Revolusjon i USA?

[jjkoggan]

 

 

 

 

Even accounting for differences in standards of living, average Americans in the 1990s gave more than twice as much of their incomes to charity as the Dutch, almost three times as much as the French, more than five times as much as the Germans, and ten times as much as the Italians. Similar adjustments for differences in tax systems have little impact on the difference in private giving between the U.S. and Europe. In other words, Europeans simply give far less money, privately, than Americans

http://www.philanthropyroundtable.org/topic/excellence_in_philanthropy/are_americans_generous

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I was referring to the Waltons.

I was referring to americans generally, who care very much about the needy and reach into their pockets voluntarily as they always have

The main difference between us is not indifference to the needy but confidence in the government.

Yes, but if the richest don't contribute, any system based on charity will fail!

The richest do give large amounts, just not enough. Then again the state cant give enough either, because poverty is not just lack of resources. Public and private charity can create dependency instead of relieving poverty. Only societies with strong work ethics(and other things) can maintain high levels of income redistribution and economic growth. Multicultural nations with high levels of segregation resist income redistribution and it is doubtful that those experiencing many cultural barriers to integrating into society will keep trying if a comfortable life can be achieved without trying to be productive.

[Shruggie]

 

 

 

 

Even accounting for differences in standards of living, average Americans in the 1990s gave more than twice as much of their incomes to charity as the Dutch, almost three times as much as the French, more than five times as much as the Germans, and ten times as much as the Italians. Similar adjustments for differences in tax systems have little impact on the difference in private giving between the U.S. and Europe. In other words, Europeans simply give far less money, privately, than Americans

http://www.philanthropyroundtable.org/topic/excellence_in_philanthropy/are_americans_generous

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I was referring to the Waltons.

I was referring to americans generally, who care very much about the needy and reach into their pockets voluntarily as they always have

The main difference between us is not indifference to the needy but confidence in the government.

Yes, but if the richest don't contribute, any system based on charity will fail!

The richest do give large amounts, just not enough. Then again the state cant give enough either, because poverty is not just lack of resources. Public and private charity can create dependency instead of relieving poverty. Only societies with strong work ethics(and other things) can maintain high levels of income redistribution and economic growth. Multicultural nations with high levels of segregation resist income redistribution and it is doubtful that those experiencing many cultural barriers to integrating into society will keep trying if a comfortable life can be achieved without trying to be productive.

 

You're right, we should all just kill ourselves. 

[lada1]

 

Tiltakende diskusjon om borgerlønn i USA også.

Jeg mener et godt alternativ til borgerlønnsforslaget er å redusere standard arbeidstid for å fordele arbeidet ut på flere personer. I gamle dager jobbet man 12 timer i døgnet, 6 dager i uka, pluss halve søndagen, dvs ca 80 timer i uka. I dag er vi nede på 37,5. I USA mener jeg det er på tide å vurdere både kortere dager, færre jobbdager i uka og lengre ferier. Dette vil i hvert fall redusere arbedisledigheten og fordele midlene innad i arbeiderklassen jevnere.

 

Men det er som tidligere nevnt ikke der hovedproblemet ligger. Det ligger hos de ekstremt rike som håver inn astronomiske summer på bekostning av arbeiderklassen og samfunnet som helhet.

 

 

Arbeidslivet fungerer allerede i dag mye som en ren fordeling av verdier - ikke bare som produksjon av verdier.

Noen ganger fungerer jobber som negativ verdiproduksjon :-)  Skole er mye et rent "oppholds-sted" for

barn/unge etc - ikke alltid et sted for læring.  Enkelte toppstillinger har noen ganger som hovedfunksjon

å holde talenter nede :-)

 

Her indikerer en at en vesentlig del av amerikansk arbeidsliv bare har hatt en fordelings-funksjon - som

de er i ferd med å avvikle:

 

http://www.nettavisen.no/na24/80-millioner-jobber-i-usa-kan-bli-byttet-ut-med-maskiner/3423159069.html

 

Det er bare et spørsmål om tid før en må revurdere hva "verdiskaping" er for noe - og hvordan

fordelingen skal foregå i en "høyere sivilisasjon". 

 

Jeg skulle her en dag kjøpe praktiske støvler - da fant jeg ut at butikkene tilbyr mest "gimmik", "mote" og shopping-opplevelser.  Det er lite å tjene på noe traust og holdbart.  Verdiskaping?  Jeg ville mye heller ha mye mindre av denne "mikken" - og heller ha forutsigbarhet for å gjøre noe skikkelig.  Flere som drømmer om å komme ut av "slaveriet" :-) ?

Endret 13. november 2015 av lada1

[Simen1]

Nice observations by a Marxist

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=HMiRS7KKrAI#t=954

[Skatteflyktning]

 

I stand corrected, in a sense, however what do you call a guy that claims that Marx was right??

 

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/karl_marx_was_right_20150531

 

 

 

Maybe Vegan??

 

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/saving_the_planet_one_meal_at_a_time_20141109

 

 

Maybe a little besides the point to try to classify the guy within the Socialist space, he may be a Trotskyist, a Maoist, a Pol Potist, Castroist, or whatever label he either fits neatly into (or that he himself chooses).

 

He still had a few good points, no matter how one may label his ideology

[Simen1]

Hvis du skriver norsk så reduseres sjansen for misforståelser.

[Skatteflyktning]

Hvis du skriver norsk så reduseres sjansen for misforståelser.

Beklager, glemte hvilket språk det gikk på her.

 

Det jeg prøvde å påpeke var at vedkommende kom med noen bra poenger, uavhengig av hvilken variant av sosialismen han selv forfekter.

[nebrewfoz]

 

Hvis du skriver norsk så reduseres sjansen for misforståelser.

Beklager, glemte hvilket språk det gikk på her.

 

 

Du trodde et øyeblikk at det gikk i "broken english" ?

[Skatteflyktning]

Du trodde et øyeblikk at det gikk i "broken english" ?

Ja, etter å se filmsutten der vedkommende hevdet å ikke være marxist virket det slik.

 

Jeg får fortsette med brukket norsk isteden.

Endret 13. november 2015 av Skatteflyktning