Den russiske aggresjonen mot Ukraina

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Best evidence Russians are in Ukraine?

How good separatist fighters are

Utdrag >les hele;

Some experts even think that Russian soldiers are responsible now for nearly all the fighting.

While Putin’s government continues to deny any involvement in hostilities, the evidence is overwhelming

Most glaring of all, experts say, is the timeline that would have been required to establish a separatist fighting force as effective as the one that’s fighting Ukrainian government troops now.

The so-called Donetsk republic didn’t exist even as a movement before April 7, and yet it was fighting, and fighting effectively, before summer. That means that within a couple of weeks, the separatists not only had managed to recruit a sizable force, but also had armed it and trained it.

The separatist force isn’t fighting as a ragtag, insurgent force.

It’s mechanized, armored and very well armed.

It shoots a lot of artillery, but doesn’t run out of shells.

It moves, a lot, throughout the region, but doesn’t run out of fuel.

Its troops don’t go hungry and don’t go home during duty.

And when the separatists need reinforcements, those “new recruits” not only arrive but also operate like a unit.

“With NATO, at the most basic level and if all the stars align, it takes us a year to get a private up to this level, meaning highly supervised,” Janzen said. “For the officers, for the more complicated command and coordination aspects, it would require at least five years of training.”

Konrad Muzyka, an analyst who specializes in the Russian military for the consultancy IHS Jane’s Europe, said that if you started with a group of volunteers with past military training, it would still take six months of training to get them into fighting form.

“You want them to fight conventionally against an opponent who is better trained, better equipped and possesses air superiority,” he wrote in an email response to questions. “First and foremost is training. Improving cohesion, interconnectedness and overall ability to conduct joint operations takes time.”

While the Donetsk People’s Republic existed in April, it was occupying government buildings in cities around the Donetsk region, and there was no sign of large-scale military training or even much recruiting.

When the force began fighting, it appeared fully formed.

Janzen said the separatists “know what they’re doing. And what they’re doing is textbook Russian military tactics.”

He added, “You can’t take people off the streets and in a couple months get them to this level of quality.”

The separatists have tried to explain this by saying they’ve been bolstered by vacationing Russian troops.

But Janzen and others noted that the skill of recent assaults would mean entire units chose to vacation together.

And that’s just the shooting part of the battle. The logistical support would have taken even longer to organize.

Further, the weaponry that’s being used, Muzyka said, isn’t easy to come by. For one, the weapons would cost “hundreds of millions of dollars.” Even if the separatists had that kind of money, there’d be problems.

“Make no mistake, in terms of Russian units, what you see now in Ukraine is top of the cream,” he wrote. “You will not find better trained and equipped units in the Russian armed forces.”

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Oliver Bullough @OliverBullough · 14h

About Dugin, the man no one but me (as far as I know) calls "Putin's Rasputin". Read this : https://www.academia.edu/8249892/Putins_Brain_on_Aleksandr_Dugin_ … …

Alexandr Dugin sitater..............

Christo Grozev @christogrozev · Sep 10

- Dugin, 1992: "The true Aryan race will be a race of Nordic militant priests". Eat your heart, Dan Brown. Seriously, scary.

- Dugin, 1992: "The true Aryan is not defined so much by biology, but by his metaphysical mission which finds reflection in his biology"

- Dugin 1997: "I predict the coming to Russia of true, authentic, consistent, fascist fascism" << A true, authentic, consistent prediction.

- Dugin (2000) "The sovereignty of Ukraine is such a negative phenomenon for Russian geopolitics that it can easily lead to military conflict"

- Dugin (2000) An absolute imperative of Russian geopolitics is the total and unlimited control of Black Sea coast from Ukraine to Abkhazia

--- Seems that Ukraine had it coming all along, planned out in Moscow >10 yrs ago; it was just them and we that didn't know it.

 

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Igor Girkin Strelkov sitater (muligens fra pressekonferansen i går)

Christo Grozev @christogrozev · 10h

- Girkin today: "The same evil powers in Russia that causes the demise of USSR are now threatening the demise of the Novorossiya project"

- Girkin "This evil 5th column was shocked by our Russian Spring, which reversed the betrayal by Gorbachev. They betrayed us now again"

- Girkin: "The evil pro-Western powers in Russia set traps for Putin not to send military assistance & enter this shameful compromise in Minsk

- Girkin: "The Ukraine population is under influence by propaganda using NLP and have been turned into zombies".

