Hva om alt livet startet med livet selv?

[leisanne]

Heisann, bare satt oppe litt sent og begynte å skrive litt om egne tanker omkring begynnelsen av livet, universet og sånt, beklager at det er på engelsk, jeg satt på en annet forum når jeg skrev, hva syns dere så langt om teorien min, takk for at dere leser hvis dere orker:

 

"I will try to explain what I`m thinking about so simple as possible and here it goes, I don`t know, I always imagened life as a swirling form of energy sort of, bright and swirling in empty space and wanting to have a solid body to walk around in on a planet perhaps, because think about it, how would life form out of nothing on a planet and know how to build a psycical body to move around in, there must have been a will to begin with, where did this will come from to begin with, I think it started with the big bang sort of and life started to evolve in empty space and slowly learning how to build planets and rocks to have something solid to move around on, so big bang theory itself is kinda wrong also beause they say it`s just a explosion of energy, I think the logical explaination is that this life form slowly learned how to spread itself throughout space and how to make stones and planets, think about it, what is really matter? I think matter is energy or this life form in a colder sort of form, this life form cools down when away from the sun and forms then solid matter as we know it and can see around us, so spiritual people are perhaps right also since some of them believe everything is one, all matter would become this life again if warm enough but it keeps vibrating on a certain warmth as long as it gets energy from the sun or this life, if you leave matter all alone and not adding energy to it it would just become hard rock as everything else but it keeps being alive from the warmth of the suns, that`s exactly what I think perhaps, that everything started with life and it slowly learned how to build something of a planet to walk around in, of course all life is different from each other but perhaps the source is all the same or the life, the big bang theory is sort of wrong also then, it didn`t start with an explosion, the explosion was just a way to spread life?"

[aklla]

Har du noen beviser her?

Fakta som støtter oppunder det?

[leisanne]

Har du noen beviser her?

Fakta som støtter oppunder det?

 

Nei desverre, var bare noen tanker

[aklla]

Flyttet tråden da det ikke er vitenskap, men filosofi.

[Ribo]

Heisann, bare satt oppe litt sent og begynte å skrive litt om egne tanker omkring begynnelsen av livet, universet og sånt, beklager at det er på engelsk, jeg satt på en annet forum når jeg skrev, hva syns dere så langt om teorien min, takk for at dere leser hvis dere orker:

 

"I will try to explain what I`m thinking about so simple as possible and here it goes, I don`t know, I always imagened life as a swirling form of energy sort of, bright and swirling in empty space and wanting to have a solid body to walk around in on a planet perhaps, because think about it, how would life form out of nothing on a planet and know how to build a psycical body to move around in, there must have been a will to begin with, where did this will come from to begin with, I think it started with the big bang sort of and life started to evolve in empty space and slowly learning how to build planets and rocks to have something solid to move around on, so big bang theory itself is kinda wrong also beause they say it`s just a explosion of energy, I think the logical explaination is that this life form slowly learned how to spread itself throughout space and how to make stones and planets, think about it, what is really matter? I think matter is energy or this life form in a colder sort of form, this life form cools down when away from the sun and forms then solid matter as we know it and can see around us, so spiritual people are perhaps right also since some of them believe everything is one, all matter would become this life again if warm enough but it keeps vibrating on a certain warmth as long as it gets energy from the sun or this life, if you leave matter all alone and not adding energy to it it would just become hard rock as everything else but it keeps being alive from the warmth of the suns, that`s exactly what I think perhaps, that everything started with life and it slowly learned how to build something of a planet to walk around in, of course all life is different from each other but perhaps the source is all the same or the life, the big bang theory is sort of wrong also then, it didn`t start with an explosion, the explosion was just a way to spread life?"

1) Tenkende liv har nok ikke startet i verdensrommet FØR planeter. Du har det nok baklengs. Dannelse av solsystemer er påkrevet for alt liv vi kjenner.

2) BB har ingenting med eksplosjon av energi å gjøre.

3) Hva skjer om du levner noe uten å tilføre energi kommer helt ant på hva du levner. Er  det organisk vil det råtne ellers vil det sannsynligvis bli slik den er. 

4) Alt startet ikke med liv det er ganske enkelt feil og direkte helt umulig. 

5) Det er gjeldene konsensus at all liv på jorden har samme opphav (det utelukker ikke at liv kan ha oppstått flere ganger)

6) BB kan gjerne være feil, men det er den beste forklaringen. Og, nei, den startet ikke med en eksplosjon.

 

Du skal ha for å tenke utenfor boksen, men her syns jeg du datt helt ut av den.

[Gloria]

Minnet meg litt om biocentrism

[Capitan Fracassa]

...because think about it, how would life form out of nothing on a planet and know how to build a psycical body to move around in, there must have been a will to begin with ...

Jeg oppfatter dette som premisset for leisanne sin ide, og vil påpeke at hele premisset er feil.

 

1. Det er ingen som mener at liv er formet fra ingenting. Forskerne har ganske god ide nå om hvordan livet har oppstått av mindre, ikke-levende byggeklosser.

 

2. Det er ingen grunn til å anta at det må ha vært noe liv som visste hvordan det skulle bygge en fysisk kropp. Det at livsformen har gått fra encellet organisme, til flercellete og deretter til mer komplekse livsformer over millioner av år, forklares godt med utviklingsteorien, helt uten noe bevisst plan bak det.

 

3. De vitenskapelige forklaringene klarer seg helt utmerket uten noen vilje. Det er ingen bevisst vilje som får ett oksygenatom til å binde seg med to hydrogenatomer til et vannmolekyl, kun fysiske lover.