Lenke til kommentar
Kyrre S. Skrevet 19. september 2019 Del Skrevet 19. september 2019 (endret) Tviler på den ene lisensen kan brukes på 20-30 maskiner samtidig .. Men ja, oppdateringen fra win7/8/8.1 til 10 var fin ? Endret 19. september 2019 av Kyrre S. Lenke til kommentar
Gjest Slettet-t8fn5F Skrevet 19. september 2019 Del Skrevet 19. september 2019 Tviler på den ene lisensen kan brukes på 20-30 maskiner samtidig .. Men ja, oppdateringen fra win7/8/8.1 til 10 var fin Nei det er vel de færreste lisensene til privatpersoner fra Microsoft som gjør. 1 Lenke til kommentar
Rydin Skrevet 19. september 2019 Del Skrevet 19. september 2019 Jeg har kjøpt windows 10 og steam spillkoder fra g2play og alt har fungert og fungerer fortsatt helt fint. Det koster litt mer nå enn det gjorde for noen år siden da jeg kjøpte sist. https://www.g2play.net/category/19429/windows-10-professional-oem-key/ @kjetilkl du kan gjerne forklare hvorfor dette ikke er en lovlig måte å aktivere windows 10 Lenke til kommentar
kjetilkl Skrevet 19. september 2019 Del Skrevet 19. september 2019 (endret) Nåja. Problemet er jo at det finnes utallige argumenter som fremsettes for at slike lisenser er gyldige. Men for å ta noe av de. De fleste slike nøkler som er gyldig kommer fra ett av følgende steder; 1. OEM-lisenser fra store PC-produsenter som selges videre -Disse lisensene er kjøpt i store kvanta fra Microsoft, og gjennomsnittlig pris for disse lå på ca 50USD i Windows 8 tiden. - Store OEMer får sikkert litt rabatt, men selges den videre for betydelig under 50$ så kan vi gå utifra at lisensen ikke er fra denne kanalen - eller at en utro tjener har stjålet nøklene. -Disse lisensene er kun gyldige dersom de selges ferdig installert på PCene fra OEM'en, så de vil aldri ha en gyldig lisens uansett når de selges videre. 2. OEM-lisenser som har falt av en lastebil Vel, disse er jo stjålet, og dessuten så sier lisensavtalen til MS at de skal være solgt fra en godkjent OEM-partner - så lisensen er ikke gyldig. 3. Lisensnøkler tatt fra PCer som er vraket En OEM-lisens kan ikke lisensmessig flyttes over på annen hardware, dessuten se pkt 1 - så denne er ikke gyldig. 4. Lisensnøkler skaffet gjennom volumlisensprogrammer. Disse er underlagt avtalen som den som har opprettet den har med Microsoft, og vil ikke være gyldig utenfor programmet. Noen eksempler er; - Standard Volumlisensprogrammer - har du en slik lisens så vil den være gyldig, men disse lisensen koster mer enn å kjøpe en OEM-pakke på komplett - så det er lite trolig at du får kjøpt den på nettet for 200,- hvis den er skaffet på lovlig vis. - Spark, MSDN, utvikler- og student-programmer, etc - Microsoft har en rekke programmer og abonnementer der du får tilgang til det meste de har av programvare for en slikk og ingenting. - Her kan du hente ut nøkler som kan brukes andre steder, men de vil ikke være tillatt brukt utenfor formålet med programmet. DVS at utviklerlisenser kun skal brukes i utvikling, og ikke i produksjon, Spark kan kun brukes av den brukeren som har kjøpt lisensene osv. - Ingen av disse lisensene vil være gyldige hvis de viderselges. 5. Ubrukte nøkler fra PCer bedrifter som har volumavtale og bruker sin egen nøkkel. Generelt kan vi si at den eneste grunnen til at bedrifter ikke aktiverer nøklene som ligger på PCene er at de skal legge på et image med Enterprise eller EDU lisens som de har egen nøkkel for fra MS. Enterprise og EDU-lisenser er additive. - De er kun gyldige dersom PCen har en gyldig Pro-lisens som ikke er aktivert,og i tillegg vil du støte på pkt 1. - Slike lisenser kan derfor aldri være gyldige. Endret 19. september 2019 av kjetilkl Lenke til kommentar
