Hvilke eventyr i bibelen er de beste?

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Og vi som er ateister mer eller mindre FORDI vi leste bibelen da? Den guden jeg leste om der kunne jeg umulig tilbe og derfo9r ble ateisme et naturlig resultat av den lesningen... Kanskje jeg hadde vært like ignorant troende enda hvis jeg bare hadde forholdt meg til hva prestene vile jeg skulle vite, eller vranglæren til kirken om du vil...

 

Hva med oss balty? Som har lest hele bibelen og som på grunn av den ikke lenger fikk oss til å tro på disse påstandene...

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Muligens litt OT, men synes det er verdt å dele:)

 

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Regarding my earlier post about Old Testament laws that few know (and none practice), the issue of "Old Testament VS New Testament" inevitably comes up. Page admin Meg posted a comment that I felt warranted re-posting here. Keep it in your pocket for future reference.

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Here's my pat response to the "the OT doesn't count" argument.

Because I found myself constantly repeating the same things over and over in discussions with theists, I keep a file of comments that I copy and paste from. The verses about the law are in it, as well as a reference to why Christians are wrong to eat bacon and shellfish.

In Matthew 5:17-18, Jesus says, “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished."

Luke 16:17 "It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid."

(In other words, as long as there's an Earth to sit on, the Old Testament, which includes the Torah, stands.)

John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." 1:14 "The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us."

The Word (Old Testament) became flesh (Jesus).

(Note: the New Testament wasn't put together until 300 years after Jesus supposedly died, and as any Biblical Historian will confirm, it was compiled by the (*pagan*) Roman Emperor Constantine. So no, the Word wasn't a reference to the New Testament.)

John 5:45 "If you believe Moses, you would believe me, for he wrote about me. But since you do not believe what he wrote, how are you going to believe what I say?"

In other words, Christians must rely on the OT to prove that Jesus was the Messiah, which is part of the reason it's still part of the Bible that Christians use. The Torah, which Jesus said is to remain law, is comprised of Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy. The creation story with Adam and Eve, the Ten Commandments, the story of Noah and his Merry Ship of Incest, and Leviticus, the book that specifically condemns sodomy, are all in the Old Testament. And the OT also says in Malachi 3:6 "I the Lord do not change. So you, the descendants of Jacob, are not destroyed.."

And the verse Christians usually refer to as an excuse for being able to eat shellfish, pork, etc. is Acts 10:15. Which, when read in context, has nothing to do with dietary restrictions; it's a command from God to allow unclean Gentiles, and not only Jews, to be Christians too.

Christians generally forget that Jesus was very much a Jew and never intended to start a new faith, but intended to fulfill the role of the Messiah in Jewish prophesy and further Judaism. In fact, while Jesus while alive, the only people who joined his Judaic cult were Jews. No gentiles (that's "white people" and others who were not ethnic Jews for any Jesus fans reading this) were allowed until a passage in Acts, written decades after Jesus died, that permitted "unclean" gentiles into the cult.

(At the time Jesus supposedly lived, most Jews rejected him because he did not fulfill the Messianic prophesy. The Jewish messiah is supposed to be a warrior king from the earthly line of King David.)