Dux ducis Skrevet 5. mars 2011 Del Skrevet 5. mars 2011 BelzeBob: Hva får deg til å tro at en fanatisk person - på lik linje med deg selv - har noen som helst argument bak påstanden om at 500 jøder ble gasset samtidig i ett og samme rom? Du kan ikke finne de mest ekstreme på den ene siden av debatten og lure oss andre til å tro at dette er et tall alle stiller seg bak. Legg merke til at Krema 1 fremstilles på to forskjellige måter i de to tegningene. Og for siste gang - ikke være så forbasket påståelig rundt eksplosjonsfaren! Vi har allerede hatt besøk av en med utdannelse på dette feltet som har reist tvil rundt dine påstander, men han ble vel for kvalm av ukvalifisert synsing og stakk. Lenke til kommentar
Woina Skrevet 5. mars 2011 Del Skrevet 5. mars 2011 Her er en tegning som kanskje kan kaste lys over det som i virkeligheten skjedde. En jøde ved navn David Olère hevder at han var medlem av en slik gruppe jøder som var satt til å betjene gasskamrene og krematorieovnene i Auschwitz. Han hadde ikke fotoapparat, men god hukommelse og etter krigen satte han seg ned og tegnet det han selv hadde sett og vært med på egenhendig. Han er senere støttet av Beate Klarsfeld-stiftelsen og blitt en integrert del av HoloCa$h-industrien. Her er et av de bildene han har tegnet som viser hvordan virkeligheten var. Ser ut til at det var mange jøder inne i rommet når vi ser haugen innenfor døren. Ikke trenger de gassmasker heller ser vi. Og en tysk soldat står og titter på mens de to jødene gjør jobben. For effekten sin skyld fokuserer bildet på en velproporsjonert dame og en liten jentunge som henger og slenger i den ene hånden til Olère. Dette fremstilles på en anerkjent nettside sponset av en den velrenommerte Klarsfeldstiftelsen. Hvordan kan noen. inklusive meg selv, la være å tro og ikke kaste seg ned for jødenes føtter og hylle deres spesielle lidelse? 5 Lenke til kommentar
Dux ducis Skrevet 5. mars 2011 Del Skrevet 5. mars 2011 (endret) Er du riv ruskende gal? Har du ikke lest det jeg NETTOPP skrev til Belsebåbb?! Det at noen få overlevende overdriver og i senere tid har blitt demente gjør ikke Holocaust noe mindre sannsynlig. Det er vel strengt tatt ikke sikkert at Olère mente å tegne det der som en faktisk og nøytral beskrivelse av hva som skjedde? Endret 5. mars 2011 av Dux ducis Lenke til kommentar
pk2010 Skrevet 5. mars 2011 Forfatter Del Skrevet 5. mars 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnL0GoXEcDQ 1 Lenke til kommentar
Lufen Skrevet 5. mars 2011 Del Skrevet 5. mars 2011 Nå ja, Ut fra kildene han ga på slutten: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eisenhower_and_German_POWs#Criticism_of_Other_Losses <-- tydeligvis ikke en helt god kilde å basere seg på. Lenke til kommentar
pk2010 Skrevet 5. mars 2011 Forfatter Del Skrevet 5. mars 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5ASWPD6hUQ&feature=channel_video_title Judea Declares War on Germany: A Critical Look at WWII Hosted by Dr. Fredrick Toben, this intriguing documentary shows a little-known aspect of WWII, in which Jews at one time declared war on Germany. In response to this, many Jews were incarcerated in prison camps, similar to what America did to the Japanese. Some Germans even claim that prior to the war's end when supply lines were cut and starvation and disease was rampant, Jews were treated more humanely than the Japanese in American prison camps. See what such talk is based on. Many rare photographs, and some surprising footage showing the prison camps as they are today. 2 Lenke til kommentar
BelzeBob Skrevet 5. mars 2011 Del Skrevet 5. mars 2011 (endret) Grei video. Vi kan forresten legge merke til at de troende absolutt aldri kommenterer videoer som blir postet her. (Oisann! Hadde Lufen virkelig tatt en titt? Bra Wikipedia bekreftet at alt var tull og tøys.) Annet enn mølet de poster selv. Ikke liker de å klikke på lenker heller. Det har vært snakk om gasskamre. Kanskje på sin plass da å poste litt info om hvordan gasskamre faktisk funker. Her følger informasjon på engelsk om prosedyrene for henrettelse med giftgass fra Clarkprosecutor.org : LETHAL GAS Procedure: State statutes typically and simply provide: "The punishment of death must be inflicted by the administration of a lethal gas." The execution protocol for most jurisdictions authorizes the use of a steel airtight execution chamber, equipped with a chair and attached restraints. The inmate is restrained at his chest, waist, arms, and ankles, and wears a mask during the execution. The chair is equipped with a metal container beneath the seat. Cyanide pellets are placed in this container. A metal canister is on the floor under the container filled with a sulfuric acid solution. There are three executioners, and each executioner turns one key. When the three keys are turned, an electric switch causes the bottom of the cyanide container to open allowing the cyanide to fall into the sulfuric acid solution, producing a lethal gas. Unconsciousness can occur within a few seconds if the prisoner takes a deep breath. However, if he or she holds their breath death can take much longer, and the prisoner usually goes into wild convulsions. A heart monitor attached to the inmate is read in the control room, and after the warden pronounces the inmate dead, ammonia is pumped into the execution chamber to neutralize the gas. Exhaust fans then remove the inert fumes from the chamber into two scrubbers that contain water and serve as a neutralizing agent. The neutralizing process takes approximately 30 minutes from the time the offender's death is determined. Death is estimated to usually occur within 6 to 18 minutes of the lethal gas emissions. (See North Carolina Execution Procedures). The most common problems encountered are the obvious agony suffered by the inmate and the length of time to cause death. History: The use of a gas chamber for execution was inspired by the use of poisonous gas in World War I, as well as the popularity of the gas oven as a means of suicide. Nevada became the first state to adopt execution by lethal gas in 1924 and carried out the first execution in 1924. Since then it has served as the means of carrying out the death sentence 31 times. Lethal gas was seen as an improvement over other forms of execution, because it was less violent and did not disfigure or mutilate the body. The last execution by lethal gas took place in Arizona in 1999. Current Application: Only 4 states, Arizona, California, Missouri, and Wyoming, currently authorize lethal gas as a method of execution, all as an alternative to lethal injection, depending upon the choice of the inmate, the date of the execution or sentence, or the possibility of lethal injection being held unconstitutional. As of April 1, 2008, 11 of 1,099 (01.0%) executions performed since 1976 have been by the administration of lethal gas. Most recently, Walter LeGrand elected Lethal Gas in Arizona on March 3, 1999. Her følger informasjon på engelsk fra Prodeathpenalty.com : Gas Chamber When a condemned inmate is executed by lethal gas, the prisoner is restrained in a chair inside an air-tight chamber. The executioner opens a valve which allows hydrochloric acid to flow into a pan behind the chair. He then adds a quantity of potassium cyanide or sodium cyanide crystals into the acid by pulling a lever. The resulting chemical interaction produces white puffy clouds of lethal hydrocyanic gas. This gas affects the ability of the body to process blood hemoglobin and unconsciousness generally occurs within a few seconds after the prisoner takes a breath. If the prisoner tries to hold their breath, the process can take much longer and can cause convulsions. It is comparable to having a severe heart attack. After the prisoner is pronounced dead, usually within five to fifteen minutes, air filters are turned on and corrections officers wearing gas masks enter the chamber to confirm death. The body is decontaminated with bleach solutions and the body must be decontaminated before being handled by an undertaker. The gas chamber is now only available as an option to inmates in California and Arizona. Most states which once used lethal gas abandoned the method in favor of lethal injection due to the difficulty of safely maintaining these facilities, some of which were shown to be at risk for leaks. Bill Armentrout var fangevokter