Xbox One-kaféen

[Andrull]

HDMI-kabelen som fulgte med Premium boksen min bruker jeg faktisk den dag i dag, så MS levert varene tilbake den gang ihvertfall Jeg har faktisk enda til gode å ødelegge en HDMI-kabel, teknisk kvalitetsmessig er det ingen forskjeller her. Så alt i alt er de tjo byggekvaliteten som teller

 

Xbox One er allerede bestilt, så jeg får heller se meg om etter ett headset når den tid kommer. Selv om jeg mener dette er en selvfølge å levere med konsollen, men det får så våre.

Ja, det er jo bra.

For jeg tror jeg har nok DVI og HDMI kabler som ikke fungerer, til å fylle et skap fullt.

Endret 14. juni 2013 av Andrull

[samco]

Eg bestilte Xbox One på MS store, eg bestiller ingen spill enn så lenge i håp at de selger nedlastbare spill fra dag en, regner med det blir det samme når det kommer til deling av spill, gjelder vel alt av spillbibliotek og ikke bare fysiske versjoner.

 

Ja virker sånn

[Mala]

Noen ord fra en anonym kar som visstnok er i fra innad i systemet, ekte eller ei!

 

http://www.neowin.ne...-one-intentions

 

Legger ut om tanken bak DRM-systemet og ønsket om heldigital distrubisjon.

 

Lite utdrag, hele greiene ligger under her .

 

" >Current plan is basically you're fucked after 24 hours. Yeah... I know. Kind of sucks. I believe they will probably revist the time period and / or find a diff way to "call in" to ensure you haven't sold your license to gamestop or something... but there is no plan YET. I'm hoping the change it, but I don't work on that so I don't have much influence there /sigh

 

>If the power goes out you ain't playing shit. I'm assuming you mean the internet goes out but you have power for TV and Xbox. Yes, You're fucked for single player games. Again, that's the PoR (Plan of record), but I expect it to change after the e3 clusterfuck

 

>What fee? There is no fee to play your games at your friends house. Never has, never will. Even x360 digital downloads could do that."

 

 

 

 

 

>The thing is we suck at telling the story. The whole point of the DRM switch from disc based to cloud based is to kill disc swapping, scratched discs, bringing discs to friends house, trade-ins for shit value with nothign going back to developers, and high game costs. If you want games cheaper then 59.99, you have to limit used games somehow. Steam's model requires a limited used game model.

 

>The thing is, the DRM is really really similar to steam... You can login anywhere and play your games, anyone in your house can play with the family xbox. The only diff is steam you have to sign in before playing, and Xbox does it automatically at night for you (once per 24 hours)

 

>It's a long tail strategy, just like steam. Steam had it's growing pains at the beginning with all it's drm shit as well. [...] For digital downloads steam had no real competition at the time, they were competing against boxed sales. At the time people were pretty irate about steam, (on 4chan too...) It was only once they had a digital marketplace with DRM that was locked down to prevent sharing that they could do super discounted shit.

 

>Think about it, on steam you get a game for the true cost of the game, 5$-30$. On a console you have to pay for that PLUS any additional licenses for when you sell / trade / borrow / etc. If the developer / publisher can't get it on additional licenses (like steam), then they charge the first person more. [...] If we say "Hey publishers, you limit game to 39.99, we ensure every license transfer you get 10$, gamestop gets 20$" that is a decent model... Microsoft gets a license fee on first and subsequent game purchases, compared to just first now? That's a revenue increase.

 

>Competition is the best man, it helps drive both to new heights. See technology from the Cold War. If we had no USSR, we'd be way worse off today. TLDR: Bring it on Steam

 

2/4

 

>Yeah we passed that around the office at Xbox. Most of us were like "Well played Sony, Well played". That being said they are just riding the hype train of ZOMG THEY ARE TRYING TO FUCK US FOR NO REASON. Without actually thinking about how convienent it would be for the majority of the time to not find that disc your brother didn't put back... [...] just simpleminded people not seeing the bigger picture. Some PS4 viral team made them all "U TOOK R DISCS" and they hiveminded.

 

>Everyone and their mother complains about how gamestop fucks them on their trade ins, getting 5$ for their used games. We come in trying to find a way to take money out of gamestop, and put some in developers and get you possibly cheaper games and everyone bitches at MS. Well, if you want the @#$@ing from Gamestop, go play PS4.

 

>The goal is to move to digital downloads, but Gamestop, Walmart, Target, Amazon are KIND OF FUCKING ENTRENCHED in the industry. They have a lot of power, and the shift has to be gradual. Long term goal is steam for consoles. [...] If you always want to stay with what you have, then keep current consoles, or a PS4. We're TRYING to move the industry forwards towards digital distribution... it'sa bumpy road

 

>Publishers have enourmous power. Microsoft is trying to balance between consumer delight, and publisher wishes. If we cave to far in either direction you have a non-starting product. WiiU goes too far to consumer, you have no 3rd party support to shake a stick at. PS4 is status-quo. XB1 is trying to push some things, at the expense of others. We have a vision, we'll see if it works in the coming years

 

>Living room transformation. We want to own the living room. Every living room TV with an XBox on input one. It's the thing that gives the signal to your TV, everything is secondary. The future, where games, TV, internet telephony, all that shit happens magically on some huge ass screen with hand / voice gestures... That's our goal.

