Hvordan politikk i USA egentlig fungerer. Showtime!

[AnArv]

Og deres oversettelse av "State of the Union (2019) - What Media Won't Tell You About this Photo!" er...

"Forstå hvordan politikk i USA egentlig fungerer. Showtime!!!"

 

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Får "dere" mange relevante treff av en slik oversettelse, eller er det ren villedning "dere" bedriver?

 

Så du tror ikke at dette vil treffe bedre for de som bor i Norden? Hvor mange vet om "State of the Union" i Norden kontra en overskrift ala; "Forstå hvordan politikk i USA egentlig fungerer. Showtime!!!". Hva tror du fenger mest interesse?

 

Igjen blir du spurt; har du en agenda mot AnArv?

[Omnithunder]

Forstår du at andre kan jobbe i andre tidssoner selv om de bor i Norge og sover akkurat nå?

 

Hva mener du med dette? At du ikke klarte å fremskaffe linken fordi andre jobber i andre tidssoner? Det er du personlig som står ansvarlig for hva du legger ut her på forumet. Her har du faktisk startet en egen tråd basert på en video du/dere har hentet fra YouTube, uten engang å vite hvor den kommer fra. I tillegg til at du/dere presenterer den som noe annet enn den er.

[AnArv]

Hva mener du med dette? At du ikke klarte å fremskaffe linken fordi andre jobber i andre tidssoner? Det er du personlig som står ansvarlig for hva du legger ut her på forumet. Her har du faktisk startet en egen tråd basert på en video du/dere har hentet fra YouTube, uten engang å vite hvor den kommer fra. I tillegg til at du/dere presenterer den som noe annet enn den er.

 

Noen jobber sammen med folk i Japan og USA. Dermed sover de til andre tider enn deg om meg. Ettersom vi mottar så mye materialet er det ikke alltid like lett at man holder oversikten. Derfor fikk du ikke svar med en gang. Er det noen tidsfrist vi har ovenfor deg ift. svar?

 

Hvordan er videoen noe annet enn det den er? Har du lyttet til hva som blir sagt i videoen? Det viser hvilken showbusiness amerikansk politikk er. Om jeg ikke husker helt feil var det nesten tilsvarende uttrykksmåte han som snakket brukte også.

 

Igjen; har du en agenda mot AnArv? Dette er tredje gang jeg spør deg. 

[Omnithunder]

Igjen; har du en agenda mot AnArv? Dette er tredje gang jeg spør deg. 

 

Det vedkommer ikke tråden. Men jeg kan si at jeg er like mye mot deg som jeg er mot enhver annen som kommer med udokumenterte påstander om alt mellom himmel og jord, og samtidig fremsetter det som bevis. Det hjelper heller ikke på at du til stadighet kommer med nedlatende kommentarer om andre. Da får du svar tilbake i en relativt skarp tone.

[Dude12234]

Har brukt tiden etter jul på å prøve å sette meg inn i amerikansk politikk. Jeg begynte med joe rogan.for ja var liksom ikke så interessert er vel heller noe jeg snublet på... Det var om Evergreen College og opptøyene der trode at en del folk ville bli arrestert etter det lille vi fikk se på fjernsyn her... Dette linker direkte til post-modernismen. mer om det senere. Så også en Joe Rogan med alex jones som driver infowars.... Hysterisk løye dersom en ikke tror på noe av det. Fikk eventuelt en anbefaling om å se Q-the plan to save the world... Interessant...

Så fikk jeg paranoide ville øyne som noen sier. Tydeligvis noe i det med at amerikanske interesser arbeider for å lege verden under seg... Men med Trump kom det vistnok noe rusk i maskineriet og en plan som har vert i utvikling siden John F Kennedy sine dager ble satt skikkelig i gang. Av visse folk i bakgrunnen som ikke liker dei andre interessene som har slått rot i FN EU og andre overnasjonale organ... Så akkurat nå virker Amerikansk politikk helt helskrudd da mørkets krefter er i ferd med Å miste kontrolen og sannheten om forferdelige ting har begynt å spre seg som en storm... Til slutt siden filmer vistnok er en ting her er en noenlunde grei innføring i hvordan ting skjer i bakgrunnen av Amerikansk politikk...

[AnArv]

Det vedkommer ikke tråden. Men jeg kan si at jeg er like mye mot deg som jeg er mot enhver annen som kommer med udokumenterte påstander om alt mellom himmel og jord, og samtidig fremsetter det som bevis. Det hjelper heller ikke på at du til stadighet kommer med nedlatende kommentarer om andre. Da får du svar tilbake i en relativt skarp tone.

 

Udokumenterte påstander? Alle påstandene er støttet opp under. Se trådstartene! Problemet for deg er at du ikke liker argumentasjonen. Vi snakker rett ut til andre som ber om det. Akkurat slik du selv beskriver det; i en relativ skap tone.

 

Fint at du vi fikk avklart at du ikke liker oss. Vi forstår hvorfor.

 

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Har brukt tiden etter jul på å prøve å sette meg inn i amerikansk politikk. Jeg begynte med joe rogan.for ja var liksom ikke så interessert er vel heller noe jeg snublet på... Det var om Evergreen College og opptøyene der trode at en del folk ville bli arrestert etter det lille vi fikk se på fjernsyn her... Dette linker direkte til post-modernismen. mer om det senere. Så også en Joe Rogan med alex jones som driver infowars.... Hysterisk løye dersom en ikke tror på noe av det. Fikk eventuelt en anbefaling om å se Q-the plan to save the world... Interessant...

Så fikk jeg paranoide ville øyne som noen sier. Tydeligvis noe i det med at amerikanske interesser arbeider for å lege verden under seg... Men med Trump kom det vistnok noe rusk i maskineriet og en plan som har vert i utvikling siden John F Kennedy sine dager ble satt skikkelig i gang. Av visse folk i bakgrunnen som ikke liker dei andre interessene som har slått rot i FN EU og andre overnasjonale organ... Så akkurat nå virker Amerikansk politikk helt helskrudd da mørkets krefter er i ferd med Å miste kontrolen og sannheten om forferdelige ting har begynt å spre seg som en storm... Til slutt siden filmer vistnok er en ting her er en noenlunde grei innføring i hvordan ting skjer i bakgrunnen av Amerikansk politikk...

 

Ikke følg Joe Rogan og Infowars. De er kjøpt og betalt. Ikke følg QAnon heller. Dette er en avledningsmanøver som gjør at det tar vekk fokuset og tiden din. Donald Trump er dypt i lommene til Zionistene fra ca. 1990 da han nesten gikk konkurs så det han driver med er regissert av noen andre.

Endret 7. februar 2019 av AnArv

[Dude12234]

Her er hvordan post-modernismens stygge vesen startet og begynte å spre seg fra USA til hele verden gjennom universitetene... Det er et kapitell på engelsk fra en bok skrevet for en del år siden(1997).... Hadde led av den I den tiden... Og ja det har med politikk å gjøre for det har utgangs punkt fra sosiale studier noe som er vanlig blant PR HR og politiske ting samt tenketanker........                            