i Missouri State Penitentiary i Jefferson City i Missouri, USA. Han var forsvarets nittende vitne i Ernst Zündels rettssak i Canada der han fremla vitnemål torsdag 19 april, 1988. [Warden Bill M. Armontrout was the nineteenth witness called by the defence. He testified on Tuesday, April 19, 1988.] Bill M. Armontrout was the Warden of Missouri State Penitentiary in Jefferson City, Missouri. The facility housed 2,200 long-term inmates and had a staff of 734 personnel. Armontrout held a Master's degree in Criminal Justice and had been appointed to the position of warden on January 1, 1984. In his capacity as warden, Armontrout was personally responsible for carrying out executions by the use of cyanide gas. Cyanide was required by state statute to be used in the gas chamber as it was the quickest and most efficient gas. (32-8902; 8868, 8869) The gas chamber in Missouri was a two chair model which had been constructed in 1938 and used for thirty-nine executions. There had been no executions since 1965. The chamber measured six by ten feet with an area of approximately 60 square feet inside the chamber itself. The walls were constructed of steel about 3/8's of an inch thick with glass windows. It was sealed completely airtight. The door seal and all the window seals were sealed with a heavy coating of Vaseline. Because of its age, the chamber had a World War I vintage ship's hatch on it with six dog wheels which tightened down against a neoprene gasket. (32-8872, 8878) In the course of his work, Armontrout was required to test the equipment frequently. No gas was used in this process. It was normally done twice a month, but prior to an execution Armontrout trained his staff each day for a week prior to the scheduled date. Roughly thirty- eight personnel were closely involved on-site with an execution. By state statute, Armontrout was required to either carry the execution out himself or to appoint another party. Armontrout had witnessed two executions and helped with one, although not at Missouri. (32-8873, 8878, 8884) Armontrout introduced the Execution Schedule used at the penitentiary (filed as Exhibit 133): 11:00 p.m. All towers will be doubled -- #6 and #7 towers will be vacated at 11:00 p.m. Two officers will be assigned to the Front Door. Two officers will be assigned to the Round Gate. One officer will be assigned to the Cleaning Plant. Two officers will be assigned to #16 Tower Gate. One officer will be assigned to the Power House. (NOTE: All inmates working at the Power House will be kept inside until the execution is completed and the ambulance has left the premises through the Railroad Gate). Two officers will be assigned to the Lower Yard at the Railroad Gate and will assist in keeping inmates assigned to the Power House inside the Power House building and will also assist in opening and closing the Railroad Gates. Two officers will be assigned outside the Railroad Gate with shotguns. 11:15 p.m. The Associate Warden of Program Services will proceed to the Gas Chamber with the druggist and the men assigned to the valves. He will see that all equipment, such as gas masks, acids, pellets, ammonia, trunks, and masks are taken to the chamber at this time. Upon arrival at the chamber, he will inspect all working apparatus. The ammonia reservoirs will be filled, making sure that all stop cocks are closed and lower intake vents are sealed, and the men assigned to such valves will take their places and they will see that no one tampers with the valves. DO NOT PERMIT ANYONE TO STAND ON VALVES. 11:30 p.m. The condemned man will be taken from the Receiving Unit and placed in a car and taken immediately to the cell at the Gas Chamber. Immediately upon arriving at the cell, he will be stripped of all clothing and dressed in black trunks which he will wear in the Chamber. The Inmate Program Supervisor will leave the Visiting Room with all witnesses and will conduct them to the Gas Chamber. Before going through the Control Center Gate, he will make sure that the car bearing the condemned man has left. If the car has not left, the witnesses will be held at the Control Center Gate until the car leaves. He will caution all witnesses to remain as quietly as possible while passing through the yard. Upon arrival at the Chamber, all witnesses will be admitted to the witnesses side of the Chamber. 12:01 a.m. The Death Warrant will be read to the condemned man and immediately after the reading of the Death Warrant, the mask will be placed over the eyes of the condemned man and he will be led into the Chamber. While the Death Warrant is being read, the cyanide pellets will be placed in the traps. After the victim is strapped in the chair, the jars containing the acid will be placed under the chair and the lids removed and placed on the floor inside the chamber, behind the chair. After the lids are removed, the attendants will leave the Chamber and will then proceed to close and seal the door. After the door is properly closed and sealed, the Warden will pull the lever which drops the pellets into the acid. When the condemned is pronounced dead by the Chief Medical Officer, the exhaust fan will be set in motion and the stop-cocks on the ammonia reservoirs will be opened and the air intakes valves will be released. The caps on the ammonia reservoirs should be loosened, but not taken off. There was a regular procedure followed in the course of preparing for an execution which began about twenty hours prior to it, said Armontrout. (32-8873) Historically, Missouri carried out all executions at one minute past midnight. The procedure entailed the doubling of guards on towers, the setting up of checkpoints and the bringing in of an ambulance with paramedics in case a staff person or witness was affected by the gas. (32-8876) The associate warden proceeded to the gas chamber with the chemist and performed a number of checks before the arrival of Armontrout. These checks included: (1) Ensuring that four ammonia reservoirs in the bottom of the gas chamber were filled. This ammonia was released after the execution to help reduce the cyanide gas to crystals which could be washed away. (32-8877, 8878) (2) Ensuring that there were thirty-nine cyanide pellets placed in a trip tray in the gas chamber. Each pellet was the size of a length of a man's finger and was equivalent to about one pound. The trip tray was operated by a mechanical lever from the outside of the unit. When the lever was pulled, the trip tray fell down and the thirty-nine pellets fell into a lead bucket filled with equal parts of warm water and sulfuric acid located under the chair of the condemned. The water was warm to make the solid pellets gas off quickly for the maximum production of gas in the shortest possible time. (32-8879, 8880, 8890, 8895, 8896) At 11:30 p.m., the condemned man was taken from the holding cell to the gas chamber holding cell. (32-8877) If no stay against the execution was ordered, Armontrout was notified at 12:01 a.m. by the Governor to proceed with the execution. (32-8878) The chief medical officer was positioned where he could observe the condemned man from a window. The condemned man had an EKG machine hooked to him to monitor his heartbeat. The medical officer recorded time periods between the release of the pellets, the gas striking the face, and the head falling forward. Armontrout, from his own observation of an execution, testified that ten seconds after the pellets dropped the prisoner's eyes glazed over. At the count of fifty-eight, Armontrout believed the man was dead but the EKG machine did not show a flat line indicating death for 13 minutes. (32-8880, 8881)) On top of the gas chamber was a blower which sucked the air out of the chamber itself and expelled it into the atmosphere through a 40-foot stack. Two guard towers located near the stack had to be vacated when the gas was expelled. Armontrout testified that he would not want to expel any gas into the atmosphere unless it was well above the prison wall. The gas chamber was located at the lower level of the prison in a dead spot as far as air circulation was concerned. He believed some of the gas could hang there and be a danger to staff and witnesses. (32-8874, 8875, 8882) After the execution, the ammonia was released and the gas expelled out of the chamber. All staff and witnesses were removed