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Har det noen gang slått folk at å hevde inkompetanse ikke er et særlig godt forsvar mot beskyldninger om løgn?

Det er det absolutt.

Endret 11. september 2013 av Priim

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Og poenget hans var at de som stemmer er "idioter"? Uansett dette er off topic og en meningsløs diskusjon så vi ender den der.

 

Tja, om man skal følge den opprinnelige betydningen av ordet så innebærer det alle som ikke deltar i styringen av Staten (altså idag alle som ikke er politikere)

 

 

ἰδι^ώτ-ης , ου, ὁ, (ἴδιος)

A.private person, individual, opp. the State, ξυμφέροντα καὶ πόλεσι καὶ ἰδιώταις Th.1.124, cf. 3.10, SIG37.3 (Teos, v B.C.), Pl.Smp.185b, X.Vect.4.18, etc.; opp. γένος, SIG1013.6 (Chios, iv B.C.); opp. φατρία, ib.987.28 (ibid., iv B.C.).

II. one in a private station, opp. to one holding public office, or taking part in public affairs, Hdt.1.59,123, al., cf. Decr. ap.And.1.84, Th.4.2, etc.; opp. βασιλεύς, Hdt.7.3; opp. ἄρχων, Lys.5.3, Pl.Plt.259b, SIG305.71 (iv B.C.); opp. δικαστής, Antipho 6.24; opp. πολιτευόμενος, D.10.70; opp. ῥήτωρ, Hyp.Eux.27; private soldier, opp. στρατηγός, X.An.1.3.11, cf.PHib.1.30.21 (iii B.C.); layman, opp. priest, OGI90.52 (Rosetta, ii B.C.), PGnom.200 (ii A.D.), 1 Ep.Cor.14.16: as Adj., ἰ. ἄνδρες Hdt.1.32,70, Th.1.115; ἰ. θεοί homely (with play on ἴδιος), Ar.Ra.891.

2. common man, plebeian, οἱ ἰ. καὶ πένητες Plu.Thes.24; ἰ. καὶ εὐτελής, opp. βασιλεύς, Hdn.4.10.2.

3. as Adj., ἰ. βίος private station, Pl.R.578c; ἰ. λόγος everyday speech, D.H.Dem.2, cf. Longin.31.2.

III. one who has no professional knowledge, layman, καὶ ἰατρὸς καὶ ἰ. Th.2.48, cf. Hp.VM 4, Pl.Tht.178c, Lg.933d; ἰ. ἤ τινα τέχνην ἔχων Id.Sph.221c; of prose-writers, ἐν μέτρῳ ὡς ποιητής, ἢ ἄνευ μέτρου ὡς ἰ. Id.Phdr.258d, cf. Smp.178b; ἰ. καὶ μηδὲν αὐλήσεως ἐπαΐων Id.Prt.327c; opp. to a professed orator, Isoc.4.11; to a trained soldier, X.Eq.Mag.8.1; ἰδιώτας, ὡς εἰπεῖν, χειροτέχναις -νας codd.) ἀνταγωνισαμένους Th.6.72; opp. ἀσκητής, X.Mem.3.7.7, cf. 12.1; opp. ἀθλητής, Arist.EN 1116b13; opp. a professed philosopher, Id.Pol.1266a31, Phld.Lib. p.5<*> O., D.1.25; in Music, Id.Mus.p.42 K.; opp. δημιουργός, Pl.Prt. 312a, Thg.124c: as Adj., ὁ ἰ. ὄχλος, opp. artificers, Plu.Per.12.

2. c. gen. rei, unpractised, unskilled in a thing, ἰατρικῆς Pl.Prt.345a, cf. Ti.20a; ἔργου X.Oec.3.9; ἰ. κατὰ τοὺς πόνους, κατὰ τὸν ὕπνον, Id.Cyr. 1.5.11; ἰ. τὰ ἄλλα Hdn.4.12.1; ἰ. ὡς πρὸς ἡμᾶς ἀγωνίζεσθαι X.Cyr. l.c., cf. Luc.Herm.81.

3. generally, raw hand, ignoramus, ἄν τε δεινοὶ λάχωσιν ἄν τε ἰδιῶται . . D.4.35; παιδάρια καὶ ἰ., of slaves, S.E. M.1.234 (cf. ἰ. οἰκέται Luc.Alex.30); ἀμαθὴς καὶ ἰ., opp. τεχνίτης, Id.Ind.29; voc. ἰδιῶτα, as a term of abuse, Men.Sam.71.

4. 'average man', opp. a person of distinction, Plu.2.1104a.

IV. ἰδιῶται, οἱ, one's own countrymen, opp. ξένοι, Ar.Ra.459.

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