Generell diskusjon rundt Den islamske republikken Iran. På tide for verdenssamfunnet å gripe inn?

[After Dark]

Det står der at Iran skal sende mesteparten av det lavtanrikede uranet ut av landet. betyr det at de skal få tilbake høyanriket uran? Det er nettopp høyanriket uran som kan brukes til atomvåpen så hvis Iran ønsker atomkraft trenger de bare lavtanriket uran. Det står heller ikke et ord der om tilbakemelding fra IAEA. Har de ikke svart enda?

 

Og jo, du må argumentere for hvorfor du mener USA og Storbritania er imperialister dersom det skal kunne brukes som noe gyldig/sakelig argument i denne diskusjonen.

 

 

IAEA og Iran hadde samtale på mandagen. Så vi kommer til å få beskjed. Godkjenner IAEA det, så kan ikke USA si noe som helst.

 

Men her fikk du bevis at at Ahamadinejad har aldri sagt noe sånt. Vi har over 25 000 jøder i Iran, og de liker seg veldig godt. Israel har til og med spurt iranske jøder å komme til Israe, men ingen av dem hadde lyst.

 

Det er zionistene som har spredt propoganda angående at den islamske republikke vil utslette Israel. Bare tull.

 

Og dersom IAEA ikke godkjenner det, mener du det vil være rett av Iran, Brazil og Tyrkia å fortsette likevel? Eller blir det rett av dem å droppe avtalen? Inntill IAEA har svart vet vi ikke om dette er en avtale som har beroliget dem eller ikke. Og som jeg nevnte synes jeg det kom veldig uklart fram om det var lavtanriket eller høyanriket uran Iran skulle ha. Husk at de kan nøye seg med lavtanriket dersom de kun er ute etter atomkraft.

 

Interessangt det du sier om at Israel har tilbudt iranske jøder å flytte til Israel, men at ingen har lyst. har du noen kilde?

[Gjest medlem-140898]

Det står der at Iran skal sende mesteparten av det lavtanrikede uranet ut av landet. betyr det at de skal få tilbake høyanriket uran? Det er nettopp høyanriket uran som kan brukes til atomvåpen så hvis Iran ønsker atomkraft trenger de bare lavtanriket uran. Det står heller ikke et ord der om tilbakemelding fra IAEA. Har de ikke svart enda?

 

Og jo, du må argumentere for hvorfor du mener USA og Storbritania er imperialister dersom det skal kunne brukes som noe gyldig/sakelig argument i denne diskusjonen.

 

 

IAEA og Iran hadde samtale på mandagen. Så vi kommer til å få beskjed. Godkjenner IAEA det, så kan ikke USA si noe som helst.

 

Men her fikk du bevis at at Ahamadinejad har aldri sagt noe sånt. Vi har over 25 000 jøder i Iran, og de liker seg veldig godt. Israel har til og med spurt iranske jøder å komme til Israe, men ingen av dem hadde lyst.

 

Det er zionistene som har spredt propoganda angående at den islamske republikke vil utslette Israel. Bare tull.

 

Og dersom IAEA ikke godkjenner det, mener du det vil være rett av Iran, Brazil og Tyrkia å fortsette likevel? Eller blir det rett av dem å droppe avtalen? Inntill IAEA har svart vet vi ikke om dette er en avtale som har beroliget dem eller ikke. Og som jeg nevnte synes jeg det kom veldig uklart fram om det var lavtanriket eller høyanriket uran Iran skulle ha. Husk at de kan nøye seg med lavtanriket dersom de kun er ute etter atomkraft.

 

Interessangt det du sier om at Israel har tilbudt iranske jøder å flytte til Israel, men at ingen har lyst. har du noen kilde?

 

 

 

xclusive: Immigrant moves back 'home' to Teheran

By ORLY HALPERN

 

Ishak can't wait to get "home" to Teheran.

 

After he immigrated to Israel two years ago, said the short man with dark circles under his eyes, his life became increasingly miserable.

 

Standing and fretting inside his empty shop on Jerusalem's Rehov Ben-Yehuda, Ishak (not his real name), a 51-year-old Jewish-Iranian who is in Israel now only for a final visit, said the jewelry shop he opened here never sold anything, the renters to whom he leased a property did not pay and his heart began to fail him from the stress of monthly mortgage payments and no income.

 

So 10 months ago gray-haired Ishak gave up on the Zionist dream and began to move his family and belongings back to Iran. He filled some of his numerous suitcases and trunks with the Persian carpets, silverware, and home decorations he came here with, and flew to Turkey with his two sons. There they sent their new Israeli passports by express mail back to his daughter in Israel. Then they took out their Islamic Republic of Iran passports and boarded a flight to Teheran.

 

When he arrived, his Muslim friends were incredulous.

 

"I have a lot of Muslim friends and they all knew I'd moved to Israel," he said. "They asked me, 'Why did you come back?'" His Jewish friends in Iran already knew the answer.

 

Despite the declaration last week by Iran's president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad that Israel must be wiped off the map, the Shihab missiles displayed in Teheran with "Israel" painted on them, the broadcasting of anti-Semitic films on national television and the much-publicized trials of 13 Jewish Iranians on spy charges, Ishak insists that life in Iran is far better for Jews than life in Israel.

 

 

 

"If you have problems there, people help you - and they know you are Jewish," said Ishak, who has now briefly returned to Israel to sell his shop and leave for good. "But here, everyone is looking out for himself. You can't trust anybody."