from the area. The ventilation fan ran for approximately an hour before two officers equipped with Scott air-packs (self-contained breathing apparatus which firemen use to enter smoke-filled buildings) opened the hatch of the gas chamber and removed the lead bucket containing the cyanide residue. The two officers wore rubberized disposable clothing and long rubber gloves. They hosed down the condemned man's body in the chair, paying particular attention to the hair and the clothing because of the cyanide residue, then removed him and placed him on a gurney where further decontamination took place. The officers then hosed the entire inside of the gas chamber with regular cold water. (32-8883, 8884, 8894) The ventilation fan was a very powerful squirrel-cage type fan that was encased in the stack. (32-8904) Armontrout testified that he had no idea how long it would take to ventilate the gas chamber without the ventilation fan. He believed he would have to abandon the complete area, open the ammonia and air valves, and hope for enough draft to clear it. It would take many, many hours. (32-8887) It was an antiquated chamber and there were dangers of leakage from the chamber itself to staff and witnesses and also with respect to the expulsion of the gas into the atmosphere afterwards. (32-8871) Armontrout also had humane concerns in the execution process. There were no safety devices in the gas chamber such as gas sniffers or negative pressure. Armontrout asked the State legislature for a quarter of a million dollars to renovate the chamber, to put in the safety devices and automated gas ejection and ventilation equipment. (32-8874, 8890, 8891, 8897) Armontrout was asked about the feasibility of using gas in a room thirty metres long and seven metres wide. He replied that he believed it would be dangerous if it got loose that way. Without proper ventilation, it would be very dangerous. (32-8892) Armontrout testified that there was only one consultant in the United States that he knew of in the design, operation, and maintenance of gas chambers. That consultant was Fred Leuchter. (32-8896) Fred Leuchter til høyre. Les Fred Leuchters instruksjon om konstruksjon og operasjon av gasskammer her: http://ct-mtwt.50megs.com/Tools%20of%20Corrections/3ExecutionByGasChamberMississ.html http://www.holocaustinfo.net/gass.php ------------------------------------------- For de som er interessert i å lese mer om Eisenhowers holocaust: http://www.holocaustinfo.net/eisenhowers.php Endret 5. mars 2011 av BelzeBob 3 Lenke til kommentar
Woina Skrevet 5. mars 2011 Del Skrevet 5. mars 2011 Er du riv ruskende gal? Har du ikke lest det jeg NETTOPP skrev til Belsebåbb?! Det at noen få overlevende overdriver og i senere tid har blitt demente gjør ikke Holocaust noe mindre sannsynlig. Det er vel strengt tatt ikke sikkert at Olère mente å tegne det der som en faktisk og nøytral beskrivelse av hva som skjedde? Sier du det? Det er ikke hvem som helst som står bak Olère sin kunst og legger den ut på nett og bruker den som ledd i hjernevaskinegen av folk til å bli fanatiske tyskerhatere og HoloCa$htroende. Her er nettsiden bildet i kommentaren min over er hentet fra slik at du kan se for deg selv. Først et bilde til av Olère fra samme side: Her er teksten som følger bildet oversatt av meg til norsk: "I bakgrunnen til venstre er SS Moll som kaster kvinner inn i den branngropen like ved Krema V. Til høyre bærer fire fanger en kjele med suppe forbi krematorium II eller III". Og så kommer link til den siden hvor du kan se hvem som driver den: http://fcit.usf.edu/HOLOCAUST/gallery2/D33b.htm Produced by the Florida Center for Instructional Technology, College of Education, University of South Florida © 2005. Teksten her trenger ikke oversettes. Jeg tror det er lett å forstå for folk som har et fritt og åpent sinn at hverken den verdenskjente Beate Klarsfeld-stiftelsen eller Universitetet i Sør-Florida er riv ruskende gale:) Dette er kun et av mange glimrende eksempler på hvordan HoloCa$h-industrien jobber på og på hvilket nivå i samfunnet de opererer. 3 Lenke til kommentar
NothingForever Skrevet 5. mars 2011 Del Skrevet 5. mars 2011 I tyskernes gasskamre var volumprosenten av mennesker i rommet betydelig høyere enn i disse moderne gasskamrene forteller om.. Det forenklet det hele.. Lenke til kommentar
Lufen Skrevet 5. mars 2011 Del Skrevet 5. mars 2011 ** Snip** Flott artikkel om hvordan gass kamrene som blir brukt i dag fungerer. Men tror du virkelig at nazistene ville brukt noe sånt når de skulle ta livet av millioner av jøder? Den teksten sier ikke noe om hvordan holocast ble utført, eller om det ikke er mulig. Det eneste den forteller om er hvordan man ble drept med gass når man ble dømt til døden. Så opplys meg gjerne, hvordan er den teksten relevant i det hele tatt til diskusjonen? Lenke til kommentar
pk2010 Skrevet 5. mars 2011 Forfatter Del Skrevet 5. mars 2011 Informasjonen er fritt tilgjengelig og i fremtiden så vil man når man snakker om Holocaust skildre hvordan jødene svindlet til seg makt og hvordan psykologiske faktorer spilte inn når folk levde i fullstendig fornektelse for hva som virkelig hadde skjedd. Bevisene er så mange at det eneste som kan redde løgnen midlertidig er arrestasjoner, likvideringer og begrensning av ytringsfriheten før løgnen sprekker som et rør med kloakk som har tettet seg og som er under ekstremt trykk. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lIV0yPIpfs&feature=channel_video_title 2 Lenke til kommentar
Woina Skrevet 5. mars 2011 Del Skrevet 5. mars 2011 (endret) Er du riv ruskende gal? Har du ikke lest det jeg NETTOPP skrev til Belsebåbb?! Det at noen få overlevende overdriver og i senere tid har blitt demente gjør ikke Holocaust noe mindre sannsynlig. Det er vel strengt tatt ikke sikkert at Olère mente å tegne det der som en faktisk og nøytral beskrivelse av hva som skjedde? Her er et bilde til tegnet av det høyt verdsatte øyenvitne som brukes på universitetsnivå i Florida: Det er den samme SS-vakten Moll som skal være han til høyre i bildet som plukker døde småbarn fra lasteplanet og hiver dem opp i branngropen. SS-vakten til venstre er tydelig grepet av den høytidelige stunden og hilser beveget med stiv høyrearm. Den som ikke tror dette er sant er en benekter av jødenes spesielle lidelse slik den blir servert verden på universiteter og ellers med høyprofilerte organisasjoner som Beate Klarsfeld-stiftelsen i ryggen. Endret 5. mars 2011 av Woina 2 Lenke til kommentar
Dux ducis Skrevet 5. mars 2011 Del Skrevet 5. mars 2011 Er du riv ruskende gal? Har du ikke lest det jeg NETTOPP skrev til Belsebåbb?! Det at noen få overlevende overdriver og i senere tid har blitt demente gjør ikke Holocaust noe mindre sannsynlig. Det er vel strengt tatt ikke sikkert at Olère mente å tegne det der som en faktisk og nøytral beskrivelse av hva som skjedde? Sier du det? Det er ikke hvem som helst som står bak Olère sin kunst og legger den ut på nett og bruker den som ledd i hjernevaskinegen av folk til å bli fanatiske tyskerhatere og HoloCa$htroende. Her er nettsiden bildet i kommentaren min over er hentet fra slik at du kan se for deg selv. Først et bilde til av Olère fra samme side: Her er teksten som følger bildet oversatt av meg til norsk: "I bakgrunnen til venstre er SS Moll som kaster kvinner inn i den branngropen like ved Krema V. Til høyre bærer fire fanger en kjele med suppe forbi krematorium II eller III". Og så kommer link til den siden hvor du kan se hvem som driver den: http://fcit.usf.edu/HOLOCAUST/gallery2/D33b.htm Produced by the Florida Center for Instructional Technology, College of Education, University of South Florida © 2005. Teksten her trenger ikke oversettes. Jeg tror det er lett å forstå for folk som har et fritt og åpent sinn at hverken den verdenskjente Beate Klarsfeld-stiftelsen eller Universitetet i Sør-Florida er riv ruskende gale:) Dette er kun et av mange glimrende eksempler på hvordan HoloCa$h-industrien jobber på og på hvilket nivå i samfunnet de opererer. Jeg vil ikke akkurat si at denne siden antyder at det var akkurat slik det så ut, og dermed blir det galt av dere å tillegg denne skolen meninger den ikke har. Jeg er oppegående og skjønner derfor at dette er en litt kunstnerisk fremstilling av saken, og det tror jeg også de fleste andre gjør. Lenke til kommentar