 

Beyond All Reason

The Radical Assault on Truth in American Law

By DANIEL A. FARBER and SUZANNA SHERRY

Oxford University Press

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Radical Multiculturalism and Its Discontents

Postmodernist theory ... is often ponderous rather than playful, and its jargon-filled texts are opaque to all who have not been socialized into its vocabularies. While it derides the idea that American universities should be outposts of British culture, it often has the effect of trying to transform them into the retail outlets for the latest Paris fashions.

--DALE JAMIESON

 

The past twenty years have been a time of great ferment in the academy. An approach sometimes labeled "deconstruction" has swept through universities, altering the landscape in discipline after discipline. The goal of the deconstructionist is to expose, or deconstruct, the underlying subjectivity and indeterminacy of everything we thought we knew. Radical multiculturalists adopt this approach, attempting to deconstruct such fundamental concepts as truth, merit, and law.

 

In scholarship, as in politics, one of the most common sins is to mischaracterize an opponent's position in order to attack it. In the hope of avoiding that failing, we use this chapter to make good on our claims about the positions taken by the radical multiculturalists. To avoid distorting their views, we present their views using their own language whenever possible, either by direct quotation or by integrating some of their distinctive language into our own prose. In the interest of brevity and readability, we have limited many of the direct quotations from their works to a single sentence or less. Readers who are concerned about whether the quotations are taken out of context should keep in mind that we are not quoting a few isolated statements that might have a different meaning in context, but rather a constant theme repeated by many authors and in many different sources. For readers who want to investigate the radicals' writings more fully, the endnotes provide citations for every quotation and paraphrase. Additional documentation of the views of the radical multiculturalists is also found in later chapters.

 

Although we refer to these scholars as multiculturalists, they represent only the most radical wing of progressive multiculturalist scholarship. The unique features of this radical wing have been variously described. The philosopher Charles Taylor distinguishes conventional multiculturalists, who presume that all cultures "have something important to say to all human beings," from radicals who demand "actual judgments of equal worth" for every culture. Diane Ravitch draws a similar distinction between pluralistic multiculturalists, who seek an inclusive common culture, and particularistic multiculturalists, who "insist that no common culture is possible or desirable." According to sociologists Stephan Fuchs and Steven Ward, a similar difference exists between conventional and radical deconstructionists: while the former challenge "only certain moves of certain competitors," the latter want to "play a different game altogether." Law professor William Eskridge, a leader of the gaylegal studies movement, explains that the difference is between people who would "create new and better stories that fit safely within the system of prior narratives" and others who "tear up the manual and start writing anew."

 

The common thread in all these descriptions is that the radicals would jettison our inherited culture in its entirety in the name of empowering the downtrodden. While we focus on somewhat different aspects of culture, we use a similar distinguishing feature to identify radical multiculturalists: dissatisfied with incremental change, they attempt to overturn the foundations of American legal thought.

 

The Origins of Radical Multiculturalism

The radical multiculturalists are located at the intersection of two intellectual trends. They are, first, indirect heirs of the legal realist movement that swept American laws schools from the late 1920s into the 1940s. Spearheaded by such luminaries as Karl Llewellyn at Columbia, and Jerome Frank and Morris Cohen at Yale, the legal realists attacked the formalist notion that law embodies neutral, general principles derivable from cases. The legal realism instead contended, in the words of one commentator, that "law is always the creation of some specific lawmaker, whether legislator, administrator, or judge, and it usually reflects the policy predilections of that lawmaker."

 

The realists contended that legal doctrine was both indeterminate and incoherent: "For each legal rule that led to one result, at least one more rule pointed toward another result." Thus Walter Wheeler Cook of Johns Hopkins remarked that "legal principles--and rules as well--are in the habit of hunting in pairs." Cook argued that two accepted but conflicting principles can always be construed to apply to any given case. Llewellyn similarly maintained that in interpreting statutes, "there are two opposing canons [of construction] on almost any point." By way of illustration, he listed twenty-eight pairs of contradictory principles of statutory interpretation that had been used by courts and set forth in treatises.

 

The realists suggested that judges are actually guided by subjective value choices, which are justified and rationalized in their "neutral" written opinions. The intense concern about the possible ideological tendencies of recent Supreme Court nominees shows that these realist ideas are now broadly accepted. But as anyone who follows the Court's work closely can testify, ideology is actually by no means the whole story; legal arguments can make the critical difference in decisions.

 

Although they believed that legal rules are indeterminate, the realists did not advocate that judges give free rein to their own biases. They suggested that the empirical social sciences should fill the void left by the realist attack on formalism. Instead of the formalists' "artificial logical concepts," realists urged reliance on scientific expertise and empirical data. Robert Maynard Hutchins, a prominent legal realist at Yale who later became the president of the University of Chicago, wrote that scholars ought to do empirical studies to investigate the actual "operation of legal rules." Indeed, one scholar has recently characterized the heart of legal realism not as what realists believed but as what they did: empirical legal research.

 

There was thus an affinity between legal realism and the contemporaneous political events of the New Deal. There is some dispute about the extent to which New Deal lawyers actually put legal realism into practice, but there is little doubt that New Dealers and legal realists shared an emphasis on efficiency, empiricism, and expertise. For all their rejection of formalism, then, the legal realists were not as much interested in societal transformation as they were in efficiency. It was left to the critical legal studies movement (popularly known as CLS) to turn the realist insights to progressive political goals several decades later.

 

Even before CLS, however, legal scholars wrestled with the implications of legal realism. If legal principles are infinitely flexible and decisions depend on what the judge had for breakfast, "law" is just another name for arbitrary discretion. Teaching and writing about rules of law become difficult, frustrating, and ultimately irrelevant activities. In the 1950s and 1960s, legal scholars ultimately restrained the insights of legal realism by focusing on the need for orderly processes to decide legal issues, rather than on substantive legal rules. Herbert Wechsler at Columbia--once a stronghold of legal realism--was a leading proponent of process theory. In his highly influential 1959 article, Toward Neutral Principles of Constitutional Law, he argued that judges must be prepared to explain their decisions by reference to principles that "transcend the case at hand." Unlike legislators, courts are not free to function as "a naked power organ"; they must instead engage in a principled judicial process. "A principled decision," wrote Wechsler, "is one that rests on reasons with respect to all the issues in the case, reasons that in their generality and their neutrality transcend any immediate result that is involved." Formalists had demanded that decisions apply clear rules announced in advance. Process theorists were willing to live without clearcut rules and were prepared to settle instead for a fair process of decision making and a principled explanation for the ultimate decision. For process theorists, a fair hearing before an unbiased, principled tribunal is the best we can reasonably expect from the legal system.

