David Moyes - Arbeidsledig

[Roger Roger]

Mirallas: David Moyes played me out of position.

 

http://royalbluemersey.sbnation.com/2014/2/3/5373536/kevin-mirallas-david-moyes-played-me-out-of-position

 

Ikke bare i United han misbrukte spillere i posisjoner de var ukomfortable i altså.

[Patrick123]

Hvorfor gå for kvalitet når man kan få en dårlig versjon av SAF. Er jo enkel logikk det.

 

I motsetning til deg så liker jeg ikke stilen til Mourinho og vil ikke se han i United-stolen. Han er ikke den typen jeg forbinder med klubben, det er altfor mye bråk rundt han.

[Alt-Ctrl]

Er vi virkelig kommet dit at vi ønsker Mourinho som manager?

[Jotun]

Huff.... Hadde jo muligens vært kanon i de to sesongene han hadde giddet/fått lov å være i klubben før han kom på kant med en eller annen.....

[Patrick123]

Wenger er vel snart ferdig i Arsenal...?

[Hansoen]

 

Hvorfor gå for kvalitet når man kan få en dårlig versjon av SAF. Er jo enkel logikk det.

 

I motsetning til deg så liker jeg ikke stilen til Mourinho og vil ikke se han i United-stolen. Han er ikke den typen jeg forbinder med klubben, det er altfor mye bråk rundt han.

 

Jeg liker ikke stilen til Mourinho i det hele tatt. Jeg liker den bare mer enn stilen til Moyes.

[oOF]

I motsetning til deg så liker jeg ikke stilen til Mourinho og vil ikke se han i United-stolen. Han er ikke den typen jeg forbinder med klubben, det er altfor mye bråk rundt han.

 

 

Nåja, det var ikke akkurat slik at det var lydløst rundt/om/av herr Ferguson, heller

Endret 4. februar 2014 av oOF

[Latias]

Laudrup ledig, tar han uten å blunke.

[Mr. President™]

^Enig.

[Latias]

Kun åtte managere som har sittet lengre enn Moyes. Med denne utviklingen er han lett topp 3 i løpet av året.

[Gjest medlem-105082]

Ender han opp som nummer 2 bak Wenger, så er jeg fornøyd.

[Hansoen]

Laudrup er jo drømmen nå!

 

Wait what?

[Stonemeister]

Kun åtte managere som har sittet lengre enn Moyes. Med denne utviklingen er han lett topp 3 i løpet av året.

Med andre ord er det alt annet enn utålmodig etter PL-standard å gi Moyes fyken snarest. Vil påstå at Meulensteen er den eneste manageren som har gjort en dårligere jobb enn Moyes så langt, og det kan endres på søndag.

 

Kan umulig være lenge igjen for Dithering Dave om det blir tap mot Fulham. Sitter her og teller dager. Eneste som gir meg håp for fremtiden.

[Latias]

Group 1

There are those that railed against Moyes appointment the very moment it was made, back on 9th May last year. Only nine months (or a lifetime) ago. They objected immediately to his appointment, making their feelings known within days or even hours of the announcement. It was more than impulsive disapproval. It would have been understandable for unfamiliarity to have played a part Fergie had gone, abruptly, and you would expect some knee-jerk reactions to the new guy, particularly following such a prolonged and successful tenure as Fergusons. Mostly, though, their negativity towards Moyes being handed the keys to Old Trafford were based in something far more concrete: they simply didnt rate him. He wasnt good enough. He couldnt, and wouldnt, succeed. His record at Everton was admirable yet unremarkable: a decade of solidity and relative consistency, marred by an inescapable zero in the trophies column. His record in the transfer market brought its own scrutiny too. Enough shrewd purchases to offer encouragement, but some expensive mistakes to cause concern. Rather mystifyingly, his lack of European experience was considered insignificant by the board who elected him, the same board who had described it as a pre-requisite prior to Fergusons departure. Those supporters were clear in their own minds already: cries of Moyes Out began before he was barely In.

 

Group 2

The second group of supporters, although largely unimpressed with the new manager, reacted more open-mindedly. Underwhelmed and concerned by the selection of Moyes, they struggled to predict success but nevertheless got behind the new manager and allowed him time to cast their doubts aside. The disastrous and embarrassing transfer window that ensued did little to allay their fears and maybe 2 wins from 7 pre-season games didnt help either before the new season finally commenced. Uniteds lack of luck has been well-documented this season and it arguably began all the way back in June, the morning the league fixtures were revealed. If there ever was a year United needed a season they could ease into, it was this one. Nothing was going to be easy but the early run of fixtures that United had to deal with were particularly galling, with Chelsea, Liverpool and Man City served up in the first five games. The chances of constructing a confidence-boosting run of results from the seasons inception were severally hampered. And so it proved, with United managing to scrape just a solitary point from the matches against their rivals, culminating in yet another morale-sapping demolition by those damn noisy neighbours.