Woina Skrevet 5. mars 2011 Del Skrevet 5. mars 2011 Er du riv ruskende gal? Har du ikke lest det jeg NETTOPP skrev til Belsebåbb?! Det at noen få overlevende overdriver og i senere tid har blitt demente gjør ikke Holocaust noe mindre sannsynlig. Det er vel strengt tatt ikke sikkert at Olère mente å tegne det der som en faktisk og nøytral beskrivelse av hva som skjedde? Sier du det? Det er ikke hvem som helst som står bak Olère sin kunst og legger den ut på nett og bruker den som ledd i hjernevaskinegen av folk til å bli fanatiske tyskerhatere og HoloCa$htroende. Her er nettsiden bildet i kommentaren min over er hentet fra slik at du kan se for deg selv. Først et bilde til av Olère fra samme side: Her er teksten som følger bildet oversatt av meg til norsk: "I bakgrunnen til venstre er SS Moll som kaster kvinner inn i den branngropen like ved Krema V. Til høyre bærer fire fanger en kjele med suppe forbi krematorium II eller III". Og så kommer link til den siden hvor du kan se hvem som driver den: http://fcit.usf.edu/HOLOCAUST/gallery2/D33b.htm Produced by the Florida Center for Instructional Technology, College of Education, University of South Florida © 2005. Teksten her trenger ikke oversettes. Jeg tror det er lett å forstå for folk som har et fritt og åpent sinn at hverken den verdenskjente Beate Klarsfeld-stiftelsen eller Universitetet i Sør-Florida er riv ruskende gale:) Dette er kun et av mange glimrende eksempler på hvordan HoloCa$h-industrien jobber på og på hvilket nivå i samfunnet de opererer. Jeg vil ikke akkurat si at denne siden antyder at det var akkurat slik det så ut, og dermed blir det galt av dere å tillegg denne skolen meninger den ikke har. Jeg er oppegående og skjønner derfor at dette er en litt kunstnerisk fremstilling av saken, og det tror jeg også de fleste andre gjør. Jeg tror du tar feil. Det er nøyaktig slik hele HoloCa$h-industrien jobber og er bygget opp med filmer, gråteturer til leirer, løgner i media og så videre. Løgn og svindel og pengejag og tyskerhat og fundament for staten Israel med mere. 4 Lenke til kommentar
Dux ducis Skrevet 5. mars 2011 Del Skrevet 5. mars 2011 Jeg tror du tar feil. Det er nøyaktig slik hele HoloCa$h-industrien jobber og er bygget opp med filmer, gråteturer til leirer, løgner i media og så videre. Løgn og svindel og pengejag og tyskerhat og fundament for staten Israel med mere. Da får vi være enige om å være uenige. Det er mange andre historiske hendelser som har mange filmer og mye oppmerksomhet, men andre verdenskrig er spesiell fordi den var helt unik og sitter fortsatt relativt friskt i minne. Jeg tror nok ikke flertallet av dem opererer slik. Men, det er tydeligvis vanlig å spre propaganda for å påvirke uvitende stakkarer - se bare på denne tråden. Lenke til kommentar
del_diablo Skrevet 5. mars 2011 Del Skrevet 5. mars 2011 *klapp klapp klapp* Men hva med "gassleirene"? Lenke til kommentar
Woina Skrevet 5. mars 2011 Del Skrevet 5. mars 2011 Töben-videoen om Jødenes Krigserklæring av 24. mars 1933 er god. Her er overskriften på Daily Express den dagen: Her er en kort artikkel med noen sitater som viser med hvilket hat og besluttsomhet hetsen og krigshissingen mot Tyskland ble ført: http://www.sannhistorie.net/judeawarsitater.htm Det resulterte da også i at England med et motvillig Frankrike på slep utvidet den begrensete nabokonflikten mellom Polen og Tyskland til en europeisk storkrig. Av de europeiske nasjonene tror jeg nok England må holdes hovedansvarlig for det som skulle utvikle seg til den 2. verdenskrig. Og med det gikk både europeisk selvstendighet og det britiske samveldet dukken. 2 Lenke til kommentar
saladin waits for alice Skrevet 5. mars 2011 Del Skrevet 5. mars 2011 Jeg har alltid sett på avgjørelsene gjort gjennom Versailles trakten som vel mer eller mindre skylden for WW2, hvis ikke skylden, iallefall bufferen. Lenke til kommentar
BelzeBob Skrevet 5. mars 2011 Del Skrevet 5. mars 2011 (endret) På tide å minne om dette en gang til: Forfølgelse av Holocaustrevisjonister En oversikt fra 1998 over Holocaustinkvisisjonens mange ofre: [Av Ingrid Rimland] - "With the help of some comrades, I have been working on a document titled "Revisionist Victims of Zion." It is not yet complete, alphabetized, or made stylistically uniform, but I am shipping it today for two reasons: 1. To let my readers know of the price Revisionists pay and to ask them to support those of us in the trenches because our resources are limited and our work cannot be done in a vacuum, and 2. To ask my readers to let me know of any additional victims I may have left out." Here is what happens to people with a commitment to historical truth: Paul Rassinier - Barred from entering Germany for trying to give testimony for the defense in political trials. Background and contribution: Born in 1906, Rassinier, a school teacher, is seen as the Father of modern European Revisionism. A French resistance fighter and friend of the Jews, he was imprisoned by the Germans for his illegal activities in Buchenwald and Camp Dora where he worked in the underground rocket factories. He was elected after the war as a member of the French National Assembly for the Socialist Party. Rassinier nonetheless wrote groundbreaking Revisionist books. ===== Dr. Robert Faurisson - At least 10 times physically assaulted by Holocaust Enforcers; on several occasions nearly killed. Jaws broken. Teeth knocked out. Hospitalized for weeks. Persecuted mercilessly in endless legal battles. Background and contribution: Known as the "Dean of the world-wide Revisionist movement" and principal teacher of Ernst Zundel, Dr. Faurisson first discovered the technical and architectural drawings of the Auschwitz morgues, the crematories and other installations. He was also the first to insist that only a U.S. gas chamber expert could unravel the technical impossibility of the Auschwitz homicidal gassing story - as falsely told to the public for over half a century. Zundel mentor, advisor and trial witness in the 1984 preliminary hearings and in the 1985 and 1988 Great Holocaust Trials. Slated as expert witness for the 1991 Munich trial of Ernst Zundel. (The prosecution dropped the Anne Frank Diary part of the charge in mid-trial after they learned that Dr. Faurisson was going to testify to that point.) ===== Thies Christophersen - Forced to flee from country to country. Hounded to death after numerous acid attacks, arson, and attempts on his life and property. Background and contribution: As a German agrarian expert, Christophersen was stationed at Auschwitz in the critical period 1943-44. As a German expert, he had access to the entire camp. He took valuable photographs at the time. He was the first Revisionist eyewitness to come forward stating categorically that there were no gas chambers for killing humans in Auschwitz. He wrote the famous booklet, "Die Auschwitz-Lüge", (The Auschwitz Lie) translated into many languages. Zundel witness in the 1985 and 1988 Great Holocaust Trials. ===== Judge Wilhelm Stäglich - Was tried and convicted in post-war German courts. Had his doctorate stripped from him and his pension cut for speaking out. Background and contribution: Judge Stäglich, stationed during WWII in the Auschwitz area with an anti-aircraft unit, published a groundbreaking book "Der Auschwitz Mythos" (The Auschwitz Myth) - seized, forbidden and destroyed by West German court order. ===== Joseph Burg (Ginzburg) - Persecuted and beaten by Holocaust Enforcers of Jewish Defense League type thugs. Denied burial in the Munich Jewish cemetery. (Ernst Zundel and Otto Ernst Remer gave the eulogies.) Background and contribution: Author of many books ("Schuld und Schicksal", "Zionazi", "Das Tagebuch der Anne Frank", "Auschwitz in alle Ewigkeit" etc.) as well as many pamphlets and two documentary interviews with Ernst Zundel. Chief Jewish advisor, mentor and Zundel witness in the 1988 Great Holocaust Trial. ===== Professor Arthur Butz - Vilified and persecuted for almost three decades. Background and contribution: An American electrical engineer and university professor, Butz wrote the "Bible" of modern Revisionism titled "The Hoax of the 20th Century". This book, which deals with most details of Holocaust lore from "shrunken heads" to "Jewish soap" and "gassing" claims, more than any other influenced Ernst Zundel in his Revisionist research. ===== Haviv Schieber - Driven to attempted