 

Ishak is not the only recent immigrant who prefers his Islamic birthplace to his Jewish homeland. Jerusalem's Jaffa Road and Rehov Ben-Yehuda are lined with shopkeepers originally from Iran who say they are desperate to go back - some to visit, some to live.

 

 

And while most outsiders might believe that routine contact between the citizens of the two sworn enemies is impossible, in fact, not only are the phone lines between Teheran and Tel Aviv used actively, but so also are flight routes via Istanbul.

 

 

Jewish Iranians travel frequently to Israel. To avoid getting the Iranians in trouble back in their home country, Israeli border authorities do not stamp entry visas into their passports. As with journalists, the entry visa is stamped on a separate slip of paper, which is later thrown away upon exit from the Zionist state.

 

"My parents came for a visit and left two months ago," said Avi, who owns a shoe store on Jaffa Road. But the elderly couple has no intention of moving here.

 

"The Jews there live very well," he explained. "When [Ayatollah Ruhollah] Khomeini got in power he said there is a difference between Persian Jews who are from Moussa (Moses) and Zionist Jews."

 

Avi acknowledges that initially Jews were not allowed to travel. "No one was," he said. "But now it's no problem."

 

Summertime is the most popular season for travel but sometimes Iranians come for just a wedding.

 

At Avi's, all the shoe salesmen are Iranian Jews. One of them is expecting his mother-in-law back in Israel from a two-month visit to Teheran. Meanwhile, his wife speaks to her mother regularly. "My mother-in-law buys calling cards there for $10 and they speak one hour."

 

But even more curious is the cooperation of Iranian authorities in allowing Iranian-Israelis who don't have an Iranian passport to visit the country of their birth and roots.

 

"My uncle's cousin had not been in Iran for over 20 years," said David, who runs a gift shop on Rehov Ben-Yehuda with his brother and parents and asked that his last name not be printed because he does not want the Iranian government to know who he is. "He went to the Iranian embassy in Turkey and told them, 'I am Persian and I am now Israeli. I want to go back to Iran. If you give me a passport great, if not that's fine, too. And they gave him one,'" said David, who is considering trying the method.

 

The 30-year-old is afraid to ask and he thinks he won't get one because he left Iran by illegally crossing the border into Pakistan some 15 years ago without a passport. But he, too, is dying to go back to Iran.

 

"I love the country, I don't like the people," stressed the young man dressed in jeans and a black kippa who said he came to Israel because of Zionism.

 

"I thought that here it was good. I thought that all the Jews leave their doors unlocked and no one stole. But the Israeli people are not cultured. They are rude and disrespectful. In Iran people trust each other and when they give their word they keep it. Here you need a lawyer to get anyone to keep their promise."

 

Moussa (also not his real name) is a 42-year-old clothing salesman on Jaffa Road who came to Israel in the 1970s when he was 10. His family members own four shops along the street. Many from his family travel frequently between the two enemy states. "They come and go and do business," he said.

 

Many of the Iranian-Israelis said that after former moderate president Muhammad Khatami got in power in 1997 the government turned a blind eye to the travel. Now some fear that may change since hardline president Ahmadinejad took over in August.

 

"I'm scared," said Moussa. "Especially after what Ahmedinejad said. He's a new leader and he wants to show off like a peacock. We don't know what it will be like now."

 

 

 

 

 

 

Whatever they say abroad is lies - we are comfortable in Iran - if you're not political and don't bother them then they won't bother you

Hersel Gabriel

 

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5367892.stm

[China Burger]

Det står der at Iran skal sende mesteparten av det lavtanrikede uranet ut av landet. betyr det at de skal få tilbake høyanriket uran? Det er nettopp høyanriket uran som kan brukes til atomvåpen så hvis Iran ønsker atomkraft trenger de bare lavtanriket uran. Det står heller ikke et ord der om tilbakemelding fra IAEA. Har de ikke svart enda?

 

Og jo, du må argumentere for hvorfor du mener USA og Storbritania er imperialister dersom det skal kunne brukes som noe gyldig/sakelig argument i denne diskusjonen.

 

 

IAEA og Iran hadde samtale på mandagen. Så vi kommer til å få beskjed. Godkjenner IAEA det, så kan ikke USA si noe som helst.

 

Men her fikk du bevis at at Ahamadinejad har aldri sagt noe sånt. Vi har over 25 000 jøder i Iran, og de liker seg veldig godt. Israel har til og med spurt iranske jøder å komme til Israe, men ingen av dem hadde lyst.

 

Det er zionistene som har spredt propoganda angående at den islamske republikke vil utslette Israel. Bare tull.

 

Og dersom IAEA ikke godkjenner det, mener du det vil være rett av Iran, Brazil og Tyrkia å fortsette likevel? Eller blir det rett av dem å droppe avtalen? Inntill IAEA har svart vet vi ikke om dette er en avtale som har beroliget dem eller ikke. Og som jeg nevnte synes jeg det kom veldig uklart fram om det var lavtanriket eller høyanriket uran Iran skulle ha. Husk at de kan nøye seg med lavtanriket dersom de kun er ute etter atomkraft.

 

Interessangt det du sier om at Israel har tilbudt iranske jøder å flytte til Israel, men at ingen har lyst. har du noen kilde?

 

 

 

xclusive: Immigrant moves back 'home' to Teheran

By ORLY HALPERN

 

Ishak can't wait to get "home" to Teheran.