 

Wechsler's article simultaneously helped put to rest any remaining realist sentiments within the legal academy and posed a new problem. For Wechsler went on to apply his theory to the Supreme Court's then-recent decision outlawing segregated schools. That case, Brown v. Board of Education, decided in 1954 by a unanimous Court, provided Wechsler with the "hardest test" of his "belief in principled adjudication." Despite his fondness for the result, he found Brown an ultimately unprincipled decision. Blacks wanted to associate with whites, but many whites did not want to associate with blacks; how could a court choose which side to favor? No neutral principle could justify choosing between the freedom of association denied to blacks by segregation and the "repugnant" association forced on whites by integration. Constitutional scholars would spend at least the next twenty years trying to extricate Brown from Wechsler's critique without undercutting his rejection of legal realism.

 

The failure to formulate a satisfactory version of legal process theory led, perhaps inevitably, to a recycled legal realism. But the CLS revival of legal realism, which began in the late 1970s, differed in several ways from its predecessor. First, as we noted earlier, CLS critiques of law were focused on progressive--even radical--political change rather than on efficient government. Critical legal scholars also recognized and exploited a contradiction within legal realism. As historian G. Edward White has explained, the realist practice of exposing the incoherence and indeterminacy of legal rules conflicted with their attachment to empirical social science: "Why did they assume that while arguments based on legal doctrines were necessarily value laden, arguments based on empirical observation could be value free?" Critical legal scholars abandoned the latter assumption, uncoupling the realists' link between indeterminacy as the problem and social science as the solution. They adopted only the indeterminacy half of the realist program, leaving behind as naive the realist reliance on objective empiricism.

 

Thus, CLS scholars tended to embrace some of the nihilistic potential of legal realism, which the realists themselves had mostly avoided. Mark Tushnet (one of the founders of CLS), for example, once wrote that "critique is all there is." CLS scholars often focused on what came to be known as the "indeterminacy thesis": that "a competent adjudicator can square a decision in favor of either side in any given lawsuit with the existing body of legal rules." Thus, a sufficiently smart judge (or a judge with sufficiently smart law clerks) can always justify deciding a case either way. He can always twist the law enough to justify his decision. Much of CLS scholarship was aimed at deconstructing legal doctrine to show its indeterminacy.

 

One frequent CLS target was the liberal idea of individual rights, which CLS scholars sought to show were unintelligible. In his 1984 Essay on Rights, Tushnet suggested that any appeal to individual rights is a "masquerade." The masquerade is sometimes successful, he continued, "because the language of rights is so open and indeterminate that opposing parties can use the same language to express their positions." Reliance on rights is also dangerous, Tushnet argued, because the same rights that operate on the side of the angels in one case can be used against them in the next case. He gave as an example the extension of the right of free speech to include advertising. The Supreme Court had first invalidated a ban on price advertising in the drug industry, arguing that it deprived consumers of useful information. But in the very next commercial speech case, Tushnet observed, the Court struck down government attempts to help consumers; the Court invalidated limits on the speech rights of a monopolistic utility. The right that seemed so progressive in the first case was turned against progressive causes in the second. Peter Gabel, another critical legal scholar, denounced rights as part of "an ideological framework that coopts [people] into adopting the very consciousness they want to transform." Envisioning individuals as holding rights necessarily presupposes the existence of the government as the grantor of rights, Gabel argued. Thus, he said, the idea of rights subtly "establishes the presumptive political legitimacy of the status quo."

 

This "trashing" of rights had its critics among political progressives. The failure of CLS to recognize the real gains that individual rights theories produced for women and people of color led to a somewhat uneasy alliance between those groups and CLS. As Columbia law professor Patricia Williams, who helped inspire what eventually became critical race theory, put it in 1987: "'Rights' feels so new in the mouths of most black people. It is still so deliciously empowering to say." Kimberle Crenshaw, another prominent critical race theorist who is now a colleague of Williams at Columbia, suggested the next year in the Harvard Law Review that CLS's "`trashing' rights consciousness may have the unintended consequence of disempowering the racially oppressed while leaving white supremacy basically untouched." Discontented with CLS doctrine, progressive lawyers were also frustrated at the legal system's resistance to drastic social change. Eventually, their dissatisfaction ripened into the beginnings of the new radical multiculturalist movement.

 

Some straight white males also moved from CLS into the emerging radical groups. Although relations between CLS and the new groups were mostly cordial, the split did occasion some vituperative rhetoric on both sides. New radical and Georgetown Law School faculty member Gary Peller lambasted his colleague Mark Tushnet as "conservative" and "part of a larger group of white male progressives for whom the recent influx of minority and feminist scholars into legal education has been a source of anxiety." Tushnet responded by suggesting that Peller's attack contained an "oedipal element" compounded by Peller's insecurity about whether his contributions measured up to those of the older generation of CLS. More mildly, one critical race theorist chastised her CLS predecessors because they "exhibit the same proclivities of mainstream scholarship": they "seldom speak to or about Black people."

 

Like most parents and children, CLS and its progeny share some characteristics and differ in others. While CLS and the newer movements share a left-leaning or progressive political outlook, the new movements tend to have a narrower focus. Where CLS deconstructed every part of the law--one of the most famous CLS articles is on eighteenth-century legal scholar William Blackstone and another is on contract law--the new radicals concentrate on race and gender issues, and particularly on how the law creates or contributes to unequal power relations.

 

Critical race theory, according to Crenshaw, "focuses on the relationship between law and racial subordination in American society." Another prominent critical race theorist, Richard Delgado, lists eight themes of critical race scholarship, including "the belief that knowledge and ideas are powerful," a "critical examination of the myths and stories powerful groups use to justify racial subordination," and "criticism of liberal legalisms." He also asserts that critical race scholars must be ready to question the premises of civil rights law and to examine how legal doctrines impede reform. Other theorists assert that radical feminism is similarly an "attempt to describe and critique patriarchal jurisprudence." Likewise, gaylegal studies "investigates a particular but pervasive phenomenon that transcends multiple fields of human identity, experience, and knowledge and that negatively impacts all of our lives and many of our laws."

 

In addition to their focus on race, gender, and sexuality, the new radical multiculturalists expanded the core ideas of CLS by emphasizing the thought of French postmodernists such as Michel Foucault and Jacques Derrida. This meant extending the insight that law is socially constructed into an argument that everything is socially constructed. Peller describes this extension as the crucial difference between old and new radicals: "When left academic politics were about demonstrating how misguided mainstream scholars were--how much smarter the left was--critical legal studies and similar organizations were comfortable places for this left faction. Now that the agenda has begun to consider the social construction of intellectual merit itself, many likely feel threatened."

 

Although CLS was mostly interested in indeterminacy as a way of threatening law's legitimacy, the new radicals were more concerned with how indeterminacy conceals racism and sexism. This view had its roots in another strand of CLS scholarship. Although CLS scholarship had often focused on the inevitable incoherence of legal doctrine, some critical legal scholars also suggested that indeterminacy allowed judges to combine progressive-sounding rhetoric with oppressive results. Thus, legal discourse "conceals and reinforces relations of domination." The late Alan Freeman, for example, argued in one of the earliest CLS articles that antidiscrimination law actually undermined the cause of racial equality and legitimated discrimination.