- Girkin: "5th column is planning a putsch against Putin, and he doesn't see it."

- !!! Girkin: "The 5th column of oligarchs & liberals is planning a Maidan in Russia. I turn my focus on saving Russia from a colored spring"

- !!!! Girkin: "We will not allow one more destruction of Russia, like they did in 1917 with the Empire, and in 1991 with the Soviet Union.

- Girkin: "For now I will abstain from opposition work, as during war, any opposition is equivalent to a putsch"

- Question to Girkin: "Do you plan to run in elections?"

Answer: "I don't believe in elections [awkward pause] See who was elected in Ukraine"

Girkin: "I was asking and received church blessing for all critical actions I did in Ukraine"

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Russlands utenriksminister..............

Christo Grozev @christogrozev · 6h

! Sergey Lavrov: "The concept of democracy does not fit today's Western policies"

 

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Mens Ukraina venter på å starte konstruksjonen av "The Wall" .................

Euromaidan PR @EuromaidanPR · 13h

#Ukrainian border guards are digging 3x3m trench on the border of #Odesa oblast & #Transnistria -http://www.hromadske.od.ua/?p=2311|EMPR pic.twitter.com/NoPxCEUGTM

 

Russland bygget en gang Jernteppet så ikke folk skulle rømme fra landet - nå vil det bli bygget et Jernteppe som beskyttelse mot Kreml..........

THE WALL

 

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Det ser ut til at våpenhvilen holder ......

 

 

Takket være overlegne Russiske detonatorer

 

 

 

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clochette @clochette31000 · 31m

Moscow stifles dissent as soldiers return in coffins http://dailym.ai/1syxjJp via @MailOnline

 

En kortere mer komprimert versjon..........

Jack Stubbs @jc_stubbs · 55m

"That Russian soldiers have died in a war in which they officially have no involvement is a problem in #Russia" - http://reut.rs/1xSfxWb

Utdrag.............

The idea of an outright invasion of eastern Ukraine by Russian troops is highly unpopular in Russia.

A survey by pro-Kremlin pollster Fund of Social Opinions said 57 percent of Russians support the separatist Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics, but only 5 percent support an invasion of Ukrainian territory.

Russian authorities have worked to systematically silence rights workers' complaints over soldiers’ deaths, intimidating those who question the Kremlin's denials that its soldiers are in Ukraine.

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raging.me @raging545 · 2h

RUSSIAN SOLDIERS MOTHERS Looking for sons, please ask Putin or look in mass graves in Ukraine #RussiainvadedUkraine pic.twitter.com/KZgcNW6WVx

raging.me @raging545 · 2h

Russian soldiers killed in Ukraine go as missing& are buried all over Ukraine some at #Saur Tomb,#Ukraine #saurmogila pic.twitter.com/hdVMOH2i84

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Analyse av Russiske styrker - hvor de kommer fra og hva det betyr for Russisk beredskap......

raging.me @raging545 · 1h

Putin pulls best forces for a non-existent war with #Ukraine http://bit.ly/1pWbUEe #RussiainvadedUkraine #UkraineUnderAttack #PutinHuilo

 

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UKRAINE TODAY @uatodaytv · 3h

Sanctions hitting Russia hard: British government #infographic

 

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Ukrainas væpnede styrker får nytt utstyr................

raging.me @raging545 · 13h

Ukraine paratroopers with new equipment,soldiers prepare to head east #Donetsk #Luhansk #Novoazovsk etc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcjN9KpxyT0&list=UUXoJ8kY9zpLBEz-8saaT3ew … #putinhuilo

De får også nye T-64BV1 som sies å være bedre enn Russiske T-72M variasjonene som Russland forer terroristene med.