 

After he immigrated to Israel two years ago, said the short man with dark circles under his eyes, his life became increasingly miserable.

 

Standing and fretting inside his empty shop on Jerusalem's Rehov Ben-Yehuda, Ishak (not his real name), a 51-year-old Jewish-Iranian who is in Israel now only for a final visit, said the jewelry shop he opened here never sold anything, the renters to whom he leased a property did not pay and his heart began to fail him from the stress of monthly mortgage payments and no income.

 

So 10 months ago gray-haired Ishak gave up on the Zionist dream and began to move his family and belongings back to Iran. He filled some of his numerous suitcases and trunks with the Persian carpets, silverware, and home decorations he came here with, and flew to Turkey with his two sons. There they sent their new Israeli passports by express mail back to his daughter in Israel. Then they took out their Islamic Republic of Iran passports and boarded a flight to Teheran.

 

When he arrived, his Muslim friends were incredulous.

 

"I have a lot of Muslim friends and they all knew I'd moved to Israel," he said. "They asked me, 'Why did you come back?'" His Jewish friends in Iran already knew the answer.

 

Despite the declaration last week by Iran's president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad that Israel must be wiped off the map, the Shihab missiles displayed in Teheran with "Israel" painted on them, the broadcasting of anti-Semitic films on national television and the much-publicized trials of 13 Jewish Iranians on spy charges, Ishak insists that life in Iran is far better for Jews than life in Israel.

 

 

 

"If you have problems there, people help you - and they know you are Jewish," said Ishak, who has now briefly returned to Israel to sell his shop and leave for good. "But here, everyone is looking out for himself. You can't trust anybody."

 

Ishak is not the only recent immigrant who prefers his Islamic birthplace to his Jewish homeland. Jerusalem's Jaffa Road and Rehov Ben-Yehuda are lined with shopkeepers originally from Iran who say they are desperate to go back - some to visit, some to live.

 

 

And while most outsiders might believe that routine contact between the citizens of the two sworn enemies is impossible, in fact, not only are the phone lines between Teheran and Tel Aviv used actively, but so also are flight routes via Istanbul.

 

 

Jewish Iranians travel frequently to Israel. To avoid getting the Iranians in trouble back in their home country, Israeli border authorities do not stamp entry visas into their passports. As with journalists, the entry visa is stamped on a separate slip of paper, which is later thrown away upon exit from the Zionist state.

 

"My parents came for a visit and left two months ago," said Avi, who owns a shoe store on Jaffa Road. But the elderly couple has no intention of moving here.

 

"The Jews there live very well," he explained. "When [Ayatollah Ruhollah] Khomeini got in power he said there is a difference between Persian Jews who are from Moussa (Moses) and Zionist Jews."

 

Avi acknowledges that initially Jews were not allowed to travel. "No one was," he said. "But now it's no problem."

 

Summertime is the most popular season for travel but sometimes Iranians come for just a wedding.

 

At Avi's, all the shoe salesmen are Iranian Jews. One of them is expecting his mother-in-law back in Israel from a two-month visit to Teheran. Meanwhile, his wife speaks to her mother regularly. "My mother-in-law buys calling cards there for $10 and they speak one hour."

 

But even more curious is the cooperation of Iranian authorities in allowing Iranian-Israelis who don't have an Iranian passport to visit the country of their birth and roots.

 

"My uncle's cousin had not been in Iran for over 20 years," said David, who runs a gift shop on Rehov Ben-Yehuda with his brother and parents and asked that his last name not be printed because he does not want the Iranian government to know who he is. "He went to the Iranian embassy in Turkey and told them, 'I am Persian and I am now Israeli. I want to go back to Iran. If you give me a passport great, if not that's fine, too. And they gave him one,'" said David, who is considering trying the method.

 

The 30-year-old is afraid to ask and he thinks he won't get one because he left Iran by illegally crossing the border into Pakistan some 15 years ago without a passport. But he, too, is dying to go back to Iran.

 

"I love the country, I don't like the people," stressed the young man dressed in jeans and a black kippa who said he came to Israel because of Zionism.

 

"I thought that here it was good. I thought that all the Jews leave their doors unlocked and no one stole. But the Israeli people are not cultured. They are rude and disrespectful. In Iran people trust each other and when they give their word they keep it. Here you need a lawyer to get anyone to keep their promise."

 

Moussa (also not his real name) is a 42-year-old clothing salesman on Jaffa Road who came to Israel in the 1970s when he was 10. His family members own four shops along the street. Many from his family travel frequently between the two enemy states. "They come and go and do business," he said.

 

Many of the Iranian-Israelis said that after former moderate president Muhammad Khatami got in power in 1997 the government turned a blind eye to the travel. Now some fear that may change since hardline president Ahmadinejad took over in August.

 

"I'm scared," said Moussa. "Especially after what Ahmedinejad said. He's a new leader and he wants to show off like a peacock. We don't know what it will be like now."

 

 

 

 

 

 

Whatever they say abroad is lies - we are comfortable in Iran - if you're not political and don't bother them then they won't bother you

Hersel Gabriel

 

 

http://news.bbc.co.u...ast/5367892.stm

 

Utifra "din" artikkel kan det nesten høres det ut som at jødene i Israel har det helt grusomt, og mistrives noe inni gran skauen.

 

Derfor er det vel på sin plass å få litt motbalanse inn i "propaganda" artikkelen "din", som ikke har noe å gjøre med sannheten når det gjelder det reelle bildet på hvordan jøder flest har det i Israel.

