Ny erkjennelse om CO2-utslipp og global oppvarming.

[bshagen]

Tornadoer var billedlig talt, men det forsvant tydeligvis over hodet ditt. Jeg veit også hvordan den vitenskaplige metode fungerer, tror du klimaforskning fører en annen en? Om du drar den statlige konspirasjonsmøkka di nå, så kommer jeg kalle deg et troll igjen.

Ok, her er en artikkel med 15(!) referanser
https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

 

Les referansene, og kom tilbake hit. Om du ikke gjør det, så har du ingenting i denne debatten å gjøre, for det er tydelig at du har en agenda som bunner ut i at du bare ønsker et høyere antall poster og ikke at du faktisk kommer med noe informasjon. Disse referansene burde du greie å lese, er du ikke enig?

Endret 27. desember 2017 av bshagen

[Vaniman]

Vaniman, erkjenner du at temperaturen øker globalt i det heletatt? Har du satt litt inn i hvordan dette virker? Eller er du bare en som sitter med en mening og bare synser på ting som ikke passer sin personlige bias?

EDIT: Og til skattflyktning; jeg gir deg opp helt, du gjør dette bare for sport

Det er vel ikke så mange som benekter at temperaturen har økt noe. Det er ikke det som er spørsmålet. Spørsmålet er om klimaendringene er menneskeskapte eller naturlige. Jeg tror de er naturlige. Hvis det er noe som provoserer deg, så er det din sak. Det er ikke noe jeg bryr meg om. Du skal bare være glad til at ikke alle har de samme meningene som det du selv har, og det skal jeg også være.

Jeg mener også at klimaendringene hovedsakelig er positive, og ikke negative. Når alle som tror at klimaendringene er menneskeskapte, også mener at dette er noe negativt, er det åpenbart noe her som ikke har med vitenskap å gjøre. De som tviler, har jo en tendens til å veie for og imot.

Er forresten ikke enig med dine karakteristikker av Skatteflyktning. Jeg liker ham.

[bshagen]

Du har vært registrert her på forumet siden midten av desember, jeg har diskutert med skatteflykning før du kom inn hit

Så du tror at menneskene ikke er årsaken til oppvarmingen. Hva er årsaken da, tror du?
Foressten, les dette før du svarer:
https://www.ucsusa.org/global-warming/science-and-impacts/science/human-contribution-to-gw-faq.html#.WkQEMCOZPxs

(les hele er du snill) Slike linker og referanser kan jeg gir deg bøttevis av, bare å si ifra

 

Vedrørende om effekten er positiv for oss eller ikke? Hvorfor skal den være det? Vi veit at vannstanden vil øke, da vi ser dette allerede nå, vi veit at dette vil føre til store problemer. Dette er bare ett eksempel, men hva mener du er BRA med global oppvarming?

[Vaniman]

Du har vært registrert her på forumet siden midten av desember, jeg har diskutert med skatteflykning før du kom inn hit

Så du tror at menneskene ikke er årsaken til oppvarmingen. Hva er årsaken da, tror du?

Foressten, les dette før du svarer:https://www.ucsusa.org/global-warming/science-and-impacts/science/human-contribution-to-gw-faq.html#.WkQEMCOZPxs

(les hele er du snill) Slike linker og referanser kan jeg gir deg bøttevis av, bare å si ifra

 

Vedrørende om effekten er positiv for oss eller ikke? Hvorfor skal den være det? Vi veit at vannstanden vil øke, da vi ser dette allerede nå, vi veit at dette vil føre til store problemer. Dette er bare ett eksempel, men hva mener du er BRA med global oppvarming?

Har lest linken. Det er velkjente teorier.

 

Økt temperatur kan ha mange positive effekter. Dødeligheten i Europa er høyere på vinteren enn på sommeren, så det kan være gunstig med varmere temperatur. Det vil være bedre for jordbruket, bosetningen kan gå lengre nord og høyere opp i fjellene, og det kan åpne seg opp en ny shippingleide mellom Europa og Asia, -for å nevne noe.

