Mahmoud Ahmadinejad fornekter holocaust på ny. Hva mener du?

[pk2010]

So what om noen har problemer med jøder/jødedommen? Hvorfor er det et problem for deg?

 

Jeg har sett mange åpenbare shills i min tid, men du burde absolutt ha fått mere trening.

[Drogin]

So what om noen har problemer med jøder/jødedommen? Hvorfor er det et problem for deg?

Det går jo faktisk ann å genuint bry seg om andre.

Og uansett:

First they came for the communists,

and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

 

Then they came for the trade unionists,

and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

 

Then they came for the Jews,

and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.

 

Then they came for me

and there was no one left to speak out for me.

[BelzeBob]

Tyskerne selv listet opp millioner av jøder som ble drept, de filmet også en god del av det. Men du tror vel det ble spilt inn i Hollywood?

 

Også har vi arkivene til de russiske, amerikanske, franske og engelske styrkene som møtte på utrydningsleirene.

 

Tyskerne listet opp millioner av jøder som ble drept?

De filmet en god del av det?

Hva fins i disse arkivene?

 

La oss begynne med dette med filmingen. Hvor kan jeg få se disse filmene eller filmklippene? Dette var nok noe du fant opp i farten. Så vidt jeg vet eksisterer ingen film som bekrefter Holocaust. Ikke heller et fotografi. Eller en gjenstand. Eller et dokument.

 

Det som fins i arkivene er vel gjerne noe i stil med dette, tenker jeg:

http://www.usmbooks.com/auschwitz-monowitz.html

 

Sant nok: i tillegg til det tyske Arolsen-arkivet så har nasjonalarkivet i England og i USA svært mange dokumenter fra nazi-Tyskland. Men dessverre for deg fins det ikke et eneste dokument som bekrefter hverken Holocaust eller at tyskerne ga sine fanger særlig dårlig behandling.

 

Du kan vedde på at lå det noe i arkivene som kunne brukes til å selge Holocaust-myten så hadde det forlengst blitt brukt. Når det gjelder arkivene har vi et helt annet problem: nemlig at det er svært vanskelig for personer utenfor det offentlige å få tilgang til dokumentene som ligger der. Jeg har sjekket saken og måtte faktisk gi opp min ambisjon om å få tak i krigsrapporter fra det engelske arkivet. Og det er nok like vanskelig med de andre arkivene. Meningen er helt klart at dette er informasjon man ikke vil at folk skal ta del av. På nettsiden jeg lenket til ovenfor sies det t.o.m. at mange slike dokumenter er hemmelighetsstemplet fram til 2050.

 

"It is known that British intelligence units intercepted and translated concentration camp status reports during World War II and were therefore entirely aware of the activities within the camps, the demographics of the prisoners, those who escaped and even those who died or were executed. Unfortunately for those of us interested in history, all access to the British information will be denied until at least the year 2050."

 

Men, jeg fikk til å bekrefte med Arolsen at disse to dokumentene er autentiske:

 

 

 

The Aschwitz Death Registers: http://www.historiography-project.org/misc/deathbooks.html

 

Sorry, men det fins ingen liste med millioner av mennesker holocaustet av tyskerne. Bortsett fra den listen med navn som Yad Vashem har. Men jeg må si at jeg ikke har den ringeste anelse om hva denne listen er basert på. Slik jeg ser det er det mulig at hele listen er diktet opp. Har aldri hørt om noen som har prøvd å sjekke den.

 

Vi kunne jo sett på folketellingen såklart. Problemet er bare at oversikten fra årene 1942-1946 er litt vanskelig å få tak i. Og vi kan legge til et problem til: det er ikke lett å telle jøder. Kan du tenke deg en eller to grunner hvorfor?

 

Her er fra 1938:

 

Her er et sitat fra en jøde: "Before the Holocaust, there were 18 million Jews."

 

Hmmm... pussig. Folketellingen sier jo litt over 15 millioner.

 

Mer her: http://www.holocaustinfo.net/side2.php

 

P.S. Du har helt rett i at Hollywood har hjulpet til å lage propagandafilmer om "Holocaust."

 

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So what om noen har problemer med jøder/jødedommen? Hvorfor er det et problem for deg?

Det går jo faktisk ann å genuint bry seg om andre.