 

Ellers finner en selvsagt individuelle individer, der noen ikke har funnet seg til rette og føler dem har mislykkes, noe som gjelder alle stater i verden.

 

Det var uansett leit å høre, at butikken til denne jøde iraneren du skrev om ikke gikk i pluss og at leieboerne hans ikke klarte å betale leien sin til han.

 

Ellers er det ingen hemmelighet (noe som det kan se ut som at det er for deg), at det aller fleste iranske jøder har immigrert tilbake til Israel for en god stund siden nå, og da snakker vi om endel tusen. Så at f.eks 1 prosent av dem ikke finner seg til rette i Israel, er helt naturlig. Like naturlig som at en finner individer som ikke finner seg til rette i Iran.

 

Her er en rykende fersk meningsmåling, som nettopp har blitt utført:

 

Jøder tilfreds med livet i Israel

En ny undersøkelse fra Statistisk sentralbyrå viser at 88 prosent av jødene i Israel er fornøyd med livet sitt.

 

Undersøkelsen viser videre at 8 prosent av den jødiske befolkningen i Israel regner seg som haredi-jøder, 12 prosent er religiøse, 13 prosent tradisjonelt religiøse, 25 prosent tradisjonelle mens 42 prosent sier de er sekulære.

 

Hovedkilde: Statistisk Sentralbyrå (oversatt til norsk av karmel)

Endret 26. mai 2010 av IDF

[Rampage]

Jeg ser ikkke hvordan en person som ikke trives etter å flyttet til Israel og flytter tilbake igjen er relevant for emnet, ei heller jødisk tilfredshet i Israel.

 

ey baba, du kan jo gjerne kommentere på sitatet til Ahmadinejad, som ikke var det du trodde det var? Som er litt mer relevant for konflikten.

Endret 26. mai 2010 av Rampage

[After Dark]

 

 

 

xclusive: Immigrant moves back 'home' to Teheran

By ORLY HALPERN

 

Ishak can't wait to get "home" to Teheran.

 

After he immigrated to Israel two years ago, said the short man with dark circles under his eyes, his life became increasingly miserable.

 

Standing and fretting inside his empty shop on Jerusalem's Rehov Ben-Yehuda, Ishak (not his real name), a 51-year-old Jewish-Iranian who is in Israel now only for a final visit, said the jewelry shop he opened here never sold anything, the renters to whom he leased a property did not pay and his heart began to fail him from the stress of monthly mortgage payments and no income.

 

So 10 months ago gray-haired Ishak gave up on the Zionist dream and began to move his family and belongings back to Iran. He filled some of his numerous suitcases and trunks with the Persian carpets, silverware, and home decorations he came here with, and flew to Turkey with his two sons. There they sent their new Israeli passports by express mail back to his daughter in Israel. Then they took out their Islamic Republic of Iran passports and boarded a flight to Teheran.

 

When he arrived, his Muslim friends were incredulous.

 

"I have a lot of Muslim friends and they all knew I'd moved to Israel," he said. "They asked me, 'Why did you come back?'" His Jewish friends in Iran already knew the answer.

 

Despite the declaration last week by Iran's president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad that Israel must be wiped off the map, the Shihab missiles displayed in Teheran with "Israel" painted on them, the broadcasting of anti-Semitic films on national television and the much-publicized trials of 13 Jewish Iranians on spy charges, Ishak insists that life in Iran is far better for Jews than life in Israel.

 

 

 

"If you have problems there, people help you - and they know you are Jewish," said Ishak, who has now briefly returned to Israel to sell his shop and leave for good. "But here, everyone is looking out for himself. You can't trust anybody."

 

Ishak is not the only recent immigrant who prefers his Islamic birthplace to his Jewish homeland. Jerusalem's Jaffa Road and Rehov Ben-Yehuda are lined with shopkeepers originally from Iran who say they are desperate to go back - some to visit, some to live.

 

 

And while most outsiders might believe that routine contact between the citizens of the two sworn enemies is impossible, in fact, not only are the phone lines between Teheran and Tel Aviv used actively, but so also are flight routes via Istanbul.

 

 

Jewish Iranians travel frequently to Israel. To avoid getting the Iranians in trouble back in their home country, Israeli border authorities do not stamp entry visas into their passports. As with journalists, the entry visa is stamped on a separate slip of paper, which is later thrown away upon exit from the Zionist state.

 

"My parents came for a visit and left two months ago," said Avi, who owns a shoe store on Jaffa Road. But the elderly couple has no intention of moving here.

 

"The Jews there live very well," he explained. "When [Ayatollah Ruhollah] Khomeini got in power he said there is a difference between Persian Jews who are from Moussa (Moses) and Zionist Jews."

 

Avi acknowledges that initially Jews were not allowed to travel. "No one was," he said. "But now it's no problem."

 

Summertime is the most popular season for travel but sometimes Iranians come for just a wedding.

 

At Avi's, all the shoe salesmen are Iranian Jews. One of them is expecting his mother-in-law back in Israel from a two-month visit to Teheran. Meanwhile, his wife speaks to her mother regularly. "My mother-in-law buys calling cards there for $10 and they speak one hour."

 

But even more curious is the cooperation of Iranian authorities in allowing Iranian-Israelis who don't have an Iranian passport to visit the country of their birth and roots.