 

As disappointing as that sequence of results was, the difficulty of the opponents was enough of a mitigating factor for the supporters to anticipate the following games would finally ignite Uniteds season. But then the problems really started. A defeat to West Brom, dropped points against Southampton and Cardiff, and two insipid home defeats to Everton and Newcastle were enough to set alarm bells ringing. With a few notable exceptions, performances ranged from functional to desperate, with enough low-points to shred all remaining confidence and positivity. The call for change grew louder.

 

Group 3

The third group is where I reluctantly find myself. I was never euphoric about the appointment of Moyes, but I was happy enough with it too. I could see the reason for it, could see how it could work. The qualities that were evident in his management and personality his single-mindedness, his work-rate and dedication, the confidence he had in his own ability would furnish him with a strong chance of succeeding in what would unquestionably be a difficult and challenging role. Ferguson, a man whos not often wrong, clearly had a significant role in selecting in the new manager, perhaps seeking and recognising qualities of himself, though its strange how it seems to have been reduced a two-horse between Moyes and Mourinho. In what has become such a global game, you would expect Uniteds net to be cast much wider. If it wasnt, there is, surely, a strange contradiction in their current pursuit of players, continually insisting a club of Uniteds stature should only recruit the very best talents from around the world. Its odd why that stance that did not appear to apply when considering a new manager.

 

My expectations for the season were realistic a top three or four finish rather than a title challenge. I wrote this last July:

 

The most important thing next season is to see Moyes convince in his role and witness a team emerging under his leadership, one that is able to absorb his ideas and demonstrate the cohesiveness, desire and will to win that characterised Sir Alexs reign.

 

As frustrated as I was by the transfer farce of last summer, and disappointed by the miserable start to the season, I retained both hope and expectation that teething problems would be cured and results and performance would substantially improve. Even as United continued to struggle, I was confident it was only a matter of time before the team found and sustained their form. I kept thinking the same things. We would finally sign those much-needed defensive and midfield reinforcements in January. We would get our injured players back. We would restore confidence, climb the table and clamber back into the top four.

 

................

 

And thats my concern. The failure to adapt. Or learn. Its not just the Stoke game but its typical of the season as a whole. The look of helplessness on Moyes face on Saturday was hard to ignore, as the same predictable tactics he persists with failed to work once more and he had no idea how to change it, an admission he made after the match. I can handle bad results, and shabby performances, and even a disappointing season, but the managers clear failure to identify what the problems are is what has cast the biggest doubts he is the man to lead our club. There has been bad luck, injuries, under-performing individuals and a squad with weaknesses, but they are factors of games that have already occurred. A failure or refusal to adapt tactically is something that will be a factor of all games to come, this season and beyond, irrespective of which new players are signed. And thats why I think even this group of supporters are starting to lose faith. I havent given up on Moyes but I have an increasing number of doubts. Ill get behind him as long as hes the manager, and Id love him to succeed, I really would, but, if United are to compete with the elite once more, I simply cant deny a change may be necessary as soon as the summer.

 

Group 4

The fourth group, the people who have retained utmost faith in Moyes, will hopefully turn out to be right. That we just need to be patient, that we need to give it another year, eighteen months, two years. That Moyes will learn, and change, and adapt. Theres a belief that United dont sack managers which is a fallacy, Ferguson is the notable exception, rather than the rule but its right that no-one wants to copy Chelseas blueprint for continual change. Its entirely right to fully back a manager, to stick by him no matter what and know it will work out eventually but only if you are utterly convinced that he is the right man for the job. I sincerely hope he is, but thats the hard part now. Im not sure anymore what it is that makes them so sure of that. Theres really not a lot left to cling onto.

Hvilken gruppe tilhører dere? Gruppe 2 på meg.

[Patrick123]

Gruppe 3 her.

[Coffee Break]

Gruppe 3, ja.

[Espp]

En blanding av 3 og 4. Jeg trodde virkelig vi valgte rett manager, men er enige i mye av det som skrives i gruppe 3.

[Stonemeister]

Midt mellom gruppe 2 og 3. Selv om Moyes var et stykke ned på listen over hvem jeg ville ha inn dro jeg konklusjonen: "Han gjorde det bra med lite midler i Everton, derfor bør han gjøre det desto bedre med mye midler i United."

 

I ettertid har jeg imidlertid skjønt at de i gruppe 1 hadde et poeng. Etterpåklokskapen lenge leve.

[Jonas2k]

Gruppe 3 her.

[Hansoen]

Mellom gruppe 1 og gruppe 2 på meg, kanskje med en liten overvekt å gruppe 2.