suicide Background and contribution: A Polish Jew and former mayor of Ber Sheeba in Israel, Schieber taught Ernst Zundel much about Israeli reality. He was an Israeli Revisionist, wanting to revise Israel's attitudes, institutions and borders. He fled Israel to find safety in the USA, was denied political asylum at first, and tried to take his life by slashing his wrists at Washington, D.C. airport on the day of his deportation. He was finally allowed refuge from Israeli persecution in the US in the early 1970s. ===== Ditlieb Felderer - Charged, tried, convicted and jailed in Sweden. Vilified in the press. Forced to live in exile. Background and contribution: Felderer, at one time a prominent Jehovah's Witness, is known as an early researcher into the physical evidence in every major concentration camp in then Communist Eastern Europe. Felderer took over 30,000 photographs of every conceivable detail in the camps. He discovered that there was a swimming pool for the inmates in Auschwitz, modern hospital facilities, including a gynecological section, as well as an orchestra, live theatre, well-stocked library, and sculpting classes. He discovered the musical score of the "Auschwitz Waltz" in the secret archives accessible only with special permission. He found that an intimate role was played by Jehovah Witnesses in the camps, who cooperated with the SS-Administration, and he exposed the lie of the 27,000 Jehovah's Witnesses killed. (On his initiative and insistence, the inflated number was reduced to 270). For his Revisionist work, Felderer was excommunicated - that is, drummed out of the Jehovah Witnesses' sect. He has been persecuted by the Holocaust Enforcers ever since. Felderer is known for his weird sense of humor and outlandish, offensive cartoons. He believes that deliberate Holocaust liars and history falsifiers should not have their sensibilities spared. This idiosyncrasy of Felderers is being exploited by Holocaust propagandists in counter-attacks against him. Zundel advisor and witness in the 1985 and 1988 Great Holocaust Trials. (Ernst added: Check with Barb's book or Mark Weber) ===== Professor Austin App - Persecuted for his courageous and tireless truth campaign for two generations on behalf of German-Americans. Background and contribution: A German-American community leader and author of many booklets and tracts - among them "The Six Million Swindle," "Action on a War Crime," "The Bombing Atrocity of Dresden," "Ravaging the women of Conquered Europe," and many others - Professor App was an early guide of Ernst Zundel. ===== Ernst Zundel - Three documented assassination attempts by fire and pipe bombs. Endless legal harassment leading to repeated jailings and bankrupting of his graphic arts business. Background and contribution: Nicknamed the "Revisionist Dynamo" or the "Revisionist Renaissance Man" for his untiring Revisionist Truth Campaign and his comprehensive grasp of complex political issues, Zundel - more than any other Revisionist on earth - caused the Holocaust Hoax to become a mainstream topic of discussion. Extensive chronological biography on the Zundelsite. ===== Jim Keegstra - Lost his job and his reputation was destroyed. Prevented an arson attempt against him. Was convicted to a $3,000 fine after 10 years of costly litigation. Was financially ruined by his ordeal. Background and contribution: A Canadian school teacher of Dutch background, Keegstra taught both sides of the Holocaust and other questions of history. He was charged under Canada's infamous "Hate Laws", and was tried and convicted. He appealed - and was re-tried and re-convicted. Three times, his case went to the Supreme Court. He ultimately lost. Zundel witness in the 1985 Great Holocaust Trial. ===== Frank Walus - Attacked seven times by Jewish assailants; nearly killed in an acid attack. Lost his US citizenship and his home to pay for his defense. Background and contribution: A Polish German-American auto worker, Walus was targeted and accused falsely by Simon Wiesenthal to be a "Nazi War Criminal." Vilified by the US media in a vicious campaign as the "Butcher of Kielce", Walus fought bravely against his tormentors of the Office of Special Investigations, also known as the US "Nazi Hunters". He ultimately won his case against them in a costly appeals process but died after several massive heart attacks - a bitter, financially ruined man. He refused to be buried on US soil because he felt the country had betrayed and failed him. Zundel witness in the 1985 Great Holocaust Trial. ===== Emil Lachout - Mercilessly hounded by Austrian authorities and the Austrian lapdog media for over a decade. Forced to undergo a humiliating psychiatric assessment. Background and contribution: An Austrian school teacher, former military police man and Boy Scout leader, Lachout's name is associated with the famous Müller-Lachout document. He ultimately won his case in the European Court of Human Rights. Austria must pay him compensation but hasn't done yet - so far. Never a man to do things by halves, Lachout is demanding an apology from the Austrian State. Zundel witness in the 1988 Great Holocaust Trial. ===== Tjiudar Rudolph - Imprisoned in Germany for lengthy stints for "doubting the Holocaust", even though he was in his mid-eighties at the time. Background and contribution: A former German Security Service member, fluent in five languages including Yiddish and Polish, Rudolph was involved with organizing Red Cross inspection tours of Auschwitz and other camps during the war. He wrote numerous Revisionist articles. He accompanied Fred Leuchter as translator to Auschwitz and Maidanek in 1988. He was charged and convicted for publishing a newsletter disputing the "Six Million" story. Zundel witness in the 1985 and 1988 Great Holocaust Trials. ===== Udo Walendy - Convicted and imprisoned in Germany for 15 months, even though already in his seventies and in poor health with a serious heart condition. Background and contribution: A prolific German researcher, writer and publisher of numerous books and a series of popular booklets called "Historische Tatsachen"- ("Historical Truths") including the German version of "Did Six Million Really Die?" and the German language version of the Leuchter Report #1 - Walendy was dragged before the courts numerous times. His home and offices were frequently raided by the police. Business files, books, printing plates and computers were confiscated. Zundel advisor and witness in the 1985 and 1988 Great Holocaust Trials. ===== Fred Leuchter - Arrested and jailed in Germany. Financially ruined. Background and contribution: An American execution expert, Leuchter designed and maintained gas chambers for several US penal institutions. He was sent by Ernst Zundel to investigate Auschwitz, Majdanek, Dachau, Hartheim and other alleged "Nazi Death Camps" and "gassing facilities." Author of the devastating series of Leuchter Reports. (I, II, III, IV) and many articles and videotaped presentations that resulted from these investigations, Leuchter was blacklisted in the US and hounded by the Holocaust Promotion Lobby and the world's lapdog media. He was arrested and jailed in Germany for giving an anti-Holocaust lecture for Günther Deckert, a well-known political party leader. Allowed out on bail, Leuchter returned to the US. and chose not to go back to Germany to stand trial. Nonetheless, he lost his livelihood as a result. Sensational Zundel witness in the Great Holocaust Trial in 1988. Leuchter, although present in the courtroom in Munich, was not allowed to testify about his research findings in Auschwitz for Ernst Zundel in the German (Munich) Trial in 1991. ===== Ivan Lagace - Became the target of several Royal Canadian Mounted Police raids. Resigned from his job as crematory director after receiving endless threats by anonymous callers and from thugs claiming to be the Jewish Defense League. Background and contribution: A crematory expert from Calgary, Alberta, who had been responsible for the disposing of 10,000 bodies in his career, Lagace finally sorted out - publicly and in open court - all the fanciful lies about the Germans supposedly "cremating multiple corpses in single corpse retorts" in Auschwitz, Birkenau and elsewhere. Lagace's testimony put an end to the wild claims by so-called "death camp survivors" about ". . . cremating bodies in five minutes" etc. His testimony - together with Fred Leuchter's findings as well as the lab results presented by Dr. James Roth of Alpha Laboratories from the soil and rock samples Leuchter had brought from Auschwitz to the USA - spelled the death knell of fanciful "survivor" claims. Lagace was raided by the Royal Canadian Mounted Police in his crematory office where he was making notes and keeping photographs taken for future court cases hidden in a container for human ashes. Zundel witness in the Great Holocaust Trial of 1988. ===== Gerd Honsik - Convicted, fined and driven into exile. Background and contribution: Honsik, an Austrian writer and poet, wrote several devastating books - one exposing Simon Wiesenthal, one titled "Freispruch für Hitler" and a third "33 Witnesses against the Gas Chamber Lie." He was convicted in Austria and Germany to fines in excess of DM 50,000 and forced to go into exile in Spain where he now lives, Gerd Honsik writes a monthly Revisionist newsletter in tabloid format titled "Halt!" ("Stop!") - meaning "Stop the hatred and lies!" ===== Imre Finta - Victimized by the media and financially totally ruined by civil law suits mismanaged by his first lawyers. Criminally charged and prosecuted as a "war criminal" in Canada. Background and contribution: A retired Hungarian police captain, Finta was accused by Sabina Citron and others for allegedly persecuting Jews in Hungary during the war. After lengthy legal battles, he was ultimately acquitted by unanimous jury verdict when Ernst Zundel's attorneys, Doug Christie and Barbara Kulaszka, took over his defense and won his victory in court. The jurors obviously did not believe the many Israeli and Jewish eye-witnesses! ===== Otto Ernst Remer - Tried and convicted to more than one year imprisonment, even though he was over 80 years old and in ill health. Background and contribution: A German war hero who successfully thwarted the military putsch by German traitors against Hitler in Berlin on 20 July 1944, Remer seized the political opportunity brought about by the revelations of the Leuchter Report. He made the findings known to millions of people by privately publishing "Die Remer Depesche", a mass circulation tabloid style newspaper. The German vassal regime came down hard on the old soldier. He was tried and convicted to prison. He went into exile in Spain, wheelchair-bound, where he died. His widow now has to fight for her pension. She refuses to return his ashes to Germany until such time when her husband's remains can be returned under honorable circumstances. ===== Jerome Brentar - His reputation tarnished and his company boycotted, Brentar lost his livelihood for saving a man from the noose. Background and contribution: This Croation-American trained social worker and Christian activist has helped every falsely accused "war criminal" - from Frank Walus to Dr. Arthur Rudolf to Mr. Bartesch. He was of immense help to John Demjanjuk. Due to the tireless work of this saintly man, Walus and Demjanjuk won their cases in the end. Brentar spent almost $500,000 of his own funds to help pay for the lawyers' fees, translators, flights, hotel accommodations, meals, and witness fees. He lost his once thriving Travel Agency because of the vicious publicity engendered, and now lives at the edge of poverty in forced retirement on his social security pension. Zundel researcher, advisor and witness in the 1985 Great Holocaust Trial. ===== John Demjanjuk - Extradited, charged, tried, convicted and sentenced to death by hanging. Spent many years in prison. Background and contribution: Demjanjuk was a Ukrainian autoworker and former camp guard whose grotesque case saw him extradited to Israel from the USA for trial. Convicted to death by hanging, but ultimately released by the Israeli Supreme Court, who obviously did not believe what must have been the perjured or false testimony of Israeli eye-witnesses, Demjanjuk was saved from the noose because Jerry Brentar worked day and night to search and find exonerating documents, eye witnesses and handwriting experts to save Demjanjuk's life. America has returned his passport and must pay him his pension for all the years of his imprisonment. Hopefully, part of that money will go Jerry Brentar to recover his outlays. ===== Germar Rudolf - Accused, tried and convicted in Germany. Career and doctorate dissertation ruined. Driven into exile. Background and contribution: This brilliant, German-trained chemist re-examined Auschwitz, Birkenau and other installations and buildings, testing rocks, soil and other physical samples for traces of Zyklon B. Following the pioneering work of Fred Leuchter, he put the final nail into the coffin of the Auschwitz story. Even though he did scientific work and was utterly apolitical, Rudolf's home and office were raided, computers seized etc. He was charged and tried in Germany for not believing in the standard Auschwitz story. As a scientist, he found the "gassing" claims to be scientifically untenable and, therefore, absurd. A modern day Galileo, Rudolf was found guilty and convicted because he refused to renounce scientific facts and his own scientific tests and findings. He was facing jail when he went into exile with his young wife and two babies. He now edits and publishes devastating refutations of the Allied Propaganda claims in a German-language journal. The Holocaust Enforcers are dogging his steps, and he faces endless hassles and trials, should the "German" vassal authorities ever get a hold of him. Zundel expert witness in chemistry in the Munich trial in 1991 - disallowed by the judge at the request of the prosecution. ===== Attorney Jürgen Rieger - Attacked and beaten. Car blown up. Professional reputation and career ruined. Background and contribution: Long-time Zundel attorney in Germany, Rieger has been a defender of German patriots since his law school days. He has drawn the ire of the Holocaust Enforcers by winning the 1981 Zundel case in Stuttgart against the false claim that Zundel had published "hate literature", and winning several cases against the German vassal regime who had confiscated Zundel's postal bank account, unfreezing DM 30,000 in the process. He also managed to regain for Zundel his confiscated German passport - after a six-year legal battle. Rieger was attacked and beaten unconscious in broad daylight after leaving a Hamburg courthouse and had to be airlifted, near death, by helicopter to the trauma unit of the hospital of Hamburg University, where he lay unconscious for days. The assailants escaped after their assassination attempt. German police later caught one Turkish "guest worker" who was tried - and let go! The other culprits were never found. ===== Attorney Doug Christie - Targeted professionally on numerous occasions with spurious charges of "unprofessional conduct" lodged with law societies in Canada. Background and contribution: Undoubtedly the finest constitutional and civil rights lawyer of his generation in Canada, Christie is known for his exceptional defenses of Ernst Zundel, Jim Keegstra, Malcolm Ross, Imre Finta and many other persecuted dissidents in Canada - and even the octogenarian, aristocratic Lady Birdwood in England. Under constant threat by busybodies in various law societies, usually the target of Jewish Holocaust Lobbyist complaints, Christie has frequently been intimidated during the Zundel trials by judges who threatened him with contempt of court when he called their arbitrary decisions into question. He is hated by all enemies of freedom, by many groveling politicians and the intellectual prostitutes in the Canadian media establishment. Christie has headed the Zundel legal defense team for over 15 years. ===== Attorney Kirk Lyons - Viciously character-assassinated by the media and "Jewish defense" organizations after defending the rights of US patriots. Background and contribution: An American civil rights lawyer of note, skill and courage and defender of many patriots, especially the "Dead of Waco," Lyons has represented people like Fred Leuchter in controversial cases, and has lately been targeted by the conservative "Spotlight" for "special media treatment" because he won a large suit against a law firm which had mismanaged a case involving one of his clients, the former Populist Party of the