 

 

3/4

 

>Google TV + PS4 + Minority report level gestures, that combined with a sick second screen experience (which is really hot for TV, I know I know.. tv tv tv tv tv... but it's fucking sick when you have it). Games will be the same, there are more exclusives to MS then PS atm, and Kinect 2 makes Kinect 1 look like a childs toy.

 

>By default it's on, listening for "Xbox On". You can turn it off tho, and turn the console like OFF off. OFF off is required for Germany / other countries that require it (no vampire appliances) [...] It has to be plugged in for the console to post. You can turn off everything it does from the settings. Think of it like airplane mode for the iPhone. You can't just unplug the cellular radio, but you can turn it off.

 

>Instead of 10mins, is 24hrs for your console, and 1 or 2 at a friends house. Really the majority of people have a speck of internet at least once a day. And if you don't. Don't buy an Xbox 1. Just like if you didn't have a broadband connection don't get Live, and if you don't have an HDTV the 360 isn't that great for you either. New tech, new req. This allows us to do cool shit when we can assume things like you have a kinect, you have internet, etc.

 

>Current plan is basically you're fucked after 24 hours. Yeah... I know. Kind of sucks. I believe they will probably revist the time period and / or find a diff way to "call in" to ensure you haven't sold your license to gamestop or something... but there is no plan YET. I'm hoping the change it, but I don't work on that so I don't have much influence there /sigh

 

>If the power goes out you ain't playing shit. I'm assuming you mean the internet goes out but you have power for TV and Xbox. Yes, You're fucked for single player games. Again, that's the PoR (Plan of record), but I expect it to change after the e3 clusterfuck

 

>What fee? There is no fee to play your games at your friends house. Never has, never will. Even x360 digital downloads could do that.

 

 

4/4

 

>The cloud capabilities is the shit they like the most. We basically made a huge cloud compute shit and made it free. What people are doing with it is kind of cool. THe original intention was to get all the Multiplayer servers not requiring 3rd party costs (Like EA shutting down game servers to cut costs), as well as taking all the games that servers hosted by the clients (Halo, etc), and have all that compute done in the cloud allowing more CPU cycles for gameplay. That will really expand what developers can do. Anything that doesn't need per frame calculation and can handle 100ms delays can be shifted to the cloud. That's huge.

 

>SmartGlass + IE is going to be pretty freaking sweet. 1 finger cursor, 2 finger direct manip. Basically if you think of a laptop trackpad where your phone/ slate is the trackpad and the monitor is your TV... it's that. The tech is there, just needs to be applied. There is some really cool shit going on with Petra + controllers that pairs people with controllers. So if person with controller two trades controlers with controller 1, their profiles magically switch. It's sick. What does this matter? Now if you lean left/right it knows which person is leaning, even if 4 people are all int he same room. It's awesome.

 

>New service using Azure for cloud compute. Allows developers to not use clients for hosting multiplayer servers, or other tasks that do not require per frame calcuations. It's pretty sweet.

 

>Honestly, if you care about anything other then pure games AT ALL. Xbox 1 > PS4. If all you do is play games, and nothing else, PS4.

 

This was all from the Microsoft engineer that was on /b/ last night.

 

>It's not worth my time to prove it, or risk my Job. I work in Studio A, 40th ave in Redmond, Wa. The thai place in the studio cafeteria has double punch wednesdays. Go ahead and call them and verify if you want.

 

 

 

 

Endret 14. juni 2013 av Mala

[Knuttsen]

Noen ord fra en anonym kar som visstnok er i fra innad i systemet, ekte eller ei!

 

http://www.neowin.ne...-one-intentions

 

Legger ut om tanken bak DRM-systemet og ønsket om heldigital distrubisjon.

 

 

 

Jepp. Spillere skyter seg selv i foten hvis PS4 blir dominant. MS prøver å gjøre ting mer digitalt noe som vil bety billigere spill for da vil ikke gamestop og andre forsyne seg grovt av bruktspill salg og distribusjonen blir også mye billigere.

 

Gamestop har jo allerede begynt ved å bare pushe PS4 i butikkene nå leser jeg og de legger ut løgner til kundene om at spill på Xbox kan kun kjøpes digitalt og at man ikke kan selge de tilbake.

Endret 14. juni 2013 av Knuttsen

[Muggkaare]

Alt går mot en digital verden. Selv på PS4, hvor også alle spill vil være tilgjengelig digitalt.

[Realzi]

Jepp. Spillere skyter seg selv i foten hvis PS4 blir dominant. MS prøver å gjøre ting mer digitalt noe som vil bety billigere spill for da vil ikke gamestop og andre forsyne seg grovt av bruktspill salg og distribusjonen blir også mye billigere.