 

The radical multiculturalists focused on this legitimating function of law, finding confirmation in Foucault's writings. Where some had found doctrinal incoherence, the new radicals found instead a deliberate concentration of power in the white male establishment. Law (as well as everything else) is constructed by the powerful to maintain and enhance their own power. Derrick Bell, for instance, argues that Brown v. Board of Education actually served the interests of whites at least as much as it furthered the interests of blacks. Indeed, he contends that as a general matter, "the interest of blacks in achieving racial equality will be accommodated only when it converges with the interests of whites." Radical feminist Robin West contends that our legal, political, and social cultures are "pervasively misogynist." The radicals thus focus on the roles played by race and gender in the social construction of reality. Their mission is to expose the specific power relations that underlie legal doctrine and practice.

 

The Social Construction of Reality

The radicals' core beliefs go by many names: social constructionism, postmodernism, deconstructionism. Don't let all the isms fool you; their basic theory is both simple and astoundingly powerful. Stated baldly, their thesis is that reality is socially constructed by the powerful in order to perpetuate their own hegemony. As one radical feminist puts it, "feminist analysis begins with the principle that objective reality is a myth." Before you respond that this must be nonsense--that, as the philosopher John Searle notes, Mount Everest exists and is covered with ice and snow at its peak independent of human action or perception--let us explore the more particular claims of the radicals. Most of them, after all, are entirely uninterested in the climatic conditions of Mount Everest, and while their theory might require them to deny the peak's objective reality, they have no particular stake in doing so.

 

What they do have a stake in is making claims about social aspects of the world. Here their claims have greater plausibility. The statement "Mount Everest has snow at its peak" is different from the statement "Farber and Sherry have written a careful and scholarly book," or even the statement "Farber and Sherry are law professors." It isn't simply that a value judgment creeps into the middle statement that isn't present in the other two. Neither statement about the authors makes sense in the absence of particular human institutions: universities, law schools, scholarly books (as opposed to novels, collections of cartoons, or tabloid articles), standards of judgment about appropriate levels of care, and even what it means to "write" a book (which may or may not include using a pen or pencil, and may attribute authorship to only a limited subset of those who contribute to the final product). In that sense the statements necessarily reflect, at best, only a socially constructed truth.

 

But, as Stanley Fish among others has suggested, that reality is socially constructed doesn't tell us much by itself: "If everything is socially constructed then the fact that something ... is socially constructed cannot count as a reason for dismissing it." Tables are socially constructed--they're never found in the wild--but they're certainly real. What difference does it make that reality, or any particular part of it, is socially constructed?

 

Here is where the radical multiculturalists, drawing on Foucault and other modern French thinkers, make their most significant claims. Foucault at times suggested that underlying what counts as objective knowledge is a power relation, one category of people benefiting at the expense of another category of people. The radicals thus see the social construction of reality as a device to reproduce and perpetuate existing hierarchies. Derrick Bell, for example, writes that "law--and by extension, the courts" are "instruments for preserving the status quo" and only "periodically and unpredictably" serve as a "refuge of oppressed people." Our particular American reality, for Bell, is neither random nor generally benign and adaptive: it is constructed so as to benefit those currently in power. Thus it is no coincidence that Wechsler's call for neutral principles coincided with a defense of segregation: our social practices are constructed in such a way that support for the oppressed is perceived as non-neutral. To be neutral is to side with oppression, which is built into the very order of things.

 

The beneficiaries of this covert oppression are usually described as straight white males, or, more pompously, as "the white male establishment." Everyone else is either a victim, a collaborator, or an unwitting dupe. The background assumption of the new radicals is well stated by Richard Delgado: "Racism is ... natural and normal--the ordinary state of affairs.... It is the 'normal science' of our day, part of the baseline, the from-which-we-reason. Conversation begins with racist premises." Jerome Culp also finds racism both pervasive and the root cause of all social ills: "Without the racism of The University of Chicago and Northwestern and Duke University, Cabrini Green cannot exist."

 

Radical feminists take an analogous approach: "With the tools provided by social constructionism, feminists have uncovered the deep connections between our culture's understanding of the human relationship to reality, on the one hand, and our culture's commitment to gender difference and gender oppression, on the other hand." The goal of the radical multiculturalists is thus to expose the racism, sexism, and other pathologies of accepted legal doctrines and social practices, and to suggest changes to help current victims.

 

Radical multiculturalists especially focus on and criticize such concepts as knowledge, reason, and merit. These concepts are both fundamental and seemingly unbiased; they claim a universal validity. All of them involve standards of judgment, which according to the radicals are socially constructed and culturally contingent, and thus suspect. As critical race theorist Alex Johnson writes, "the presumed norm of neutrality actually masks the reality that the Euro-American male's perspective is the background norm or heuristic governing in the normal evaluative context." Stanley Fish, a Milton scholar who holds a joint appointment in the law school and the English department at Duke, similarly contends that "like 'fairness,' 'merit,' and 'free speech,' Reason is a political entity," an "ideologically charged" product of "a decidedly political agenda." Justice, too, is substantively contentless; one critic of the radicals suggests that they view "talk of 'injustice'" as "a rhetorically disguised demand for capitulation."

 

The view that talk about justice merely masks group interests and dominance hierarchies is well illustrated by a passage in Derrick Bell's story, "The Space Traders." This passage, which we mentioned in the Introduction, deserves a closer look. Recall that the story's premise is that aliens offer white Americans great benefits in return for an agreement to allow the aliens to take all of America's blacks away. One of the few groups that courageously takes a stand on behalf of the blacks is the Jews, who denounce the alien proposal as genocidal and form a secret Anne Frank Committee to organize resistance. It all seems very noble, but it turns out there is a hidden agenda that has nothing to do with "injustice" and everything to do with keeping Jews from being at the bottom of the social hierarchy. As Bell explains, "A concern of many Jews not contained in their official condemnations of the Trade offer, was that, in the absence of blacks, Jews could become the scapegoats for a system so reliant on an identifiable group on whose heads less-well-off whites can discharge their hate and frustrations for societal disabilities about which they are unwilling to confront their leaders. Given the German experience, few Jews argued that 'it couldn't happen here.'" Or to put it another way, this purportedly noble claim on behalf of blacks is instead rooted firmly in group self-interest, and a rather ugly interest at that--for it appears that what the Jews really need is to be sure that blacks remain available as targets for white racism. Rather than wanting to rescue blacks from being held hostage by white society, the Jews really want to use them as human shields to fend off gentile attacks. So much for abstractions like morality and justice.