 

"My uncle's cousin had not been in Iran for over 20 years," said David, who runs a gift shop on Rehov Ben-Yehuda with his brother and parents and asked that his last name not be printed because he does not want the Iranian government to know who he is. "He went to the Iranian embassy in Turkey and told them, 'I am Persian and I am now Israeli. I want to go back to Iran. If you give me a passport great, if not that's fine, too. And they gave him one,'" said David, who is considering trying the method.

 

The 30-year-old is afraid to ask and he thinks he won't get one because he left Iran by illegally crossing the border into Pakistan some 15 years ago without a passport. But he, too, is dying to go back to Iran.

 

"I love the country, I don't like the people," stressed the young man dressed in jeans and a black kippa who said he came to Israel because of Zionism.

 

"I thought that here it was good. I thought that all the Jews leave their doors unlocked and no one stole. But the Israeli people are not cultured. They are rude and disrespectful. In Iran people trust each other and when they give their word they keep it. Here you need a lawyer to get anyone to keep their promise."

 

Moussa (also not his real name) is a 42-year-old clothing salesman on Jaffa Road who came to Israel in the 1970s when he was 10. His family members own four shops along the street. Many from his family travel frequently between the two enemy states. "They come and go and do business," he said.

 

Many of the Iranian-Israelis said that after former moderate president Muhammad Khatami got in power in 1997 the government turned a blind eye to the travel. Now some fear that may change since hardline president Ahmadinejad took over in August.

 

"I'm scared," said Moussa. "Especially after what Ahmedinejad said. He's a new leader and he wants to show off like a peacock. We don't know what it will be like now."

 

 

 

 

 

 

Whatever they say abroad is lies - we are comfortable in Iran - if you're not political and don't bother them then they won't bother you

Hersel Gabriel

 

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5367892.stm

 

 

Hva med å svare på det andre jeg skrev? Hva mener du vil være riktig å gjøre av Iran, Tyrkia og Brazil dersom IAEA ikke sier seg tilfreds med avtalen og er det lavtanriket eller høyanriket uran Iran skal ha?

[China Burger]

USA trapper opp hemmelige operasjoner

 

Det amerikanske forsvarsdepartementet Pentagon har gitt grønt lys for utvidede hemmelige militære aksjoner i andre land, spesielt i Midt-Østen.

 

Inkludert i aksjonene er rekognoseringstokt over andre land som Iran, noe som mange tar som et tegn på en praktisk amerikansk forberedelse på militære aksjoner mot Iran.

 

En israelsk kilde sitert i Jerusalem Post sier at selv om denne nyheten ble lekket ut med vilje er det et klart signal til Iran om at den militære "opsjonen" ikke er utelukket. Det var New York Times som først kom med nyheten i går.

 

Kilde: New York Times 25.mai.2010, Karmel.net 26.mai.2010.

Endret 26. mai 2010 av IDF

[Gjest medlem-140898]

 

 

 

xclusive: Immigrant moves back 'home' to Teheran

By ORLY HALPERN

 

Ishak can't wait to get "home" to Teheran.

 

After he immigrated to Israel two years ago, said the short man with dark circles under his eyes, his life became increasingly miserable.

 

Standing and fretting inside his empty shop on Jerusalem's Rehov Ben-Yehuda, Ishak (not his real name), a 51-year-old Jewish-Iranian who is in Israel now only for a final visit, said the jewelry shop he opened here never sold anything, the renters to whom he leased a property did not pay and his heart began to fail him from the stress of monthly mortgage payments and no income.

 

So 10 months ago gray-haired Ishak gave up on the Zionist dream and began to move his family and belongings back to Iran. He filled some of his numerous suitcases and trunks with the Persian carpets, silverware, and home decorations he came here with, and flew to Turkey with his two sons. There they sent their new Israeli passports by express mail back to his daughter in Israel. Then they took out their Islamic Republic of Iran passports and boarded a flight to Teheran.

 

When he arrived, his Muslim friends were incredulous.

 

"I have a lot of Muslim friends and they all knew I'd moved to Israel," he said. "They asked me, 'Why did you come back?'" His Jewish friends in Iran already knew the answer.

 

Despite the declaration last week by Iran's president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad that Israel must be wiped off the map, the Shihab missiles displayed in Teheran with "Israel" painted on them, the broadcasting of anti-Semitic films on national television and the much-publicized trials of 13 Jewish Iranians on spy charges, Ishak insists that life in Iran is far better for Jews than life in Israel.

 

 

 

"If you have problems there, people help you - and they know you are Jewish," said Ishak, who has now briefly returned to Israel to sell his shop and leave for good. "But here, everyone is looking out for himself. You can't trust anybody."

 

Ishak is not the only recent immigrant who prefers his Islamic birthplace to his Jewish homeland. Jerusalem's Jaffa Road and Rehov Ben-Yehuda are lined with shopkeepers originally from Iran who say they are desperate to go back - some to visit, some to live.

 

 

And while most outsiders might believe that routine contact between the citizens of the two sworn enemies is impossible, in fact, not only are the phone lines between Teheran and Tel Aviv used actively, but so also are flight routes via Istanbul.

 

 

Jewish Iranians travel frequently to Israel. To avoid getting the Iranians in trouble back in their home country, Israeli border authorities do not stamp entry visas into their passports. As with journalists, the entry visa is stamped on a separate slip of paper, which is later thrown away upon exit from the Zionist state.