Rydin Skrevet 19. september 2019 Del Skrevet 19. september 2019 Fra g2play: "Legal Note: OEM (Original Equipment Manufacturer) versions offer the buyer the huge advantage of purchasing the same software at a significantly lower price. In Germany, the purchase, distribution and use of OEM versions is completely legal. In other words, trading of OEM versions even without hardware is legally permitted. The Federal Court ruling allowed the sale of OEM versions and DSP versions without associated hardware. As a result of this ruling, you may install and use this version on any computer. This is documented in the judgment of the Federal Court of Justice of 06.07.2000 - I ZR 244/97, and states: In the judgment of 6 July 2000 ruled the Federal High Court (BGH) that the exhaustion principle can not be undermined by license provisions of the manufacturers (Az I ZR 244/97 - OEM Decision - Judgment in GRUR 2001, 153). At that time Microsoft complained against the resale of so-called OEM software, which was contractually tied to new hardware at the time of sale, but had been brought into isolation by the intermediate dealer. The lawsuit was dismissed. The BGH stated in its judgment that the retransmission is free due to the exhaustion of the copyright distribution right." Lenke til kommentar
kjetilkl Skrevet 19. september 2019 Del Skrevet 19. september 2019 (endret) Ja, det er ikke noe problem å kjøpe OEM-utgaver. - Men DSP versjonene som OEM'ene kjøper kommer med en lisens som knytter den til spesielle betingelser. - Dette er ikke en vanlig OEM-versjon som du får kjøpt på komplett. Denne dommen omhandler praksisen SM hadde i Windows 7-tiden og tidligere der du ikke fikk kjøpe OEM-lisens hvis du ikke kjøpte hovedkort eller hdd (eller cpu, muligens) - dette har de senere gått bort i fra. Dessuten er vel dette en dom som kun avviser MS sitt forsøk på å stoppe dette videreselget for 20 år siden. - Det betyr ikke nødvendigvis at lisensene er gyldige. Endret 19. september 2019 av kjetilkl Lenke til kommentar
Rydin Skrevet 19. september 2019 Del Skrevet 19. september 2019 Det er ikke snakk om komplett, men feks g2play Lenke til kommentar
Gjest Slettet-t8fn5F Skrevet 19. september 2019 Del Skrevet 19. september 2019 Nåja. Problemet er jo at det finnes utallige argumenter som fremsettes for at slike lisenser er gyldige. Men for å ta noe av de. De fleste slike nøkler som er gyldig kommer fra ett av følgende steder; 1. OEM-lisenser fra store PC-produsenter som selges videre -Disse lisensene er kjøpt i store kvanta fra Microsoft, og gjennomsnittlig pris for disse lå på ca 50USD i Windows 8 tiden. - Store OEMer får sikkert litt rabatt, men selges den videre for betydelig under 50$ så kan vi gå utifra at lisensen ikke er fra denne kanalen - eller at en utro tjener har stjålet nøklene. -Disse lisensene er kun gyldige dersom de selges ferdig installert på PCene fra OEM'en, så de vil aldri ha en gyldig lisens uansett når de selges videre. 2. OEM-lisenser som har falt av en lastebil Vel, disse er jo stjålet, og dessuten så sier lisensavtalen til MS at de skal være solgt fra en godkjent OEM-partner - så lisensen er ikke gyldig. 3. Lisensnøkler tatt fra PCer som er vraket En OEM-lisens kan ikke lisensmessig flyttes over på annen hardware, dessuten se pkt 1 - så denne er ikke gyldig. 4. Lisensnøkler skaffet gjennom volumlisensprogrammer. Disse er underlagt avtalen som den som har opprettet den har med Microsoft, og vil ikke være gyldig utenfor programmet. Noen eksempler er; - Standard Volumlisensprogrammer - har du en slik lisens så vil den være gyldig, men disse lisensen koster mer enn å kjøpe en OEM-pakke på komplett - så det er lite trolig at du får kjøpt den på nettet for 200,- hvis den er skaffet på lovlig vis. - Spark, MSDN, utvikler- og student-programmer, etc - Microsoft har en rekke programmer og abonnementer der du får tilgang til det meste de har av programvare for en slikk og ingenting. - Her kan du hente ut nøkler som kan brukes andre steder, men de vil ikke være tillatt brukt utenfor formålet med programmet. DVS at utviklerlisenser kun skal brukes i utvikling, og ikke i produksjon, Spark kan kun brukes av den brukeren som har kjøpt lisensene osv. - Ingen av disse lisensene vil være gyldige hvis de viderselges. 5. Ubrukte nøkler fra PCer bedrifter som har volumavtale og bruker sin egen nøkkel. Generelt kan vi si at den eneste grunnen til at bedrifter ikke aktiverer nøklene som ligger på PCene er at de skal legge på et image med Enterprise eller EDU lisens som de har egen nøkkel for fra MS. Enterprise og EDU-lisenser er additive. - De er kun gyldige dersom PCen har en gyldig Pro-lisens som ikke er aktivert,og i tillegg vil du støte på pkt 1. - Slike lisenser kan derfor aldri være gyldige. Ingen av de punktene der strider mot Microsoft sin lisensavtale med Windows 10. https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/Useterms/Retail/Windows/10/UseTerms_Retail_Windows_10_English.htm Lenke til kommentar