 

This wholesale condemnation of purportedly objective standards stems from the radicals' rejection of the very notion of objectivity. Objectivity itself is a sham, perpetrated by the powerful. Radical feminist Ann Scales describes "the process of objectification: the winner is he who makes his world seem necessary." Or, as another radical feminist puts it: "'objectivity' is only a cover for a male viewpoint." To claim an objective viewpoint is, at best, to mistake a particular for a universal truth. "There is," writes one radical multiculturalist, "no objective reference point, separate from culture and politics, available to distinguish truth from ideology, fact from opinion, or representation from interpretation." We can thus have no universal or common standards of judgment. Anything that masquerades as universal is merely a "mas[k] for the will to political power of dominant hegemonic groups." All "normative orderings ... reflect the views of the powerful," and all "standards are nothing more than structured preferences" of the powerful. One opponent accurately captures the radicals' beliefs: "Rationality, objectivity, accuracy and standards of intellectual quality and merit are slogans or masks of oppression designed to convince the oppressed that subordination is justice."

 

Catharine MacKinnon offers a succinct summary of the radical position:

 

If feminism is a critique of the objective standpoint as male, then we also disavow standard scientific norms as the adequacy criteria for our theory, because the objective standpoint we criticize is the posture of science. In other words, our critique of the objective standpoint as male is a critique of science as a specifically male approach to knowledge. With it, we reject male criteria for verification.

Or, as she puts it a few pages earlier, "the feminist theory of knowledge is inextricable from the feminist critique of male power because the male point of view has forced itself upon the world, and does force itself upon the world, as its way of knowing."

 

The Attack on Knowledge and Merit

At least since the Enlightenment, knowledge has been thought of as universally accessible and objective. Something counts as knowledge not because of its pedigree but because of its content. That the Pope or the president or the New York Times says it does not insulate it from challenge. Moreover, you and I can know the same thing. We can convey that knowledge to others, and we can be persuaded through reason to reassess what we know. Some things even count as "common knowledge."

 

Objectivity is a tricky concept. (Ask any philosopher.) In using the term objective knowledge, we have in mind something more modest than eternal, unchanging truth, or what philosophers sometimes call the God's-eye view of the universe. Knowledge as understood at any given time is not necessarily the same as ultimate truth. We sometimes think we "know" things that seem well-established but turn out not to be true, as when everyone knew that the sun revolved around the earth, or that chocolate caused hyperactivity in children. These things have since been disproved, and we now have knowledge of--or at least a very well-justified belief in--their converses. Knowledge is nevertheless objective in the sense that it reflects something beyond fiat or a parochial viewpoint. We would, for instance, tend to discount an unsupported statement by the chocolate industry denying any relationship between chocolate and hyperactivity. This is because we generally believe that there are independent standards for evaluating claims to knowledge and for mounting challenges to established knowledge. Moreover, these standards are crucial to our common vision of knowledge as both objective and subject to change. What keeps knowledge from being stagnant is its universal vulnerability to challenge. Objectivity is the aspiration to eliminate beliefs based on bias, personal idiosyncracy, fiat, or careless investigation.

 

The radical multiculturalists deny the objectivity of knowledge. As one radical feminist puts it, "knowledge is socially constructed rather than objectively determined." Gary Peller notes that there can be "no neutral theory of knowledge," because knowledge is itself "a function of the ability of the powerful to impose their own views." Another radical--of the religious rather than the feminist or racial camp--suggests that "the allocation of creationism to the marginalized world of subjectivity, and evolution to the privileged world of objectivity, is merely the exercise of social power rather than a natural, value-neutral distinction." In other words, all statements about the world are the equivalent of the chocolate industry's hypothetical statement on hyperactivity: they all reflect the desires of their authors. There is no difference, for the radicals, between the chocolate industry's public relations department and a reputable scientific laboratory, except perhaps in their awareness of the subjectivity of their statements. Peller makes this idea explicit, suggesting that he and other radicals "deny ... that there is a difference between rational, objective representation and interested, biased interpretation."

 

More broadly, radical multiculturalists question the use of such standard tools for expanding knowledge as abstract rationality and linear reasoning. Catharine MacKinnon labels these tools a specifically male approach to knowledge, and Richard Delgado describes them as "what the victors impose." Another radical feminist condemns a preference for statistical and empirical proofs as inherently male. The radicals also reject "narrow evidentiary concepts of relevance and credibility." In the words of one careful scholar of the radical feminist movement: "The Cartesian knower is male. The characteristics associated with the knower--objectivity, reason, universality, intellect--are associated with men." A sympathetic observer notes that the creationist branch of the radical movement sees the cultivation of objective judgment and critical thought as a form of indoctrination. Like all social constructions, the idea of reason cannot be understood in the absence of the background knowledge about power relationships: social constructionism "teaches that terms like ... 'reason and analysis' are uncontroversial only so long as the background assumptions that seem to make their meaning obvious remain unexamined."

 

Even on a level as mundane as library indexing systems, Delgado suggests, hierarchy replicates itself: the absence of entries for hegemony, legitimation, or false consciousness hinders transformative movements like critical race theory. And he concludes that the oversight is not merely accidental. He and his coauthor note approvingly that a radical feminist friend, whom they describe as sophisticated in the ways of patriarchy, blamed her difficulties in researching a particular feminist topic on index categories "rooted in the structure of male-dominated law."

 

Objectivity, reason, and universality are, of course, the crown jewels of our Enlightenment heritage. At least some radicals, following Foucault, directly condemn the Enlightenment itself, as well as its progeny: liberalism and democracy. Delgado suggests that "enlightenment-style Western democracy is ... the source of black people's subordination" and "racism and enlightenment are the same thing." "Enlightenment is to racism," he continues, "as sexuality is to women's oppression--the very means by which we are kept down." He thus recommends that "if you are black or Mexican, you should flee Enlightenment-based democracies like mad, assuming you have any choice." (Strangely enough, actual migration patterns seem to go in the opposite direction.) Foucault also sometimes suggested that liberal democracies are actually more oppressive than medieval despots or even modern totalitarianism.

 

Modernity--the era of the Enlightenment--is over, replaced by postmodernism. University of Texas law professor Sanford Levinson declares that "what Michel Foucault devastatingly labeled 'the monologue of reason' has been, for many contemporary intellectuals, displaced by an emphasis on the socially contingent and power-driven nature of conceptions of reality and the ubiquity of often incommensurable perspectives. No longer can those with even radically different views be facilely denounced as irrational."

 

If reason and knowledge cannot be objective or universal, what is left? For radical multiculturalists, knowledge is intensely personal. Personal perspective, however, is not individual. Instead, it is based on membership in a group. Like everything else, knowledge is also political in the sense that it is a method of maintaining established hierarchies. Knowledge thus cannot be evaluated apart from the social roles--and, in particular, the race and gender--of those who claim to know. Alex Johnson argues accordingly that "society largely constructs social reality," and "matters of race affect this construction."

 

According to the radicals, knowledge is a facet of "mindset": "the bundles of presuppositions, received wisdoms, and shared understandings against a background of which legal and political discourse takes place." (Mindset turns out to be a very powerful concept for justifying changes in legal discourse and even constitutional rules, as we'll see in the next chapter.) Since mindset depends on individual experience, which differs by race and gender, women and people of color have different sorts of knowledge. Indeed, many of the radicals suggest that women and people of color not only know different things, they know them--and communicate them--in different ways.