 

"My parents came for a visit and left two months ago," said Avi, who owns a shoe store on Jaffa Road. But the elderly couple has no intention of moving here.

 

"The Jews there live very well," he explained. "When [Ayatollah Ruhollah] Khomeini got in power he said there is a difference between Persian Jews who are from Moussa (Moses) and Zionist Jews."

 

Avi acknowledges that initially Jews were not allowed to travel. "No one was," he said. "But now it's no problem."

 

Summertime is the most popular season for travel but sometimes Iranians come for just a wedding.

 

At Avi's, all the shoe salesmen are Iranian Jews. One of them is expecting his mother-in-law back in Israel from a two-month visit to Teheran. Meanwhile, his wife speaks to her mother regularly. "My mother-in-law buys calling cards there for $10 and they speak one hour."

 

But even more curious is the cooperation of Iranian authorities in allowing Iranian-Israelis who don't have an Iranian passport to visit the country of their birth and roots.

 

"My uncle's cousin had not been in Iran for over 20 years," said David, who runs a gift shop on Rehov Ben-Yehuda with his brother and parents and asked that his last name not be printed because he does not want the Iranian government to know who he is. "He went to the Iranian embassy in Turkey and told them, 'I am Persian and I am now Israeli. I want to go back to Iran. If you give me a passport great, if not that's fine, too. And they gave him one,'" said David, who is considering trying the method.

 

The 30-year-old is afraid to ask and he thinks he won't get one because he left Iran by illegally crossing the border into Pakistan some 15 years ago without a passport. But he, too, is dying to go back to Iran.

 

"I love the country, I don't like the people," stressed the young man dressed in jeans and a black kippa who said he came to Israel because of Zionism.

 

"I thought that here it was good. I thought that all the Jews leave their doors unlocked and no one stole. But the Israeli people are not cultured. They are rude and disrespectful. In Iran people trust each other and when they give their word they keep it. Here you need a lawyer to get anyone to keep their promise."

 

Moussa (also not his real name) is a 42-year-old clothing salesman on Jaffa Road who came to Israel in the 1970s when he was 10. His family members own four shops along the street. Many from his family travel frequently between the two enemy states. "They come and go and do business," he said.

 

Many of the Iranian-Israelis said that after former moderate president Muhammad Khatami got in power in 1997 the government turned a blind eye to the travel. Now some fear that may change since hardline president Ahmadinejad took over in August.

 

"I'm scared," said Moussa. "Especially after what Ahmedinejad said. He's a new leader and he wants to show off like a peacock. We don't know what it will be like now."

 

 

 

 

 

 

Whatever they say abroad is lies - we are comfortable in Iran - if you're not political and don't bother them then they won't bother you

Hersel Gabriel

 

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5367892.stm

 

 

Hva med å svare på det andre jeg skrev? Hva mener du vil være riktig å gjøre av Iran, Tyrkia og Brazil dersom IAEA ikke sier seg tilfreds med avtalen og er det lavtanriket eller høyanriket uran Iran skal ha?

 

Vi kan diskutere det når vi har fått en bekreftelse fra IAEA.

[After Dark]

I mellomtiden, er det lavtanriket eller høyanriket uran Iran skal ha?

[China Burger]

 

 

 

xclusive: Immigrant moves back 'home' to Teheran

By ORLY HALPERN

 

Ishak can't wait to get "home" to Teheran.

 

After he immigrated to Israel two years ago, said the short man with dark circles under his eyes, his life became increasingly miserable.

 

Standing and fretting inside his empty shop on Jerusalem's Rehov Ben-Yehuda, Ishak (not his real name), a 51-year-old Jewish-Iranian who is in Israel now only for a final visit, said the jewelry shop he opened here never sold anything, the renters to whom he leased a property did not pay and his heart began to fail him from the stress of monthly mortgage payments and no income.

 

So 10 months ago gray-haired Ishak gave up on the Zionist dream and began to move his family and belongings back to Iran. He filled some of his numerous suitcases and trunks with the Persian carpets, silverware, and home decorations he came here with, and flew to Turkey with his two sons. There they sent their new Israeli passports by express mail back to his daughter in Israel. Then they took out their Islamic Republic of Iran passports and boarded a flight to Teheran.

 

When he arrived, his Muslim friends were incredulous.

 

"I have a lot of Muslim friends and they all knew I'd moved to Israel," he said. "They asked me, 'Why did you come back?'" His Jewish friends in Iran already knew the answer.

 

Despite the declaration last week by Iran's president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad that Israel must be wiped off the map, the Shihab missiles displayed in Teheran with "Israel" painted on them, the broadcasting of anti-Semitic films on national television and the much-publicized trials of 13 Jewish Iranians on spy charges, Ishak insists that life in Iran is far better for Jews than life in Israel.

 

 

 

"If you have problems there, people help you - and they know you are Jewish," said Ishak, who has now briefly returned to Israel to sell his shop and leave for good. "But here, everyone is looking out for himself. You can't trust anybody."

 

Ishak is not the only recent immigrant who prefers his Islamic birthplace to his Jewish homeland. Jerusalem's Jaffa Road and Rehov Ben-Yehuda are lined with shopkeepers originally from Iran who say they are desperate to go back - some to visit, some to live.

 

 

And while most outsiders might believe that routine contact between the citizens of the two sworn enemies is impossible, in fact, not only are the phone lines between Teheran and Tel Aviv used actively, but so also are flight routes via Istanbul.