Og uansett:

First they came for the communists,

and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

 

Then they came for the trade unionists,

and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

 

Then they came for the Jews,

and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.

 

Then they came for me

and there was no one left to speak out for me.

 

 

Hva med Palestinere, Holocaust-benektere og nazister? Skal de også ha rettigheter...?

 

Her er en liste over Holocaust-benektere som har blitt forfulgt av akkurat de samme grupperingene som synger sin evige klagesang om Holocaust og jødeforfølgelse:

 

 

 

Forfølgelse av Holocaust-benektere

 

En oversikt fra 1998 over Holocaustinkvisisjonens mange ofre:

 

Paul Rassinier - Barred from entering Germany for trying to give testimony for the defense in political trials. Background and contribution: Born in 1906, Rassinier, a school teacher, is seen as the Father of modern European Revisionism. A French resistance fighter and friend of the Jews, he was imprisoned by the Germans for his illegal activities in Buchenwald and Camp Dora where he worked in the underground rocket factories. He was elected after the war as a member of the French National Assembly for the Socialist Party. Rassinier nonetheless wrote groundbreaking Revisionist books.

 

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Dr. Robert Faurisson - At least 10 times physically assaulted by Holocaust Enforcers; on several occasions nearly killed. Jaws broken. Teeth knocked out. Hospitalized for weeks. Persecuted mercilessly in endless legal battles. Background and contribution: Known as the "Dean of the world-wide Revisionist movement" and principal teacher of Ernst Zundel, Dr. Faurisson first discovered the technical and architectural drawings of the Auschwitz morgues, the crematories and other installations. He was also the first to insist that only a U.S. gas chamber expert could unravel the technical impossibility of the Auschwitz homicidal gassing story - as falsely told to the public for over half a century. Zundel mentor, advisor and trial witness in the 1984 preliminary hearings and in the 1985 and 1988 Great Holocaust Trials. Slated as expert witness for the 1991 Munich trial of Ernst Zundel. (The prosecution dropped the Anne Frank Diary part of the charge in mid-trial after they learned that Dr. Faurisson was going to testify to that point.)

 

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Thies Christophersen - Forced to flee from country to country. Hounded to death after numerous acid attacks, arson, and attempts on his life and property. Background and contribution: As a German agrarian expert, Christophersen was stationed at Auschwitz in the critical period 1943-44. As a German expert, he had access to the entire camp. He took valuable photographs at the time. He was the first Revisionist eyewitness to come forward stating categorically that there were no gas chambers for killing humans in Auschwitz. He wrote the famous booklet, "Die Auschwitz-Lüge", (The Auschwitz Lie) translated into many languages. Zundel witness in the 1985 and 1988 Great Holocaust Trials.

 

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Judge Wilhelm Stäglich - Was tried and convicted in post-war German courts. Had his doctorate stripped from him and his pension cut for speaking out. Background and contribution: Judge Stäglich, stationed during WWII in the Auschwitz area with an anti-aircraft unit, published a groundbreaking book "Der Auschwitz Mythos" (The Auschwitz Myth) - seized, forbidden and destroyed by West German court order.

 

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Joseph Burg (Ginzburg) - Persecuted and beaten by Holocaust Enforcers of Jewish Defense League type thugs. Denied burial in the Munich Jewish cemetery. (Ernst Zundel and Otto Ernst Remer gave the eulogies.) Background and contribution: Author of many books ("Schuld und Schicksal", "Zionazi", "Das Tagebuch der Anne Frank", "Auschwitz in alle Ewigkeit" etc.) as well as many pamphlets and two documentary interviews with Ernst Zundel. Chief Jewish advisor, mentor and Zundel witness in the 1988 Great Holocaust Trial.

 

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Professor Arthur Butz - Vilified and persecuted for almost three decades. Background and contribution: An American electrical engineer and university professor, Butz wrote the "Bible" of modern Revisionism titled "The Hoax of the 20th Century". This book, which deals with most details of Holocaust lore from "shrunken heads" to "Jewish soap" and "gassing" claims, more than any other influenced Ernst Zundel in his Revisionist research.