 

In 1982, Carol Gilligan published an intriguing book, In A Different Voice, in which she asserted that men and women may approach moral questions somewhat differently. Subsequently, scholars in a variety of disciplines, including law, have expanded on and radicalized Gilligan's ideas. Gilligan put forth a rather tentative suggestion--since then subjected to empirical criticism for poor methodology, and later limited and softened somewhat by Gilligan herself--that there may be more than one approach to moral reasoning, and that women may be more inclined than men toward a situational "ethic of care" rather than the use of abstract moral principles. Without further research, many radical scholars have used Gilligan to argue that women have an entire world view that differs substantially from that of men and that is in some sense generally inaccessible to men. Minority scholars, drawing on the feminist literature, have argued that there is also a distinctive "voice of color."

 

The radical claim is more than that life experiences--or even genes--may have a subtle effect on beliefs, attitudes, or approaches. (Indeed, one of us has previously defended that moderate view.) The claim is that some people can know things that others readily cannot. Yale law professor Stephen Carter describes, and criticizes, the radical view: radical multiculturalism "proposes ... that writers who are white and writers who are not are at opposite ends of an unbridgeable chasm, that their experiences of reality diverge so sharply that beyond a certain, limited point, a shared understanding is virtually impossible." Or, as Delgado puts it, when it comes to certain kinds of knowledge, "minority status constitutes virtually a presumption of expertise." Another radical suggests that male scholars should reconsider the legitimacy of their scholarship on feminist topics if feminist women disagree with them. The radicals, in keeping with their view that objectivity is impossible and claims to objectivity are merely power plays in disguise, argue that knowledge itself depends on the race or gender of the knower.

 

Because the scholarship of women and people of color reflects their distinctive knowledge, the radical multiculturalists argue, it cannot be judged or tested by traditional standards. Instead, they imply, it should be judged according to its political effect: it should be judged "in terms of its ability to advance the interests of the outsider community," because "outsider scholarship is often aimed not at understanding the law, but at changing it." Eskridge defends a reconceptualization of scholarship as "community-building." Knowledge and power are thus conflated.

 

The view that knowledge is subjective also affects the methods by which it can or should be communicated. For the radical multiculturalists, knowledge is communicated not so much by dispassionate reasoning as by telling stories that inspire faith. Narratives are powerful means for both creating and destroying mindset. The dominant majority tells "stories" about the world, which although they are accepted as an accurate depiction of reality, are actually just the myths of the powerful. The radicals thus try to explode the dominant myths or received knowledge, disrupt the established order, shatter complacency, and seduce the reader. The goal of scholarship is transformation; knowledge is communicated with a flash of recognition that resonates with the recipient's experience. (Most of these descriptive terms come from their works.) The focus is on rhetoric rather than logic; indeed, rhetoric, according to one radical multiculturalist, is "a magical thing" that "transforms things into their opposites" and makes "difficult choices become obvious."

 

The attack on objectivity also encompasses an attack on the concept of merit. Radical multiculturalists deny that merit standards can ever be fair or objective. They thus reject the possibility that one person could actually be a "better A" than another: any statement of the form "x is better than y" is only another way of saying that the dominant power structure prefers x to y. Merit, therefore, can play no role in accounting for the relative positions of different groups in society. Rather, causation runs in the opposite direction: conceptions of merit are invented by the powerful to reinforce their dominant position. What purport to be neutral standards of merit are simply, tools of social subordination: "merit is not merely contingent, it is racially biased."

 

For example, Harvard law professor Duncan Kennedy, a founder of CLS, has expressed "a pervasive skepticism" about current societal standards: "We just don't believe that it is real 'merit' that institutions measure, anywhere in the system." "Judgments of merit," he says, "are inevitably culturally and ideologically contingent." Thus there can be no objective standard of merit applicable to all groups within the society. Fish states unequivocally that "there is no such thing as intrinsic merit." Note that these statements aren't limited to attacks on particular merit standards as erroneous, nor are they limited to academic standards. All standards, everywhere in society, are merely social constructs.

 

Like other "objective" criteria, moreover, merit standards are created by the powerful to perpetuate their own power: "Any society's elite class will deem what they do well as constitutive of merit, thus assuring that their own positions become even more secure." MacKinnon contends that current standards simply reflect "what white men value about themselves," and another radical feminist describes merit as "defined by white men to reward what white men become." Delgado suggests that standards of merit are merely preferences for favored groups: "Merit is that which I ... use to judge you, the Other. The criteria I use sound suspiciously like a description of me and the place where I stand." He considers merit standards to be "line white people's affirmative action.... A way of keeping their own deficiencies neatly hidden while assuring only people like them get in." Merit, he also says, "is a prominent example" of the "kind of racism evident in facially neutral laws."

 

Similarly, other radicals argue that current standards are a "gate built by a white male hegemony that requires a password in the white man's voice for passage," and that "cultural bias sets standards for performance in terms of the tendencies, skills, or attributes of white America." "Facially objective and disinterested standards," writes Jerome Culp, a critical race theorist at the Duke Law School, "in fact serve the interests of the white majority." Words such as experienced and qualified are, according to Patricia Williams, "con words, shiny mirrors that work to dazzle the eye."

 

Again, these claims raise questions about how to conduct evaluations in the absence of some concept of objective merit standards. Most radical multiculturalists tend not to address this question; they condemn the current standards of evaluation but offer no substitute. Delgado, however, has suggested replacing current merit standards with a standard that guarantees racial and gender proportionality. Williams seems to espouse similarly result-driven changes: she proposes that standards should be restructured "for rather than against--to like rather than to dislike--the participation of black people." Duncan Kennedy once proposed that students should be admitted to law school by lottery, with quotas for various groups. These suggestions affirm the fundamental tenet of radical multiculturalism: that all of reality is socially constructed to create and maintain power. The only way to succeed is to demand more power. In the context of academia, power is defined by having a sufficient number of like-minded colleagues to set the so-called objective standards so as to favor one's own mindset. These proposals by Delgado, Williams, and Kennedy are thus strategies for achieving success in a socially constructed world.

 

If objectivity is a myth, and knowledge and merit are socially constructed, where does that leave those who cling to traditional Enlightenment aspirations? The answer: at some risk of being labeled racists and bigots. Attacking Judge Richard Posner's defense of merit, Culp called him a racist and compared him to "white slaveowners in the antebellum South who were kind to their slaves." Delgado says that "today's most strident meritocrats are the straight-line descendants of the late nineteenth and early twentieth century ones," who were "fascinated by the idea of proving racial differences, particularly ones involving intelligence and cranial capacity." He considers the agenda and arguments of the two generation of meritocrats as "in some respects ... exactly the same." Fish similarly couples racism and objectivity: "Individualism, fairness, merit--these three words are continually in the mouths of our up-to-date, newly respectable bigots who have learned that they need not put on a white hood or bar access to the ballot box in order to secure their ends."