Det er heller ikke slik at isen i Arktis smelter hvis temperaturen går fra -40 til -38. Eller til -30. Det vil fortsatt være is. Havet har ikke steget. Det finnes fortsatt landheving fra den siste istiden.

[Skatteflyktning]

Tornadoer var billedlig talt, men det forsvant tydeligvis over hodet ditt.

Enkelte har ikke hatt noen problemer med å påstå at tornadoer er forårsaket av AGW så det var ett litt uhelidig valg av metaphor

 

Jeg veit også hvordan den vitenskaplige metode fungerer, tror du klimaforskning fører en annen en? Om du drar den statlige konspirasjonsmøkka di nå, så kommer jeg kalle deg et troll igjen.

Nei, men jeg tror ikke klimapolitikken bryr seg stort med vitenskapelig metode, og der er like mye om ikke mer politikk innen knlmaforskningen enn der er vitenskap.

 

 

Ok, her er en artikkel med 15(!) referanser

https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

 

Les referansene, og kom tilbake hit. Om du ikke gjør det, så har du ingenting i denne debatten å gjøre, for det er tydelig at du har en agenda som bunner ut i at du bare ønsker et høyere antall poster og ikke at du faktisk kommer med noe informasjon. Disse referansene burde du greie å lese, er du ikke enig?

Selvsagt, dog hva er påstandend din som disse artiklene er ment å bygge opp om? Endret 27. desember 2017 av Skatteflyktning

[bshagen]

Havet har ikke steget?



 

 

 

Har lest linken. Det er velkjente teorier.

Ja, og hvor er det de tar feil? Du må liksom komme med noe, kanskje du kan linke litt og komme med litt kilder du også?
Forøvrig, alt det du sier er ting som kan være positivt lokalt. Hva med steder som IKKE ER I NORD?
Du veit, der folk flest bor på denne planteten, fra ekvator og halvveis opp?

Endret 27. desember 2017 av bshagen

[bshagen]

 

Ok, her er en artikkel med 15(!) referanser

https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

 

Les referansene, og kom tilbake hit. Om du ikke gjør det, så har du ingenting i denne debatten å gjøre, for det er tydelig at du har en agenda som bunner ut i at du bare ønsker et høyere antall poster og ikke at du faktisk kommer med noe informasjon. Disse referansene burde du greie å lese, er du ikke enig?

Selvsagt, dog hva er påstandend din som disse artiklene er ment å bygge opp om?

 

At global oppvarming, skapt av oss mennesker, er beviselig. Dette vil du finne i disse referansene

 

[Skatteflyktning]

At global oppvarming, skapt av oss mennesker, er beviselig. Dette vil du finne i disse referansene

 

I hvilken av dem?

[bshagen]

Du kan f.eks gå for #14:
http://www.ccrc.unsw.edu.au/sites/default/files/Copenhagen_Diagnosis_HIGH.pdf

 

Og ellers, greier du ikke å gjøre litt research på egenhånd? Må du ha veiledning til å finne ut av ting selv? 

 

EDIT: Den pdf-en kan være litt stor. Her er en litt lettere en:
http://www.ccrc.unsw.edu.au/sites/default/files/Copenhagen_Diagnosis_LOW.pdf

Endret 27. desember 2017 av bshagen

[Vaniman]

Havet har ikke steget?

 

 

 

 

Har lest linken. Det er velkjente teorier.

Ja, og hvor er det de tar feil? Du må liksom komme med noe, kanskje du kan linke litt og komme med litt kilder du også?

Forøvrig, alt det du sier er ting som kan være positivt lokalt. Hva med steder som IKKE ER I NORD?

Du veit, der folk flest bor på denne planteten, fra ekvator og halvveis opp?

