Helvete -- paradis?

[Abigor]

Ateisme har ingenting typisk ved seg. Det har bare en karakteristikk: Fravær av gudetro.

 

Ateistiske åndelige verdier kan være akkurat hva som helst.

[Gjest Bruker-95147]

Jeg tar sjansen på å spørre litt dumt - blir ikke det en selvmotsigelse?

 

åndelig a2 (jf norr and(a)ligr)

1 sjelelig, mots legemlig være godt utrustet både å- og kroppslig / å- og materiell kultur

2 religiøs, mots verdslig å-e sanger / samtale om å-e ting

[Abigor]

På hvilken måte er det selvmotsigende?

 

Ateisme står helt nøytralt til sjel, kultur, religion, sang og andre ting.

 

Ateisme sier bare en eneste ting: Fravær av gudetro.

 

Det er som å si at en politiker er selvmotsigende fordi den spiller musikk.

[O3K]

Kan du gi noen eksempler på typiske" ateistiske åndelige verdier"?

 

Jeg beklager det sene svaret, men jeg har ikke vært pålogget på Diskusjon.no på en stund.

 

Jeg kan ikke gi deg eksempler på "typiske ateistiske åndelige verdier", på samme måte som du ikke kan gi meg eksempler på "typisk kultur blant mennesker som ikke er svenske".

 

Jeg ser ikke hvordan teisme skulle være et slags minimumskrav for å kunne ha åndelige verdier. Ateisme er jo ikke synonymt med ikke-religiøs heller. Selv synes jeg at New-Age'ere er langt mer åndelige av seg enn hva teister er.

Endret 25. juli 2012 av O3K

[Strappado]

http://tucsoncitizen...rtured-in-hell/

 

Atheist wants to know why Christians express joy in knowing their friends are going to be tortured in hell!?

by Don Lacey on Aug. 11, 2012, under Atheism, Biblical Inerrancy, Christian Self-Righteous Arrogance, Christianity, Critical Thinking, Education, Ethics, Faith, Freethought, Fundamentalism, God & Bible, Logic, Question of the Day!, Reason, Religion, Sanity, Willful Ignorance

 

 

Jim Wilson, for this argument, assumes there is a Christian God and a hell. He then examines the character of those Christians that seem to take pleasure in telling their friends that they’re going to tortured forever:

I have had Christians tell me things like, “Your time will come! You will have to face God’s judgment! It’ll be fun seeing you try to weasel out of your judgment but it will not help you. For all things you said, you will suffer forever. Remember my words! I will take pleasure in God’s judgment, and the pain he will rain upon you!”

 

Isn’t it interesting how this supposed religion of peace and love turns seemingly nice people into the nastiest kinds of sadists? Seriously, what kind of sick freaks find so much pleasure in the torture of others? I have had Christians tell me that they wish they could see pathetic little me facing God’s wrath so they can laugh. There are no people nastier than one’s who think their nastiness has heavenly approval.

 

Most of us know at least some Atheists, Agnostics, Hindus, Jews, Pagans or others who know of Christianity, but reject it. We consider these people to be among our friends, family, and neighbors. While the people we know may not be perfect, overall they are usually kind, decent people who are not out to hurt anyone. Yet, the Christian is forced to believe that all of these people are so horrible that they not only can but should be tortured forever. They seem to delight in this judgment.

 

If you are a Christian in this country, it is likely that you have at least some friends or loved ones who do not share your beliefs even if they have never told you so. You may have known and cared for these people for much of your life. You may know them to be kind, loving people who have gone most of their lives never wanting to hurt anyone. They feel remorse if they ever do. As a Christian, are you are expected to take joy in God’s decision to sentence them to eternal torture?

 

The very idea that anyone could be happy in a heaven while their friends and loved ones are tortured forever is utterly mind-blowing. If I thought that any of my loved ones were being tortured, I could not possibly be happy. Some traditions apparently have the people in heaven looking down upon people they know in hell as they are tortured. They apparently take pleasure in seeing this. This shows how truly sick Christianity really is.

Christianity has long had traditions about the horrible things that will be done to people in hell. They believe demons and hell beasts engage in all sorts of endless bodily torture of people. For example adulterers, I am told, will apparently have their genitals ripped off by monstrous creatures wielding giant pokers. Adulterers of course are defined as anyone who has ever looked at a woman lustfully which is nearly all heterosexual men who ever lived and many women.

 

Hell is a very real place for many believers. They seriously think that after I die I will go to this place which is far worse than anything the nastiest dictatorships ever created and be tortured there forever. For many, it is tied up in their sense of justice. After all, we like the notion of mass murderers and rapists being tortured forever for what they have done. This makes the universe seem more just to us. Unfortunately, the Christian God happily forgives murder, rape, theft, child abuse, and all the crimes that most of us think deserve punishment. Disbelief is the one sin that is sure to land someone in hell.

 

I love kindness for its own sake. It’s best to be helpful to others with no expectation of award of any kind and yet I am told by Christians that I should be tortured forever because of my willingness to question their God’s existence and authority. Willingness to question things is something that should be celebrated rather than punished.

 

Of course, you could say God is not sending me to hell, I am, but this strikes me as arguing that I made the mugger shoot me by not giving him my wallet. This God, we are told, made hell and set up the criteria by which one is sent there. The fact that people question his supposed criteria is a good thing. It is certainly not something they should be endless tortured for. I will go on the record of saying any God who would send me to hell does not deserve anyone’s worship.