kjetilkl Skrevet 19. september 2019 Del Skrevet 19. september 2019 Ingen av de punktene der strider mot Microsoft sin lisensavtale med Windows 10. https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/Useterms/Retail/Windows/10/UseTerms_Retail_Windows_10_English.htm Du henviser jo til retailversjonen. - Den har jo en helt annen lisensavtale. -Du tror vel ikke at disse aktørene selger retailnøkler som koster 1500+ for en slikk og ingenting? Lenke til kommentar
Thomisa Skrevet 20. september 2019 Forfatter Del Skrevet 20. september 2019 (endret) My bra info. Men dro til elkjøp å kjøpte windows 10 home ? Er generelt ikke noe fan av sånn shadye greier. Syns MS OS er dyrt, men mye i Norge jeg synes er dyrt, men som jeg fortsatt kjøper. Endret 20. september 2019 av Thomisa Lenke til kommentar
Gjest Slettet-t8fn5F Skrevet 20. september 2019 Del Skrevet 20. september 2019 (endret) Du henviser jo til retailversjonen. - Den har jo en helt annen lisensavtale. -Du tror vel ikke at disse aktørene selger retailnøkler som koster 1500+ for en slikk og ingenting? Her er lisensen på min OEM versjon. Se om der er så mye forskjell. Last updated June 2018 MICROSOFT SOFTWARE LICENSE TERMS WINDOWS OPERATING SYSTEM IF YOU LIVE IN (OR IF YOUR PRINCIPAL PLACE OF BUSINESS IS IN) THE UNITED STATES, PLEASE READ THE BINDING ARBITRATION CLAUSE AND CLASS ACTION WAIVER IN SECTION 11. IT AFFECTS HOW DISPUTES ARE RESOLVED. Thank you for choosing Microsoft! 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Class action lawsuits, class-wide arbitrations, private attorney-general actions, and any other proceeding where someone acts in a representative capacity aren’t allowed. Nor is combining individual proceedings without the consent of all parties. “We,” “our,” and “us” includes Microsoft, the device manufacturer, and software installer. a. Disputes covered—everything except IP. The term “dispute” is as broad as it can be. It includes any claim or controversy between you and the device manufacturer or installer, or you and Microsoft, concerning the software, its price, or this agreement, under any legal theory including contract, warranty, tort, statute, or regulation, except disputes relating to the enforcement or validity of your, your licensors’, our, or our licensors’ intellectual property rights. b. Mail a Notice of Dispute first. If you have a dispute and our customer service representatives can’t resolve it, send a Notice of Dispute by U.S. Mail to the device manufacturer or installer, ATTN: LEGAL DEPARTMENT. If your dispute is with Microsoft, mail it to Microsoft Corporation, ATTN: CELA ARBITRATION, One Microsoft Way, Redmond, WA 98052-6399. Tell us your name, address, how to contact you, what the problem is, and what you want. A form is available at (aka.ms/disputeform). We’ll do the same if we have a dispute with you. After 60 days, you or we may start an arbitration if the dispute is unresolved. c. Small claims court option. Instead of mailing a Notice of Dispute, and if you meet the court’s requirements, you may sue us in small claims court in your county of residence (or, if a business, your principal place of business) or our principal place of business—King County, Washington USA if your dispute is with Microsoft. d. Arbitration procedure. The AAA will conduct any arbitration under its Commercial Arbitration Rules (or if you are an individual and use the software for personal or household use, or if the value of the dispute is $75,000 USD or less whether or not you are an individual or how you use the software, its Consumer Arbitration Rules). For more information, see (aka.ms/adr) or call 1-800-778-7879. To start an arbitration, submit the form available at (aka.ms/arbitration) to the AAA; mail a copy to the device manufacturer or installer (or to Microsoft if your dispute is with Microsoft). In a dispute involving $25,000 USD