Det er sjelden vitenskapen kan bevise noe. Det meste er teorier. Korrelasjon mellom temperaturøkning og CO2 utslipp er ikke noe bevis, for det finnes korrelasjon mellom temperaturøkning og millioner av andre ting også. Dessuten har temperaturen flatet ut de siste årene, så det finnes ikke engang korrelasjon lenger. Teorien om global oppvarming er en svak teori. Også fordi man ikke kan koble sammen årsak og sammenheng i tid og rom. Det er langt mellom Arktis og verdens industribyer, og 70 % av kloden er dekket av hav, uten bosetning.

 

Grunnen til at mennesker flest bor lenger sør, er nettopp fordi det er kaldere lenger nord. Men hvis det blir varmere, kan bosetningen gå lenger nord. Nye områder og nye ressurser kan bli tilgjengelige.

[bshagen]

Så du benekter, vitenskap også? Og veit du hva en vitenskapelig teori er for noe? Tid og rom, er du i relativitetsteorien nå eller?
Du får komme med noen kilder til ... hva nå enn det er du vil frem til her

[Vaniman]

Så du benekter, vitenskap også? Og veit du hva en vitenskapelig teori er for noe? Tid og rom, er du i relativitetsteorien nå eller?

Du får komme med noen kilder til ... hva nå enn det er du vil frem til her

Hva er det nå du sier? At det ikke eksisterer tid og ikke rom, utenfor relativitetsteorien? Jeg kjenner godt til de vitenskapelige prinsippene, og klimaforskerne bryter dem. Det er derfor så mange reagerer.

[bshagen]

Kom med noen linker da? Kom med noe der du kan vise at klimaforskerne bryter den vitenskaplige metoden og tar feil, slik du her påstår? Du sitter jo bare å påstår, og sier at "ja, dette er kjent materiale - men jeg tror at..." 

[Vaniman]

Kom med noen linker da? Kom med noe der du kan vise at klimaforskerne bryter den vitenskaplige metoden og tar feil, slik du her påstår? Du sitter jo bare å påstår, og sier at "ja, dette er kjent materiale - men jeg tror at..."

 

Du overbeviser ingen med de linkene dine. Du velger dem ut bare for understøtte dine egne teorier, fra klimaforskere som er like lite objektive som Cicero eller Bjerknessenteret. Nå hadde jeg sikkert ikke vært så mye bedre selv, hvis jeg skulle lagt ut det jeg leser og de stedene hvor jeg henter min informasjon fra, som for eksempel klimarealistenes nettsted.

[Skatteflyktning]

Du kan f.eks gå for #14:

http://www.ccrc.unsw.edu.au/sites/default/files/Copenhagen_Diagnosis_HIGH.pdf

 

Og ellers, greier du ikke å gjøre litt research på egenhånd? Må du ha veiledning til å finne ut av ting selv? 

Tja det er IKKE en forskningsrapport, men en IPCC oppsummering fra 2009 Endret 27. desember 2017 av Skatteflyktning

[bshagen]

SF, les sidene 52-58. Les de da, om du vil ha rapportene? Greier du seriøst ikke å finne ut av noen ting selv? Hvordan kan du da ha en mening om dette?
Jeg mener, vi har så mye data nå at det nesten er groteskt, klimaforskning kan sidestilles med andre teorier som evolusjon og relativitet, ja - det er faktisk så mye data

Vaniman, forskning er faktisk det vi har av data. Og synse om det, er ikke. De bloggene du leser er bare piss, de er debunked hele gjengen og de driver med ekstreme former for quote-mining. Potholer54 på youtube burde være en plass du skulle begynne, for det du sier er blant de største klisjene vi har - vitenskapsnekt. Vi ser det samme i trådene som "Jorda er flat" blant annet. Beklager, men så søkt er dette faktisk. 