Hvordan vet du det?

For alt vi vet kan spillene bli dyrere en Gamestop sine brukte spill.

 

Hva er så galt med at Ps4 blir dominant hva skjer da?

Og har du hørt om Ebay?

[samco]

Nye spill detter for i pris har ingen problemer med å vente "litt" på titler jeg vill spille på one når de koster 250-300

Endret 14. juni 2013 av samco

[Mala]

Fint å ha PK i nærhete, mye bra priser der til tide

[Bruker-146784]

Alt går mot en digital verden. Selv på PS4, hvor også alle spill vil være tilgjengelig digitalt.

 

Sony har faktisk vært mye flinkere enn Microsoft når det kommer til digital distribusjon som blant annet day 1 lanseringer føler jeg.

[Knuttsen]

Hvordan vet du det?

For alt vi vet kan spillene bli dyrere en Gamestop sine brukte spill.

 

Hva er så galt med at Ps4 blir dominant hva skjer da?

Og har du hørt om Ebay?

 

Jo mer disc basert butikk kjøp av spill fortsetter så vil spillene bare øke i pris.

 

Butikkene skal ha sin fortjeneste og det koster å sende spillene rundt omkring i hele verden.

 

Gamestop forsyner seg også grovt når du selger spillene tilbake til dem.

 

I et digitalt marked så kan spillene våres også selges digitalt.

 

Alt MS f.eks trenger gjøre er å åpne opp en "brukt" plass på Live hvor vi kan selge våre spill lisenser til andre brukere.

 

Ja, MS vil kanskje ta et par dollar per lisens transaksjon, men heller det enn de rundt 300-400kronene gamestop tjener på meg for hvis jeg skal selge dem et helt nytt spill.

 

Jeg sier ikke at MS vil starte noe slikt, men det vil være mulig så lenge plater og butikker ikke regjerer lenger.

 

Sony kan også gjøre dette, så lenge de dropper at discen er et krav og gjør online te krav.

[Realzi]

(zip)

Gamestop er jo en forferdelig bedrift. Folk liker og selge på nettet, da kan må lage en bedre pris selv.

 

Og hva med alle som samler på spill.

[Knuttsen]

Gamestop er jo en forferdelig bedrift. Folk liker og selge på nettet, da kan må lage en bedre pris selv.

 

Og hva med alle som samler på spill.

 

Er vel like greit å selge spillet ditt til høystbydende på Xbox Live/PSN f.eks? Trenger ikke sende plata til kjøperen heller.

 

Spill samlinga tar seg alltid mye bedre ut i konsoll menyen enn i hyllene likevel.

Endret 14. juni 2013 av Knuttsen

[Windoge]

Alt går mot en digital verden. Selv på PS4, hvor også alle spill vil være tilgjengelig digitalt.

 

Det er bra, men forskjellen er at de tilbyr et alternativ for de som ikke ønsker det.

 

Dessuten trenger ikke digitalt å bety billigere spill. Hvorfor er digitale spill på Xbox Live dyrere enn de fysiske butikkutgavene? Hvorfor kan ikke Microsoft si at de digitale utgavene av spillene de selger blir billigere enn fysiske disker? Det gjør saken mye enklere.

[Crazy Joe Davola]

Spill samlinga tar seg alltid mye bedre ut i konsoll menyen enn i hyllene likevel.

 

Veldig uenig.

[Mr_Spock]

Håper de får til slags priskonkurranse på digitale spill til Xbox One. Monopol er aldri bra.

[Windoge]

Veldig uenig.

 

De tenker ikke som det du og jeg gjør.

 

Har jeg forstått det riktig, så er du en av de som sette pris på å eie det du kjøper?

[Mr_Spock]

Veldig uenig.

 

Jepp - også alle kule spesialutgaver da

 

Det er vel derfor vinyl har blitt så inn - folk vil ha litt mer enn bare noen bits på hdd.

[Realzi]

Håper de får til slags priskonkurranse på digitale spill til Xbox One. Monopol er aldri bra.

I hear ya.

Gamestop kan ta 5 kr for 1 spill mens de kan ta nesten vanlig pris 550 kr for andre spill.

Visst dette skjer med Xboxone så er dere basicly fucked.'

Men trur folk vil klage til de stopper.

Endret 14. juni 2013 av Realzi

[Mala]

Er vel like greit å selge spillet ditt til høystbydende på Xbox Live/PSN f.eks? Trenger ikke sende plata til kjøperen heller.

 

Spill samlinga tar seg alltid mye bedre ut i konsoll menyen enn i hyllene likevel.

 

Den idéen med brukt markeds plass var faktisk ikke dum du.

[Windoge]

Jepp - også alle kule spesialutgaver da

 

Det er vel derfor vinyl har blitt så inn - folk vil ha litt mer enn bare noen bits på hdd.

 

Fremdeles uenig.