USA and Don Wassal. Character assassins are still trying to falsely link Lyons to the Oklahoma City bombing via a client of his, Andy Strasmeir, son of a famous German political operative and advisor to Helmut Kohl. Lyons has also defended patriots in the famous "Fort Smith Sedition Trial" and has since been vilified by the ADL. ===== Bradley Smith - Viciously character-assassinated and kicked off his web server. Background and contribution: A Libertarian, former bookstore owner, bullfighter, writer and broadcaster, Smith runs the wildly successful "Campus Project", placing ads in college and university student papers and asking for an open debate on the Holocaust. He is the owner of the popular CODOH website, known to be one of the top mainstream Revisionist websites on the Net, running head-to-head with Greg Raven's new Institute for Historical Review website now under construction. The Holocaust Lobby is relentless in its attacks against Bradley Smith, who speaks fluent Spanish and has moved to Mexico to cut costs. Zundel defense witness in the 1985 Great Holocaust Trial. ===== Michael Hoffman II - Viciously character-assassinated. Background and contribution: Hoffman is a former Associated Press reporter and author of the first book on Ernst Zundel's 1985 Trial, a biography that has undergone many printings. He is an indefatigable Revisionist researcher. He publishes a monthly newsletter titled Revisionist History, and is the author and publisher of numerous books and booklets. A noted, talented speaker and producer of Revisionist videos, Hoffman is also one of Revisionists' most skilled and passionate writers. He has drawn the Holocaust Lobby's ire for his grass roots street level activism and manly courage. ===== Ingrid Weckert - Tried, convicted and fined. Background and contribution: One of the best-known German historical researchers and writers, Weckert is best known for her book on the events leading up to Kristallnacht - a book called "Feuerzeichen" (Flashpoint). She has been subjected to police raids, during one of which Ernst Zundel was arrested in her apartment in Munich. A former tourist guide for travel agencies, she reads and speaks Hebrew. She knew Menachim Begin and other Jewish leaders personally and frequently visited Israel. In 1998, she was tried, convicted and fined DM 3,500 for writing a Revisionist article. She now lives at the edge of poverty from a small pension. ===== Erhard Kemper - Legally harassed. Endlessly hounded. Background and contribution: Kemper is a German agrarian engineer and gifted, politically astute freelance writer who has been arrested, tried and convicted for his revisionist writings in Germany dozens of times. He is unbroken in spirit, in spite of the constant legal harassment and failing health as a result of his persecution. He has been completely impoverished and his health has been ruined, but he bravely soldiers on. ===== Günther Deckert - Currently imprisoned in Bruchsal, Germany. Faces up to eight years incarceration. Background and contribution: A German educator, party leader, writer, public speaker and publicist, Deckert won fame for being tried and convicted after he simultaneously translated an English-language lecture by Fred Leuchter in Germany into German. He was at first acquitted by a German judge who found him to be an upright and decent patriot, then recharged and convicted by a different judge after an artificially created international media uproar. Now German prosecutors keep piling court case after court case on Deckert while he is in jail. He bravely keeps fighting on. ===== Hans Schmidt - Arrested, tried and jailed in Germany, even though he was a US citizen. German-American author and publisher of a German- as well as an English-language newsletter (GANPAC Brief and USA-Berichte), Schmidt was arrested in 1995 for having written about a "Jew- and Freemason infested" oligarchy and media ruling today's Germany. He spent 5 months in prison for four words. Released on bail and in ill health, Schmidt returned to the USA where he wrote a book about his experience in Germany, titled "Jailed in Democratic Germany." He has been a thorn in the side of the German vassal authorities for many years. ===== David Cole - Became a victim of the JDL. Was physically beaten. Had his life threatened on the Internet by the Jewish Defense League. Background and contribution: This young Jewish Revisionist filmmaker came to the defense of Ernst Zundel when Zundel needed defending. Subsequently, Zundel and Cole made a film in Auschwitz, with David Cole pointing out all the things wrong with that theme park of hate against Germans. Later yet, Cole came to Canada to lecture to large audiences on his Revisionist findings in Auschwitz, together with David Irving. He also appeared with Zundel in Munich, Germany, spreading Revisionism right under the watchful eyes of the German political police. In a vicious letter posted on the Internet, the Jewish Defense League threatened Cole's life. Emotionally fragile and torn between his conscience and family loyalties as well as filial devotion, he could not withstand the pressure and recanted with an abject apology to his tribesmen and tormentors. Every serious Revisionist understands that this act of recantation was coerced and may have bought David his very survival. ===== Jürgen Graf - Charged, tried and convicted in Switzerland. Fired for the second time from his teaching post. Background and contribution: A Swiss school teacher and language genius, Graf speaks almost one dozen languages fluently and understands many more, some of them the most exotic ones such as Russian, Japanese, Thai as well as Malay and Filipino dialects. Author of several books, among them "Der Holocaust auf dem Prüfstand" (The Holocaust on Trial), he went recently to Russia where he researched Russian archives for months. The Swiss government charged, tried and convicted Graf in 1998 to 15 months in jail under the new anti-Revisionist law adopted by the Swiss in 1994. His German-born, 80-year-old publisher was likewise convicted to 1 year in prison. ===== Siegfried Verbeke - Currently on trial in Holland under immense police pressure in Belgium. Endured numerous police raids and business boycotts. Background and contribution: The most dynamic Revisionist in Belgium and maybe all of Europe, Verbeke published numerous books, booklets, magazines and tracts for European Revisionists. Verbeke is now himself on trial, together with Dr. Faurisson - accused of cutting into the financial profits of the Anne Frank Foundation because of their books and texts critical of the Anne Frank Diary. Both are currently appealing a Dutch verdict. Verbeke seems undeterred by numerous police raids. Europe-wide, he carries on with a vigorous mass circulation, grassroots-based Revisionist Truth-in-History campaign in several European languages. ===== Carlos Porter - Charged, tried in absentia, and convicted in Germany. Background and contribution: An American ex-patriate, skilled linguist and translator living in Belgium and author of numerous books - "Not Guilty at Nuremberg", "Made in Russia: The Holocaust" subtitled "The German Defenses Case" - Porter was charged by the Germans in 1997. He refused to attend the trial, was tried in absentia and convicted. He responded with a defiant, blistering Emile Zola-like excoriating written counterattack to the judge in his case, and presently is waiting to be arrested and taken to Germany to serve his sentence there. ===== Ingrid Rimland - Vilified by the ADL as an "Extremist." Had her new trilogy "Lebensraum!" seized by the hundreds and banned in Canada as "hate material." Background and contribution: A relative newcomer to Revisionism, Ingrid Rimland is best known for her novels dealing with World War II that bring to life and explain the underlying reasons of the Third Reich's struggle against Communism. Canada Customs confiscated and banned the titles, even though there was not enough time to have these massive, well-researched books read, much less professionally content-evaluated. Rimland has had global mainstream media coverage as the defender of the controversy-dogged Zundelsite - which seems to be the reason her name as been smeared as an "Extremist" in a 1997 ADL smear publication. ===== Pedro Varela - Grotesquely charged with "genocide" - for