Men kom igjen, kom med en kilde, så leser jeg hvert eneste ord av det du har på lager

Endret 27. desember 2017 av bshagen

[Vaniman]

SF, les sidene 52-58. Les de da, om du vil ha rapportene? Greier du seriøst ikke å finne ut av noen ting selv? Hvordan kan du da ha en mening om dette?

Jeg mener, vi har så mye data nå at det nesten er groteskt, klimaforskning kan sidestilles med andre teorier som evolusjon og relativitet, ja - det er faktisk så mye data

Vaniman, forskning er faktisk det vi har av data. Og synse om det, er ikke. De bloggene du leser er bare piss, de er debunked hele gjengen og de driver med ekstreme former for quote-mining. Potholer54 på youtube burde være en plass du skulle begynne, for det du sier er blant de største klisjene vi har - vitenskapsnekt. Vi ser det samme i trådene som "Jorda er flat" blant annet. Beklager, men så søkt er dette faktisk.

Men kom igjen, kom med en kilde, så leser jeg hvert eneste ord av det du har på lager

Så du vet hva jeg leser og nå. Voldsomt så mye du vet. Det er jo også interessant å registere at du sier rett ut at du ikke bryr deg om vitenskapelige prinsipper. Men jeg hadde ikke forventet noe annet. Jeg kan likevel prøve å forklare det til deg. Det betyr ikke noe hvem du er eller hvor smart du er. Når observasjonene ikke stemmer med hypotesen, så må hypotesen forkastes.

Forskere som hevder selv at de er objektive, samtidig som de tar et moralsk standpunkt, slik som mange av klimaforskerne gjør, er heller ikke akkurat noe tillitvekkende syn.

Endret 28. desember 2017 av Vaniman

[Skatteflyktning]

SF, les sidene 52-58. Les de da, om du vil ha rapportene? Greier du seriøst ikke å finne ut av noen ting selv? Hvordan kan du da ha en mening om dette?

Det er du som har en sterk mening om dette ikke jeg. Jeg er en skeptisk agnostiker noe som nettopp innebærer at jeg ikke har noen mening.

 

Ettersom det er du som hevder at det er bevist at denne oppvarmingen er menneskeskapt, så er det du som må komme med bevis på dine påstander.

 

Så kanskje på tide at du selv leser igjennom det du foreslår og finner noe som understøtter dine påstander. Så kan du komme tilbake når du har funnet noe.

 

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[herzeleid]

Så det er ting i grafen du er "enig" med og ting du ikke enig med? Wtf? Hva er det du driver med egentlig?

Det er ikke i seg selv noe rart med å akseptere en graf som delvis beskriver paleoklima og det å være septisk til prediksjoner av fremtidens klima. 

[hekomo]

 

Vel, folk som selv mener å sitte på fasiten ser det ut til å være nok av her. Enten i den ene eller andre retningen.

Det er stor forskjell mellom å sitte på fasiten, og det å påpeke at det er mye som tyder på at de som hevder å sitte på fasiten ikke gjør det.

 

Problemet er at når du og andre klimanektere "påpeker" noe så er det basert på løgn, bedrag og kunnskapsløshet. Det dere "påpeker" er altså verdiløst og har ingenting med virkeligheten å gjøre.

 

Det er som når en kreajonist "påpeker" at man mangler et mellomledd mellom ape og menneske. Problemet til kreasjonisten er at det utallige slike mellomledd. Men kreasjonisten er i likhet med klimanekteren både løgnaktig, kunnskapsløs og påståelig, og agriper vitenskapen på sviktende grunnlag.

 

Vel, jeg har flere ganger sagt meg enig i at temperaturen nok har gått opp med ca 0,8C over de siste hundre år, om enn det har stoppet opp de siste to tiårene, noe som ikke burde ha skjedd ifølge IPCCs teorier.

Men det er altså feil. Oppvarmingen har slett ikke stoppet opp de siste to tiårene, og jeg linket til og med til informasjon om dette tidligere. Men du er uimottakelig for faktainformasjon.

Endret 28. desember 2017 av hekomo