 

 

Jewish Iranians travel frequently to Israel. To avoid getting the Iranians in trouble back in their home country, Israeli border authorities do not stamp entry visas into their passports. As with journalists, the entry visa is stamped on a separate slip of paper, which is later thrown away upon exit from the Zionist state.

 

"My parents came for a visit and left two months ago," said Avi, who owns a shoe store on Jaffa Road. But the elderly couple has no intention of moving here.

 

"The Jews there live very well," he explained. "When [Ayatollah Ruhollah] Khomeini got in power he said there is a difference between Persian Jews who are from Moussa (Moses) and Zionist Jews."

 

Avi acknowledges that initially Jews were not allowed to travel. "No one was," he said. "But now it's no problem."

 

Summertime is the most popular season for travel but sometimes Iranians come for just a wedding.

 

At Avi's, all the shoe salesmen are Iranian Jews. One of them is expecting his mother-in-law back in Israel from a two-month visit to Teheran. Meanwhile, his wife speaks to her mother regularly. "My mother-in-law buys calling cards there for $10 and they speak one hour."

 

But even more curious is the cooperation of Iranian authorities in allowing Iranian-Israelis who don't have an Iranian passport to visit the country of their birth and roots.

 

"My uncle's cousin had not been in Iran for over 20 years," said David, who runs a gift shop on Rehov Ben-Yehuda with his brother and parents and asked that his last name not be printed because he does not want the Iranian government to know who he is. "He went to the Iranian embassy in Turkey and told them, 'I am Persian and I am now Israeli. I want to go back to Iran. If you give me a passport great, if not that's fine, too. And they gave him one,'" said David, who is considering trying the method.

 

The 30-year-old is afraid to ask and he thinks he won't get one because he left Iran by illegally crossing the border into Pakistan some 15 years ago without a passport. But he, too, is dying to go back to Iran.

 

"I love the country, I don't like the people," stressed the young man dressed in jeans and a black kippa who said he came to Israel because of Zionism.

 

"I thought that here it was good. I thought that all the Jews leave their doors unlocked and no one stole. But the Israeli people are not cultured. They are rude and disrespectful. In Iran people trust each other and when they give their word they keep it. Here you need a lawyer to get anyone to keep their promise."

 

Moussa (also not his real name) is a 42-year-old clothing salesman on Jaffa Road who came to Israel in the 1970s when he was 10. His family members own four shops along the street. Many from his family travel frequently between the two enemy states. "They come and go and do business," he said.

 

Many of the Iranian-Israelis said that after former moderate president Muhammad Khatami got in power in 1997 the government turned a blind eye to the travel. Now some fear that may change since hardline president Ahmadinejad took over in August.

 

"I'm scared," said Moussa. "Especially after what Ahmedinejad said. He's a new leader and he wants to show off like a peacock. We don't know what it will be like now."

 

 

 

 

 

 

Whatever they say abroad is lies - we are comfortable in Iran - if you're not political and don't bother them then they won't bother you

Hersel Gabriel

 

 

http://news.bbc.co.u...ast/5367892.stm

 

 

Hva med å svare på det andre jeg skrev? Hva mener du vil være riktig å gjøre av Iran, Tyrkia og Brazil dersom IAEA ikke sier seg tilfreds med avtalen og er det lavtanriket eller høyanriket uran Iran skal ha?

 

Vi kan diskutere det når vi har fått en bekreftelse fra IAEA.

 

Må du ha bekreftelse fra IAEA, før du kan diskuere ting og tang?

 

Dumt at du er begrenset til å bare kunne diskutere slike saker, før IAEA har gitt deg "klarsignal" til det - som ett fengsel for ditt frie ord.

Endret 26. mai 2010 av IDF

[Gjest medlem-140898]

 

 

 

Ahamadinejad og den Islamske republikken har ikke noe problem med jøder, men med zionister. Dermed Basta.

 

That passage will mean nothing to most people, but one word might ring a bell: rezhim-e. It is the word "Regime", pronounced just like the English word with an extra "eh" sound at the end. Ahmadinejad did not refer to Israel the country or Israel the land mass, but the Israeli regime. This is a vastly significant distinction, as one cannot wipe a regime off the map. Ahmadinejad does not even refer to Israel by name, he instead uses the specific phrase "rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods" (regime occupying Jerusalem).

 

So this raises the question.. what exactly did he want "wiped from the map"? The answer is: nothing. That's because the word "map" was never used. The Persian word for map, "nagsheh", is not contained anywhere in his original Persian quote, or, for that matter, anywhere in his entire speech. Nor was the western phrase "wipe out" ever said. Yet we are led to believe that Iran's President threatened to "wipe Israel off the map", despite never having uttered the words "map", "wipe out" or even "Israel"

 

The full quote translated directly to English: "The Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time".

 

Word by word translation: Imam (Khomeini) ghoft (said) een (this) rezhim-e (regime) ishghalgar-e (occupying) qods (Jerusalem) bayad (must) az safheh-ye ruzgar (from page of time) mahv shavad (vanish from)..[12][13]

 

 

Som sagt er det ikke vits å diskutere om det. Beviset er foran dere. Jeg kan forstå Farsi, og forsto med engang hva han mente.

Endret 9. juni 2010 av medlem-140898

[Rampage]

Men nå fortsetter du å snakke om en helt annen uttalelse enn den jeg linket til, så hvorfor kverner du på den gamle uttalelsen?

