Koranen forteller hvorfor Norge kan defineres som legitimt mål.

[Ergod]

Den demokratisk valgte regjeringen i Norge driver krigføring i Afghanistan. Afghanistan er muslimsk jord og krigføring på muslimsk jord imot troende muslimer kan tolkes som angrep på islam.

 

La meg påpeke at dette ikke er mine meninger(jeg er imot islamsk fremvekst i Vesten), bare at det er et faktum at innad i islam så kan Norges krigføring gi legitimet til angrep på nordmenn via terror. Vi må forstå logikken til de som vil angripe Norge.

 

Her er koranen vers 5.32 og 5.33

 

005.032

YUSUFALI: On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our messengers with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land.

 

Verset overfor brukes av mange til å begrunne at islam er en fredlig religion som forbyr drap.

Men så kommer neste vers:

 

 

005.033

YUSUFALI: The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;

 

 

Ibn Kathir, en av de mest leste korankommentatorene skrev følgende om 5.32

 

`Wage war' mentioned here means, oppose and contradict, and it includes disbelief, blocking roads and spreading fear in the fairways. Mischief in the land refers to various types of evil. Ibn Jarir recorded that `Ikrimah and Al-Hasan Al-Basri said that the Ayat,

 

 

 

(The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, )

 

 

 

(Allah is Of-Forgiving, Most Merciful,) "Were revealed about the idolators. Therefore, the Ayah decrees that, whoever among them repents before you apprehend them, then you have no right to punish them. This Ayah does not save a Muslim from punishment if he kills, causes mischief in the land or wages war against Allah and His Messenger and then joins rank with the disbelievers, before the Muslims are able to catch him. He will still be liable for punishment for the crimes he committed.'' Abu Dawud and An-Nasa'i recorded that `Ikrimah said that Ibn `Abbas said that the Ayah,

 

 

(The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is...)

 

 

"Was revealed concerning the idolators, those among them who repent before being apprehended, they will still be liable for punishment for the crimes they committed.'' The correct opinion is that this Ayah is general in meaning and includes the idolators and all others who commit the types of crimes the Ayah mentioned. Al-Bukhari and Muslim recorded that Abu Qilabah `Abdullah bin Zayd Al-Jarmi, said that Anas bin Malik said, "Eight people of the `Ukl tribe came to the Messenger of Allah and gave him their pledge to follow Islam. Al-Madinah's climate did not suit them and they became sick and complained to Allah's Messenger . So he said,

 

 

(Go with our shephard to be treated by the milk and urine of his camels.) So they went as directed, and after they drank from the camels' milk and urine, they became healthy, and they killed the shepherd and drove away all the camels. The news reached the Prophet and he sent (men) in their pursuit and they were captured. He then ordered that their hands and feet be cut off (and it was done), and their eyes were branded with heated pieces of iron. Next, they were put in the sun until they died.'' This is the wording of Muslim. In another narration for this Hadith, it was mentioned that these people were from the tribes of `Ukl or `Uraynah. Another narration reported that these people were put in the Harrah area (of Al-Madinah), and when they asked for water, no water was given to them. Allah said,

 

 

(execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land:)

 

 

`Ali bin Abi Talhah said that Ibn `Abbas said about this Ayah, `He who takes up arms in Muslim land and spreads fear in the fairways and is captured, the Muslim Leader has the choice to either have him killed, crucified or cut off his hands and feet.'' Similar was said by Sa`id bin Al-Musayyib, Mujahid, `Ata', Al-Hasan Al-Basri, Ibrahim An-Nakha`i and Ad-Dahhak, as Abu Ja`far Ibn Jarir recorded. This view is supported by the fact that the word Aw (or), indicates a choice.

Endret 20. januar 2012 av Ergod

[Autofil]

Den demokratisk valgte regjeringen i Norge driver krigføring i Afghanistan. Afghanistan er muslimsk jord og krigføring på muslimsk jord imot troende muslimer kan tolkes som angrep på islam.

 

La meg påpeke at dette ikke er mine meninger(jeg er imot islamsk fremvekst i Vesten), bare at det er et faktum at innad i islam så kan Norges krigføring gi legitimet til angrep på nordmenn via terror. Vi må forstå logikken til de som vil angripe Norge.

 

 

 

Hei Arfan Bhatti...

[bas]

Må forstå logikken? Koranen er like logisk som Bibelen, forrykte mennesker alle som én.

[Thitorkin]

Må forstå logikken? Koranen er like logisk som Bibelen, forrykte mennesker alle som én.

 

 

Prøv å forstå, svar deretter.

[Ergod]

Dersom man forstår hvor islamistene kommer fra og at de egentlig bare følger Mohammeds eksempel og de islamske tradisjoner, så kan man også lettere forutsi og bekjempe deres ideologi.

 

Ibn Kathirs korankommentarer selges også på bokhandler i Norge, og leses av forbausende mange "moderate" muslimer.

 

Det er viktig å ikke tie om at islamistene står på solid grunn når de forfekter sitt hat overfor Vesten.

Endret 21. januar 2012 av Ergod

[LostOblivion]

Jeg mener at hva som står i Koranen er akademisk i enhver sammenheng hvor det er snakk om en krig som er ment for å forbedre et helt folks endelige lykke og forhindre angrep på vesten. Disse menneskene forstår ikke at aktiv religionsdeltagelse er en unødvendighet for et folk som er lykkelige, i.e. flesteparten av oss her i vesten sett i forhold til mange andre deler av verden. Over en periode på 60-90 år, har levestandarden i vesten steget så mye at veldig mange rett og slett ikke har behov for støtten i en tro på det overnaturlige. Disse menneskene forstår ikke dette, og derfor må de av oss som har skjønt dette hjelpe dem med å forstå.