Og ser vi på publikum i denne demo videoene så ser det ut som noen afrikanske land kanskje får slike også...

http://youtu.be/ypenQZl78nw

 

Og nye håndvåpen - Ukrainsk Fort 221/224 (basert Israelsk modell), 11 (pistoler). Snipers er Fort 301 og pump er Fort 500(?) bygget på lisens.....

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Jeg tror det er omvendt, etter det jeg har hørt. Dette er håndvåpen fra Ukraina og solgt på lisens til Israel (produsert i Israel men med lisens) ...

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Jeg tror det er omvendt, etter det jeg har hørt. Dette er håndvåpen fra Ukraina og solgt på lisens til Israel (produsert i Israel men med lisens) ...

Dette har vært diskutert før og det ser ut som folk ikke kan bli helt enige om hvor de er lisensiert fra/til.

Her er en annen diskusjon enn den jeg linket til som har en annen konklusjon.

Lisensiert fra IMI (?) sier en......

Tavor, ny Uzi, Negev machinegun......

Fort-221 er en versjon av Tavor produsert under lisens i Ukraina.......

osv. osv. https://twitter.com/Ukrainian_State/status/509792243440693249

 

Link til produsenten; http://www.fort.vn.ua/en/products/pump-action-shotguns/fort500-m.html

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Det ser ut til at våpenhvilen holder ......

 

 

Takket være overlegne Russiske detonatorer

 

 

 

Etter mengden av bilder av ueksploderte raketter jeg har sett så burde noen kontakte produsenten å be om å få tilbake pengene på garantien...........dyre saker er det også................

ConflictReporter @MiddleEast_BRK · 3h

 

If you are interested, who shells Ukrainian forces and cities with BM-27 Uragan ... It's the Russians, stupid!

 

 

svarun ‏@svarun_01 3h

@MiddleEast_BRK Silly, that's NOT Uragan projectile, but a can opener delivered by brotherly Russian nation. Very gumanitary! / sarc

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Jeg har dette fra en som tjenestegjør som kaptein i IDF - dog som reservist (han Russeren som bor i Israel som jeg har nevnt tidligere). Ta det for hva det er, personlig har jeg ikke peiling - men rent konkret hva gjelder den bullup rifla, dukket den opp på et bilde fra den militærparaden de hadde i Kiev under selvstendighetsdagen og det var noen som reagerte på at de "så israelske ut" og han nevnte da at Israel produserer de på lisens fra Ukraina.

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Paul Adams @BBCPaulAdams · 2h

Prolonged exchange of mortar fire here on the western edge of Donetsk. Still going on. What's the definition of a ceasefire?

Paul Adams @BBCPaulAdams · 57m

Several hours in the Petrovski district of Donetsk and the sound of gunfire, heavy and light, has veered between intermittent and constant.

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Edit til posten min, jeg tok feil, måtte finne frem hva han skrev og han skrev "Tavor fabrikkeres i Ukraina på lisens" så da husker jeg bare feil

 

http://failheap-challenge.com/showthread.php?16611-Ukraine-aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa-MOTHERLAAAAAAND&p=1153190&viewfull=1#post1153190

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Her igjen taes det opp (i linken) at Kina forbereder seg på krig med Russland............

Елена Петрова @elenapenrova681 · 8h

Китай готовится к войне с Россией - новость из рубрики Политика, актуальная информация, обсуждение ... http://newsland.com/news/detail/id/525069/?_utl_t=fb …

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pete_leonard @pete_leonard · 38m

Crazy Grad fire and unceasing artillery booms in northern Donetsk right now, one assumed aimed at airport. Cease-fire is complete fiction.

Russiske "fredsstyrker" med dårlig overdekket MC skilt..............

Shaun Walker @shaunwalker7 · 48m

By this point v clear that RUS troops/armour are in Ukraine, but if you need 75th smoking gun: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/12/armoured-russian-vehicle-inside-ukraine …

 

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US Mission to NATO @USNATO · 5h

Exercise Rapid Trident: 1300 military personnel, 15 nations in northwestern Ukraine: http://goo.gl/WnxbTp @US_EUCOM

ConflictReporter @MiddleEast_BRK · 30m

#Sweet! @bundeswehrInfo Leopard-2 main battle tanks, reportedly seen near #Lviv. Just for @NATO exercise of course.

 

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