or less, any hearing will be telephonic unless the arbitrator finds good cause to hold an in-person hearing instead. Any in-person hearing will take place in your county of residence (or, if a business, your principal place of business) or our principal place of business—King County, Washington if your dispute is with Microsoft. You choose. The arbitrator may award the same damages to you individually as a court could. The arbitrator may award declaratory or injunctive relief only to you individually to satisfy your individual claim. Under AAA rules, the arbitrator rules on his or her own jurisdiction, including the arbitrability of any claim. But a court has exclusive authority to enforce the prohibition on arbitration on a class-wide basis or in a representative capacity. e. Arbitration fees and payments. (i) Disputes involving $75,000 USD or less. The device manufacturer or installer (or Microsoft if your dispute is with Microsoft) will promptly reimburse your filing fees and pay the AAA’s and arbitrator’s fees and expenses. If you reject our last written settlement offer made before the arbitrator was appointed, your dispute goes all the way to an arbitrator’s decision (called an “award”), and the arbitrator awards you more than this last written offer, the device manufacturer or installer (or Microsoft if your dispute is with Microsoft) will: (1) pay the greater of the award or $1,000 USD; (2) pay your reasonable attorney’s fees, if any; and (3) reimburse any expenses (including expert witness fees and costs) that your attorney reasonably accrues for investigating, preparing, and pursuing your claim in arbitration. (ii) Disputes involving more than $75,000 USD. The AAA rules will govern payment of filing fees and the AAA’s and arbitrator’s fees and expenses. f. Must file within one year. You and we must file in small claims court or arbitration any claim or dispute (except intellectual property disputes — see Section 11.a.) within one year from when it first could be filed. Otherwise, it’s permanently barred. g. Severability. If any part of Section 11 (Binding Arbitration and Class Action Waiver) is found to be illegal or unenforceable, the remainder will remain in effect (with an arbitration award issued before any court proceeding begins), except that if a finding of partial illegality or unenforceability would allow class-wide or representative arbitration, Section 11 will be unenforceable in its entirety. h. Conflict with AAA rules. This agreement governs if it conflicts with the AAA’s Commercial Arbitration Rules or Consumer Arbitration Rules. i. Microsoft as party or third-party beneficiary. If Microsoft is the device manufacturer or if you acquired the software from a retailer, Microsoft is a party to this agreement. Otherwise, Microsoft is not a party but is a third-party beneficiary of your agreement with the device manufacturer or installer to resolve disputes through informal negotiation and arbitration. 12. Governing Law. The laws of the state or country where you live (or, if a business, where your principal place of business is located) govern all claims and disputes concerning the software, its price, or this agreement, including breach of contract claims and claims under consumer protection laws, unfair competition laws, implied warranty laws, for unjust enrichment, and in tort, regardless of conflict of law principles. In the United States, the FAA governs all provisions relating to arbitration. 13. Consumer Rights, Regional Variations. This agreement describes certain legal rights. You may have other rights, including consumer rights, under the laws of your state or country. You may also have rights with respect to the party from which you acquired the software. This agreement does not change those other rights if the laws of your state or country do not permit it to do so. For example, if you acquired the software in one of the below regions, or mandatory country law applies, then the following provisions apply to you: a. Australia. References to “Limited Warranty” are references to the express warranty provided by Microsoft or the device manufacturer or installer. This warranty