selling books. Background and contribution: Spanish bookseller and well-known, long-time leader of the Spanish youth group "Cedade", Varela is currently before the Spanish courts for "genocide" for selling historical, Revisionist and National Socialist books. Jewish Lobbyists have asked for a 24 year prison term for Varela. ===== Ahmed Rami - Tried, convicted and imprisoned in Sweden. Background and contribution: Rami is a former Moroccan military officer living in exile in Sweden, where he used to run "Radio Islam", a radio program that was closed down due to Holocaust Lobby pressure. He was tried and convicted in Sweden for his Revisionist views and served a nine month prison term. Now he runs a much-visited, multilingual website famous the world over, which has come under repeated attack by French and Swedish Jewish sources. He won several court skirmishes, and for the moment seems to hold his own. ===== Nick Griffin - Charged, tried, convicted and fined in England. Background and contribution: Famous for his recent court case over pictures and words published in the magazine "The Rune", Griffin, a well-known British political activist, was charged, tried and convicted as a sacrificial lamb on the altar of Tony Blair's election promises - to be "tougher on Revisionists and racists." Two US black separatist leaders spoke out as witnesses for Griffin, but he was convicted nonetheless to a steep fine of L3,000. (The expert witness for the defense was none other than Dr. Robert Faurisson who helped out once again when help was needed.) Griffin is reported to be unbowed. ===== Jean Marie Le Pen - Charged, convicted and under political sanctions in France. Background and contribution: The flamboyant French leader of the "Front National", the largest and most promising nationalist political party in Europe, "belittled" the Holocaust and called it "a mere detail, a footnote in the history of WWII" - apparently using the phrase on three different occasions! He was recently convicted in a French court under the Communist-inspired Gayssot Law. He was given a steep fine and forbidden to run in elections for the next two years. Le Pen is undeterred, even though politically victimized for years by the French political establishment and a disgustingly hypocritical, largely Jewish-dominated French media. ===== Roger Garaudy - Charged, tried and convicted in France. Background and contribution: A former French Communist leader, philosopher and recent convert to Revisionism and Islam, Garaudy was charged, tried and convicted for writing a semi-Revisionist book titled "The Founding Myths of Israeli Politics," in which he had quoted extensively from material by Dr. Faurisson (without attribution) and by Barbara Kulaszka's book "Did Six Million Really Die?" (with attribution). He was condemned to a $50,000 fine. His trial was a farce and his performance in court disappointing. However, as a result, he seems to have kicked loose an avalanche of Revisionist thought and activities in the Moslem world, much to the chagrin of Israel - a country that more and more considers Revisionism its Number One problem. ===== Abbe Pierre - Victim of fierce world-wide media vilification. Background and contribution: Considered a male "Mother Theresa" for his altruistic dedication to the poor of France, this famous pro-Marxist French cleric endorsed Roger Garaudy's Revisionist book - and was almost crucified by a vitriolic media reaction. The Holocaust Enforcers made a huge mistake picking on this man. He fired back salvo after salvo - much to everyone's surprise. He fought bravely for a man well into his eighties, but in the end fled into a monastery in Italy - from where he apologized under pressure from his church. ===== Dr. Robert Countess - Vilified by the Canadian Human Rights Tribunal and the intervenor lawyers in the most recent Political Show Trial case of Ernst Zundel. Background and contribution: The American Revisionist, former army chaplain, lecturer, writer and globe-trotting good-will ambassador, Dr. Robert Countess, was targeted for a special smear- and vilification campaign by Jewish intervenors at the Zundel CHRT Inquisition in Toronto in June 1998. He was sneeringly denied expert witness status, even though he was completely familiar with all the major works discussed and had been in touch with most authors, even in person, dealing with the Holocaust topic - pro and con. Dr. Countess left the "People's Republic of Canada", as he called it, for the safety and constitutionally governed and protected USA, from where he vowed to carry on the struggle for freedom of speech with still greater vigor. ===== Henri Roques - Had his doctorate revoked. Background and contribution: Henri Rocques is a French author and researcher who exposed the Myth of Pope Pius XII's complicity in the Holocaust. His doctoral thesis made world-wide headlines in 1986 when, for the first time in the nearly eight-century history of French universities, a duly awarded doctorate was quickly revoked on French government's orders, after an outry by the Leftist-Jewish media in France. In a tightly argued dissertation, Rocques came to the stunning conclusion that the allegations of mass gassings of Jews made by SS officer Kurt Gerstein were groundless, and that the supposed Roman-Catholic coverup of this "slaughter" are false. He further concluded that postwar academics deliberately falsified key parts of the already tortured Gerstein testimony. His dissertation was eventually published by the Institute for Historical Review in book form under the title "The Confessions of Kurt Gerstein." ===== Doug Collins - Harassed and vilified by the BC Human Rights Commisson. Financially penalized. Background and contribution: Doug Collins was a British soldier in World War II. He was captured and escaped several times. He worked in an intelligence capacity with the British Control Commission in occupied Germany after the war. He emigrated to Canada in the 1950s and worked for several Canadian newspapers. He drew the ire of the Holocaust Enforcers after he testified for Ernst Zundel in the 1985 Great Holocaust Trial. He declared that as a journalist, he saw nothing wrong with the booklet "Did Six Million Really Die?" and that he found no "hate" in that 30,000 word essay. An award-winning journalist and TV commentator and the author of several books, Collins was hauled before a quasi-court by Holocaust Enforcers when he wrote a column about "Swindler's List" and commented on the preponderance of Jews in Hollywood. He and his paper had to defend themselves before the British Columbia Human Rights Commission, which, in the end, ruled in his favor, after his paper spent more than $200,000 and Collins spent $50,000 of his own money. Barely had he won the case when he was re-charged - for the same column, along with three others! ===== Malcolm Ross - Fired from his teaching post for politically incorrect writings. Background and contribution: A Canadian school teacher and author, Ross was for years a thorn in the eyes of the Holocaust Lobby because of his writings. It took years to fire him under some flimsy excuse because he never taught his version of history in class. Charged and re-charged, he repeatedly won in appeal courts. After years of litigation, the Supreme Court in a unanimous ruling found Malcolm Ross guilty in the end, and he was sentenced to a fine. Today, he is the unemployed father of two children. ===== Francois Duprat - Killed for distributing the French language version of "Did Six Million Really Die?" Background and contribution: A French writer, historian and educator, Duprat had introduced the booklet "Did Six Million Really Die?" in France by publishing the first French translation. He also published "The Mystery of the Gas Chamber." He was only 38 years old when his car was blown up by a bomb and he was assassinated on March 18, 1978. His wife, who was with him in the car, lost the use of her legs in this terrorist act. Two Jewish groups took credit for the assassination - the "Jewish Remembrance Commando" and another group who identified itself as ". . . Jewish Revolutionary Group." The assassins were never found. http://www.holocaustinfo.net/revisjonister.php Endret 5. mars 2011 av BelzeBob 4 Lenke til kommentar
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