[After Dark]

Kan du eller kan du ikke svare på følgende: Går avtalen mellom Iran, Tyrkia og Brazil ut på at det uranet Iran skal ha er lavtanriket eller høyanriket?

Endret 26. mai 2010 av Glimti

[Gjest medlem-140898]

Men nå fortsetter du å snakke om en helt annen uttalelse enn den jeg linket til, så hvorfor kverner du på den gamle uttalelsen?

 

Det er ikke to forskjellige uttalser. Det er bare at vestlige journalister har misforstått.

 

Kan du eller kan du ikke svare på følgende: Går avtalen mellom Iran, Tyrkia og Brazil ut på at det uranet Iran skal ha er lavtanriket eller høyanriket?

 

Iran, Tyrkia og Brasil er blitt enige om en avtale som lar Iran bytte lavanriket uran mot høyanriket, ifølge det tyrkiske utenriksdepartementet.

[Rampage]

Men nå fortsetter du å snakke om en helt annen uttalelse enn den jeg linket til, så hvorfor kverner du på den gamle uttalelsen?

 

Det er ikke to forskjellige uttalser. Det er bare at vestlige journalister har misforstått.

 

Virkelig? Når artikkelen refererer til en bestemt uttalelse under et møte året etter den uttalelsen du snakker om, så har jeg problemer med å ta uttalelsene for å være det samme. Men du kan vel gjerne tilbakevise artikkelen ved å forklare hvorfor det er samme uttalelse?

[Gjest medlem-140898]

Men nå fortsetter du å snakke om en helt annen uttalelse enn den jeg linket til, så hvorfor kverner du på den gamle uttalelsen?

 

Det er ikke to forskjellige uttalser. Det er bare at vestlige journalister har misforstått.

 

Virkelig? Når artikkelen refererer til en bestemt uttalelse under et møte året etter den uttalelsen du snakker om, så har jeg problemer med å ta uttalelsene for å være det samme. Men du kan vel gjerne tilbakevise artikkelen ved å forklare hvorfor det er samme uttalelse?

 

Det er noe de har skrevet. Jeg vil gjerne høre hva Ahmadinejad sa på persisk. Ikke noe vestlige\zionister har oversatt.

[After Dark]

Iran, Tyrkia og Brasil er blitt enige om en avtale som lar Iran bytte lavanriket uran mot høyanriket, ifølge det tyrkiske utenriksdepartementet.

 

Og hvordan vil du da argumentere for at Iran ønsker atomkraft og ikke atomvåpen? Lavtanriket uran kan kun brukes til atomkraft mens høyanriket kan brukes til atomvåpen!

[After Dark]

Mens vi diskuterer Iran, hva de fengslede amerikanerne som bare sitter der uten at rettssaken starter?

 

Saken har imidlertid stått på stedet hvil siden det ble annonsert at de tre ville bli tiltalt for spionasje i november. Så langt er ingen formell tiltale tatt ut, og amerikanerne har ikke fått treffe sine advokater. Møtet med mødrene er første gang de kommuniserer med familien i løpet av fengselsoppholdet.

 

http://www.dagbladet.no/2010/05/25/nyheter/utenriks/iran/spionasje/11847864/

[Gjest medlem-140898]

Mens vi diskuterer Iran, hva de fengslede amerikanerne som bare sitter der uten at rettssaken starter?

 

Saken har imidlertid stått på stedet hvil siden det ble annonsert at de tre ville bli tiltalt for spionasje i november. Så langt er ingen formell tiltale tatt ut, og amerikanerne har ikke fått treffe sine advokater. Møtet med mødrene er første gang de kommuniserer med familien i løpet av fengselsoppholdet.

 

http://www.dagbladet.no/2010/05/25/nyheter/utenriks/iran/spionasje/11847864/

 

Glimt, det var vel ikke noe med saken å gjøre, eller?

 

Vi kan godt diskutere det...

 

Men jeg er forøvrig enig med IRI angående denne saken. Hva gjør de der egentlig ?

 

På ferie der !?

 

Yeah, right...

 

 

http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/verden/1.7132404

[After Dark]

Hva med å besvare innlegget over når du først er i gang!?

 

Og det har alt med saken å gjøre da denne tråden dreier seg om tilstandene i iran og hvorvidt det internasjonale verdenssamfunnet burde gripe inn Iran eller ikke. Og er det ikke vel misstenkelig at de annklagede ikke engang har fått møte advokatene sine og at saken aldri kommer i gang...

[Gjest medlem-140898]

 

 

 

Iran to notify UN nuclear watchdog of fuel deal

 

 

AFP - Iran was preparing to notify the International Atomic Energy Agency later on Monday of a nuclear fuel swap deal brokered by Turkey and Brazil, the spokesman of Iran's Atomic Energy Organisation said.

 

"The letter will be delivered to the IAEA chief at 10:30 am Vienna time (0830 GMT)," Ali Shirzadian told Iran's ISNA news agency.

 

Iran signed a deal last week with Brazil and Turkey -- non-permanent members of the UN Security Council -- to ship over half of its low enriched uranium (LEU) abroad in exchange for fuel for a Tehran medical research reactor.

 

Western governments' reaction has been dismissive to the proposal, which they have said fails to address international concerns about Iran's nuclear programme.

 

Washington has pressed ahead with circulating a new sanctions resolution.

 

 

http://www.france24.com/en/20100524-iran-notify-un-nuclear-watchdog-fuel-deal