is given in addition to other rights and remedies you may have under law, including your rights and remedies under the Australian Consumer Law consumer guarantees. Nothing in this agreement limits or changes those rights and remedies. In particular:. (i) the provisions excluding and limiting warranties, guarantees, damages and remedies, and limiting duration of your rights under local laws in Section 9 headed Warranty, Disclaimer, Remedy, Damages and Procedures do not apply to the Australian Consumer Law consumer guarantees and your rights and remedies under them; (ii) support and refund policies referred to in Section 10 are subject to the Australian Consumer Law; (iii) the Australian Consumer Law consumer guarantees apply to the evaluation software described in Section 14 d (ii) and the preview software described in Section 14 d (iv); and (iv) our goods come with guarantees that cannot be excluded under the Australian Consumer Law. In this section, “goods” refers to the software for which Microsoft, the device manufacturer or installer provides the express warranty. You are entitled to a replacement or refund for a major failure and compensation for any other reasonably foreseeable loss or damage. You are also entitled to have the goods repaired or replaced if the goods fail to be of acceptable quality and the failure does not amount to a major failure. To learn more about your rights under the Australian Consumer Law, please review the information at (aka.ms/acl). b. Canada. You may stop receiving updates on your device by turning off Internet access. If and when you re-connect to the Internet, the software will resume checking for and installing updates. c. European Union. The academic use restriction in Section 14.d(i) below does not apply in the jurisdictions listed on this site: (aka.ms/academicuse). d. Germany and Austria. (i) Warranty. The properly licensed software will perform substantially as described in any Microsoft materials that accompany the software. However, the device manufacturer or installer, and Microsoft, give no contractual guarantee in relation to the licensed software. (ii) Limitation of Liability. In case of intentional conduct, gross negligence, claims based on the Product Liability Act, as well as, in case of death or personal or physical injury, the device manufacturer or installer, or Microsoft is liable according to the statutory law. Subject to the preceding sentence, the device manufacturer or installer, or Microsoft will only be liable for slight negligence if the device manufacturer or installer or Microsoft is in breach of such material contractual obligations, the fulfillment of which facilitate the due performance of this agreement, the breach of which would endanger the purpose of this agreement and the compliance with which a party may constantly trust in (so-called "cardinal obligations"). In other cases of slight negligence, the device manufacturer or installer or Microsoft will not be liable for slight negligence. e. Other regions. See (aka.ms/variations) for a current list of regional variations. 14. Additional Notices. a. Networks, data and Internet usage. Some features of the software and services accessed through the software may require your device to access the Internet. Your access and usage (including charges) may be subject to the terms of your cellular or internet provider agreement. Certain features of the software may help you access the Internet more efficiently, but the software’s usage calculations may be different from your service provider’s measurements. You are always responsible for (i) understanding and complying with the terms of your own plans and agreements, and (ii) any issues arising from using or accessing networks, including public/open networks. You may use the software to connect to networks, and to share access information about those networks, only if you have permission to do so. b. H.264/AVC and MPEG-4 visual standards and VC-1 video standards. The software may include H.264/MPEG-4 AVC and/or VC-1 decoding technology. MPEG LA, L.L.C. requires this notice: THIS PRODUCT IS LICENSED UNDER THE AVC, THE VC-1, AND THE MPEG-4 