 

We can now summarize the fundamental tenets of the new radical multiculturalism. If the modern era begins with the European Enlightenment, the postmodern era that captivates the radical multiculturalists begins with its rejection. According to the new radicals, the Enlightenment-inspired ideas that have previously structured our world, especially the legal and academic parts of it, are a fraud perpetrated and perpetuated by white males to consolidate their own power. Those who disagree are not only blind but bigoted. The Enlightenment's goal of an objective and reasoned basis for knowledge, merit, truth, justice, and the like is an impossibility: "objectivity," in the sense of standards of judgment that transcend individual perspectives, does not exist. Reason is just another code word for the views of the privileged. The Enlightenment itself merely replaced one socially constructed view of reality with another, mistaking power for knowledge. There is naught but power.

... kanskje på tide med litt sosial dekonstruksjon.

Frykter intet Gud bor i meg og Gud er rundt meg også i deg.

[Skatteflyktning]

tl;dr

[Dude12234]

Ikke følg Joe Rogan og Infowars. De er kjøpt og betalt. Ikke følg QAnon heller. Dette er en avledningsmanøver som gjør at det tar vekk fokuset og tiden din. Donald Trump er dypt i lommene til Zionistene fra ca. 1990 da han nesten gikk konkurs så det han driver med er regissert av noen andre.

 

 

Har sett dette en god del ganger.... Mistenksomt. Joe Rogan har i det siste begynt å... Ja jeg er helt sikker på at han liker DMT og slikt ellers er han som en kamelon som pleier å være hyggelig nok til å få dei fleste i snakk uten noe særlig av egne syn. Alex Jones virker som om han er altfor glad i penger. Qanon.... Syns at jeg leste en post om å finne ut av ting selv... for meg er det bare mer interessant en Green Arrow og slikt. Liker å utforske alt slags syn og meininger fra antifa filmer til ja nazisympatisører på fritiden blir det litt mer sånn spirituele greier.... Om donald trump... Ja er fint om han ikke er fæl men jeg lever i Norge og bryr meg om Norge noen andre får bry seg om verden er ikke akkurat i noen stilling til å gjøre så veldig mye mer av meg en noen innlegg her og der.

Om ikke Trump hva....Har hørt rykter om at hun blei hengt... Vel bare enda mere Fake news.. Det eneste som er å stole på er jo at alt er det

 

Redigering som svar. Stoler mer på å se hele bilder en subtil manipulering gjennom NRK og slikt pleide å tro at det var staten dei tjente... Fra et strategisk synspunkt ga det meining for meg nå har jeg funnet min form for nyheter i kaninhull desto flere desto bedre gir meg ihvertfall mer en et syn på ting. Hvem kunne tro at nyheter kan være moro?

Jeg er et offer for hersketeknik jeg tror jeg leger meg ned og syter jeg er det største offeret noen sine mine forfedre ble jo lagt under dei kristne  

Endret 7. februar 2019 av Dude12234

[AnArv]

 

Ikke følg Joe Rogan og Infowars. De er kjøpt og betalt. Ikke følg QAnon heller. Dette er en avledningsmanøver som gjør at det tar vekk fokuset og tiden din. Donald Trump er dypt i lommene til Zionistene fra ca. 1990 da han nesten gikk konkurs så det han driver med er regissert av noen andre.

 

 

Har sett dette en god del ganger.... Mistenksomt. Joe Rogan har i det siste begynt å... Ja jeg er helt sikker på at han liker DMT og slikt ellers er han som en kamelon som pleier å være hyggelig nok til å få dei fleste i snakk uten noe særlig av egne syn. Alex Jones virker som om han er altfor glad i penger. Qanon.... Syns at jeg leste en post om å finne ut av ting selv... for meg er det bare mer interessant en Green Arrow og slikt. Liker å utforske alt slags syn og meininger fra antifa filmer til ja nazisympatisører på fritiden blir det litt mer sånn spirituele greier.... Om donald trump... Ja er fint om han ikke er fæl men jeg lever i Norge og bryr meg om Norge noen andre får bry seg om verden er ikke akkurat i noen stilling til å gjøre så veldig mye mer av meg en noen innlegg her og der.

Om ikke Trump hva....Har hørt rykter om at hun blei hengt... Vel bare enda mere Fake news.. Det eneste som er å stole på er jo at alt er det

 

 

Problemet er at om du følger Qanon vil du stadig dukke ned i flere og flere kaninhull. Og etterhvert vet du ikke hva du skal tro. Altså da begynner man å tro på en terminologi som "fake news". Dette ble aktivt brukt fordi de nå vil sensurere sosiale plattformer. De har til og med nevnt dette hos NRK. Altså du lever i Norge, men verden og hvordan makten egentlig er fordelt er ikke slik du tror.

 

Joe Rogan og Alex Jones har begge solgt sjelen for rikdom og berømmelse. Nå ser du at Fox news har inntatt høyre siden slik at media tilsynelatende har to fronter. Dette er bare skuespill og vi håper ingen kjøper dette.

 

Husk en ting; det var en gruppe som inntok offerrollen først og ikke uten grunn.

[Reg2000]

Udokumenterte påstander? Alle påstandene er støttet opp under. Se trådstartene! Problemet for deg er at du ikke liker argumentasjonen. 

 

Du vet tydeligvis ikke hva som menes med dokumentasjon for påstandene dine, da du bare refererer til påstander fra konspirasjonstullinger på youtube som om det skulle gi dine egne påstander en form for tyngde.

 

Lær deg heller noe nyttig enn å ødelegge livet ditt ved å høre på det sprøytet der.

Endret 7. februar 2019 av Reg2000

[AnArv]

Du vet tydeligvis ikke hva som menes med dokumentasjon for påstandene dine, da du bare refererer til påstander fra konspirasjonstullinger på youtube som om det skulle gi dine egne påstander en form for tyngde.

 

Lær deg heller noe nyttig enn å ødelegge livet ditt ved å høre på det sprøytet der.

 

Les disse tråden og forsøk igjen!

https://www.diskusjon.no/index.php?showtopic=1835377

https://www.diskusjon.no/index.php?showtopic=1836296

https://www.diskusjon.no/index.php?showtopic=1836002

https://www.diskusjon.no/index.php?showtopic=1836721

[debattklovn]

Les disse tråden og forsøk igjen!

https://www.diskusjon.no/index.php?showtopic=1835377

https://www.diskusjon.no/index.php?showtopic=1836296

https://www.diskusjon.no/index.php?showtopic=1836002

https://www.diskusjon.no/index.php?showtopic=1836721

Nå har det gått et døgn siden en person spurte etter henvisning til originalvideoen Her er et par videoer

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QN-ahNDLfI

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_Slw4xSJNo

Endret 8. februar 2019 av debattklovn

[AnArv]

Nå har det gått et døgn siden en person spurte etter henvisning til originalvideoen. Dere har tydeligvis bare stjelt videoen til andre youtubere uten å spørre om lov. Det er umoralsk, og kanskje også lovstridig. Her er et par videoer som forklarer deg hvorfor det er galt å stjele andres innhold.