PART 2 VISUAL PATENT PORTFOLIO LICENSES FOR THE PERSONAL AND NON-COMMERCIAL USE OF A CONSUMER TO (i) ENCODE VIDEO IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE ABOVE STANDARDS (“VIDEO STANDARDS”) AND/OR (ii) DECODE AVC, VC-1, AND MPEG-4 PART 2 VIDEO THAT WAS ENCODED BY A CONSUMER ENGAGED IN A PERSONAL AND NON-COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY AND/OR WAS OBTAINED FROM A VIDEO PROVIDER LICENSED TO PROVIDE SUCH VIDEO. NO LICENSE IS GRANTED OR SHALL BE IMPLIED FOR ANY OTHER USE. ADDITIONAL INFORMATION MAY BE OBTAINED FROM MPEG LA, L.L.C. SEE (AKA.MS/MPEGLA). c. Malware protection. Microsoft cares about protecting your device from malware. The software will turn on malware protection if other protection is not installed or has expired. To do so, other antimalware software will be disabled or may have to be removed. d. Limited rights versions. If the software version you acquired is marked or otherwise intended for a specific or limited use, then you may only use it as specified. You may not use such versions of the software for commercial, non-profit, or revenue-generating activities. (i) Academic. For academic use, you must be a student, faculty or staff of an educational institution at the time of purchase. (ii) Evaluation. For evaluation (or test or demonstration) use, you may not sell the software, use it in a live operating environment, or use it after the evaluation period. Notwithstanding anything to the contrary in this Agreement, evaluation software is provided “AS IS” and no warranty, implied or express (including the Limited Warranty), applies to these versions. (iii) NFR. You may not sell software marked as “NFR” or “Not for Resale”. (iv) Preview. You may choose to use preview, insider, beta, or other pre-release versions of the software (“previews”) that Microsoft may make available. You may use previews only up to the software’s expiration date and so long as you comply with all the terms of this agreement. Previews are experimental and may be substantially different from the commercially released version. Notwithstanding anything to the contrary in this agreement, previews are provided “AS IS,” and no warranty, implied or express (including the Limited Warranty), applies to these versions. By installing previews on your device, you may void or impact your device warranty and may not be entitled to support from your device manufacturer or network operator, if applicable. Microsoft is not responsible for any damage thereby caused to you. Microsoft may not provide support services for previews. If you provide Microsoft comments, suggestions or other feedback about the preview (“submission”), you grant Microsoft and its partners rights to use the submission in any way and for any purpose. 15. Entire Agreement. This agreement (together with the printed paper license terms or other terms accompanying any software supplements, updates, and services that are provided by the device manufacturer or installer, or Microsoft, and that you use), and the terms contained in web links listed in this agreement, are the entire agreement for the software and any such supplements, updates, and services (unless the device manufacturer or installer, or Microsoft, provides other terms with such supplements, updates, or services). You can review this agreement after your software is running by going to (aka.ms/useterms) or going to Settings - System - About within the software. You can also review the terms at any of the links in this agreement by typing the URLs into a browser address bar, and you agree to do so. You agree that you will read the terms before using the software or services, including any linked terms. You understand that by using the software and services, you ratify this agreement and the linked terms. There are also informational links in this agreement. The links containing notices and binding terms are: · Microsoft Privacy Statement (aka.ms/privacy) · Microsoft Services Agreement (aka.ms/msa) · Adobe Flash Player License Terms (aka.ms/adobeflash) Endret 20. september 2019 av Slettet-t8fn5F Lenke til kommentar
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