 

Nå bør du trå veldig varsom om du ikke vil bli saksøkt! Du vet absolutt ingenting om hvordan vi jobber. Er du klar over at vi donerer penger til noen av kanalene vi henter innhold fra? Vet du at andre kan benytte alt innholdet fra bloggen vår helt vederlagsfritt? Vet du at vi deler dokumenter som har kostet oss store summer å innhente uten noen kompensasjon? Vet du at de fleste som jobber hos oss per definisjon lever under fattigdomsgrensen fordi vi benytter alle midler til å kjempe for vår sak (dette betyr ikke at noen lider, vi har bare helt andre verdier enn de materialistiske).

 

Noen ganger deler andre fra YouTube helt vederlagsfritt også fordi vi kjemper for samme sak.

 

Igjen viser du marxist-kommunistenes sanne ansikt; antagelser og beskyldninger. Du vil en dag betale prisen.

Endret 8. februar 2019 av AnArv

[debattklovn]

Nå bør du trå veldig varsom om du ikke vil bli saksøkt! Du vet absolutt ingenting om hvordan vi jobber. Er du klar over at vi donerer penger til noen av kanalene vi henter innhold fra? Vet du at andre kan benytte alt innholdet fra bloggen vår helt vederlagsfritt? Vet du at vi deler dokumenter som har kostet oss store summer å innhente uten noen kompensasjon? Vet du at de fleste som jobber hos oss per definisjon lever under fattigdomsgrensen fordi vi benytter alle midler til å kjempe for vår sak (dette betyr ikke at noen lider, vi har bare helt andre verdier enn de materialistiske).

 

Noen ganger deler andre fra YouTube helt vederlagsfritt også fordi vi kjemper for samme sak.

 

Igjen viser du marxist-kommunistenes sanne ansikt; antagelser og beskyldninger. Du vil en dag betale prisen.

 

Jeg skriver bare ut i fra hva jeg ser i denne tråden. Det ser ikke ut som at du vet hvor innholdet er tatt fra, og om dere har fått tillatelse eller ikke. Det er normal praksis å oppgi originalkilden. Jeg uttalte meg kanskje litt sterkt, jeg har ikke noe bevis for at dere har stjelt videoen, men jeg får den oppfatningen av å lese innleggene som blir skrevet her. 

 

EDIT: Kanskje du endelig klarer å hoste opp linken til originalinnholdet?

Endret 8. februar 2019 av debattklovn

[AnArv]

Jeg skriver bare ut i fra hva jeg ser i denne tråden. Det ser ikke ut som at du vet hvor innholdet er tatt fra, og om dere har fått tillatelse eller ikke. Det er normal praksis å oppgi originalkilden. Jeg uttalte meg kanskje litt sterkt, jeg har ikke noe bevis for at dere har stjelt videoen, men jeg får den oppfatningen av å lese innleggene som blir skrevet her. 

 

Dette betyr ikke det samme som at vi ikke tar det uten at man enten har lov eller har betalt for dette. La det være helt ettertrykkelig; vi stjeler ikke fra noen. Om det ikke er opplyst i videoene fra de som lager disse eller at godkjennelse er innhentet, blir disse betalt via en sum i donasjon avtalt med rettighetshaver. Vi er mange som innhenter materialet og derfor er det vanskelig ha full oversikt til enhver tid. Du kan godt være uenig med oss i hva vi mener. Helt uproblematisk så lenge vi holder oss til sak. Går det til beskyldninger om vår etikk og moral burde du ha lest nok fra våre innlegg til å vite at slik behandler vi ikke andre mennesker.

 

Om du sjekker tråden finner du originallinken mener jeg. Det var en som fanten før jeg mottok informasjonen. At man er kritisk til YouTube er bra fordi det er mange som sprer mye korrekt informasjon og unnlater touche de viktige emnene, altså kontrollert motstand. Hva man også burde bli oppmerksom på er at det samme gjelder mainstream media, bare at her er misinformasjonen enorm i forhold. Noen av de som sprer feil informasjon via YouTube er litt smartere og vanskeligere for folk å se hvilken agenda de egentlig har.

 

EDIT: Her ser du et eksempel hvor jeg personlig har mottatt godkjennelse og se hvordan vedkommende svarer.

Endret 8. februar 2019 av AnArv

[Omnithunder]

Og da kan den som vil faktisk diskutere hva som blir vist i videoen. Og den som ikke er interessert holde seg utenfor.

 

Om du ser videoen vil du se alle kvinnene ikledd rene KKK-kostymer anført av Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, hvor det blir dokumentert via intervjuer er så lite begavet du kan få et menneske, oppføre seg. 

 

Er kvinnene ikledd rene KKK-kostymer, eller har de bare det til felles at de stiller i hvite jakker? Har du fått med deg hvorfor de stiller i hvite jakker? Mener du virkelig at Cortez er så lite begavet som du kan få et menneske? Du er klar over at hun er den yngste kvinnen som noengang er valgt inn i Kongressen? 

[Omnithunder]

Går det til beskyldninger om vår etikk og moral burde du ha lest nok fra våre innlegg til å vite at slik behandler vi ikke andre mennesker.

 

Og det kommer fra en som kommer med trusler, nedlatende kommentarer og nekter å diskutere med dem som ikke deler sitt eget syn?

 

Edit:

Jeg er langt "off-topic" her, men jeg synes ikke det er riktig at slike ting skal få stå uimotsagt.

Endret 8. februar 2019 av Omnithunder

[fokkeslasken]

Du vil en dag betale prisen.

En anbefaling: Vær mer presis når du skriver. Dette ser veldig ut som en trussel, hvilket jeg mistenker det ikke egentlig var ment som.

[AnArv]

Er kvinnene ikledd rene KKK-kostymer, eller har de bare det til felles at de stiller i hvite jakker? Har du fått med deg hvorfor de stiller i hvite jakker? Mener du virkelig at Cortez er så lite begavet som du kan få et menneske? Du er klar over at hun er den yngste kvinnen som noengang er valgt inn i Kongressen? 

 

Det er jo en hvit dress. Absolutt, om du ser videoen vil du få bekreftet at Cortez her fullstendig blåst i øveretasjen. Hun kan jo ingen verdens ting om politikk og hvordan den er satt opp i USA. Svarer direkte feil på helt elementære spørsmål. Og beviset ligger i videoen hvor du ser henne selv i intervju-situasjoner.

 

At hun som den yngste viser bare hvilke krefter som ligger bak Hillary Clinton som pushet henne igjennom. Hun er tatt i løgn om hvor hun er vokst opp og er en direkte bedrager.

 

 

En anbefaling: Vær mer presis når du skriver. Dette ser veldig ut som en trussel, hvilket jeg mistenker det ikke egentlig var ment som.

Enig. Kan lett mistolkes. Et velment råd om at det er aldri for sent å snu i beste Severin Suveren-stil.