 

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Haviv Schieber - Driven to attempted suicide Background and contribution: A Polish Jew and former mayor of Ber Sheeba in Israel, Schieber taught Ernst Zundel much about Israeli reality. He was an Israeli Revisionist, wanting to revise Israel's attitudes, institutions and borders. He fled Israel to find safety in the USA, was denied political asylum at first, and tried to take his life by slashing his wrists at Washington, D.C. airport on the day of his deportation. He was finally allowed refuge from Israeli persecution in the US in the early 1970s.

 

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Ditlieb Felderer - Charged, tried, convicted and jailed in Sweden. Vilified in the press. Forced to live in exile. Background and contribution: Felderer, at one time a prominent Jehovah's Witness, is known as an early researcher into the physical evidence in every major concentration camp in then Communist Eastern Europe. Felderer took over 30,000 photographs of every conceivable detail in the camps. He discovered that there was a swimming pool for the inmates in Auschwitz, modern hospital facilities, including a gynecological section, as well as an orchestra, live theatre, well-stocked library, and sculpting classes. He discovered the musical score of the "Auschwitz Waltz" in the secret archives accessible only with special permission. He found that an intimate role was played by Jehovah Witnesses in the camps, who cooperated with the SS-Administration, and he exposed the lie of the 27,000 Jehovah's Witnesses killed. (On his initiative and insistence, the inflated number was reduced to 270). For his Revisionist work, Felderer was excommunicated - that is, drummed out of the Jehovah Witnesses' sect. He has been persecuted by the Holocaust Enforcers ever since. Felderer is known for his weird sense of humor and outlandish, offensive cartoons. He believes that deliberate Holocaust liars and history falsifiers should not have their sensibilities spared. This idiosyncrasy of Felderers is being exploited by Holocaust propagandists in counter-attacks against him. Zundel advisor and witness in the 1985 and 1988 Great Holocaust Trials. (Ernst added: Check with Barb's book or Mark Weber)

 

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Professor Austin App - Persecuted for his courageous and tireless truth campaign for two generations on behalf of German-Americans. Background and contribution: A German-American community leader and author of many booklets and tracts - among them "The Six Million Swindle," "Action on a War Crime," "The Bombing Atrocity of Dresden," "Ravaging the women of Conquered Europe," and many others - Professor App was an early guide of Ernst Zundel.

 

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Ernst Zundel - Three documented assassination attempts by fire and pipe bombs. Endless legal harassment leading to repeated jailings and bankrupting of his graphic arts business. Background and contribution: Nicknamed the "Revisionist Dynamo" or the "Revisionist Renaissance Man" for his untiring Revisionist Truth Campaign and his comprehensive grasp of complex political issues, Zundel - more than any other Revisionist on earth - caused the Holocaust Hoax to become a mainstream topic of discussion. Extensive chronological biography on the Zundelsite.

 

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Jim Keegstra - Lost his job and his reputation was destroyed. Prevented an arson attempt against him. Was convicted to a $3,000 fine after 10 years of costly litigation. Was financially ruined by his ordeal. Background and contribution: A Canadian school teacher of Dutch background, Keegstra taught both sides of the Holocaust and other questions of history. He was charged under Canada's infamous "Hate Laws", and was tried and convicted. He appealed - and was re-tried and re-convicted. Three times, his case went to the Supreme Court. He ultimately lost. Zundel witness in the 1985 Great Holocaust Trial.

 

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Frank Walus - Attacked seven times by Jewish assailants; nearly killed in an acid attack. Lost his US citizenship and his home to pay for his defense. Background and contribution: A Polish German-American auto worker, Walus was targeted and accused falsely by Simon Wiesenthal to be a "Nazi War Criminal." Vilified by the US media in a vicious campaign as the "Butcher of Kielce", Walus fought bravely against his tormentors of the Office of Special Investigations, also known as the US "Nazi Hunters". He ultimately won his case against them in a costly appeals process but died after several massive heart attacks - a bitter, financially ruined man. He refused to be buried on US soil because he felt the country had betrayed and failed him. Zundel witness in the 1985 Great Holocaust Trial.

 

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Emil Lachout - Mercilessly hounded by Austrian authorities and the Austrian lapdog media for over a decade. Forced to undergo a humiliating psychiatric assessment. Background and contribution: An Austrian school teacher, former military police man and Boy Scout leader, Lachout's name is associated with the famous Müller-Lachout document. He ultimately won his case in the European Court of Human Rights. Austria must pay him compensation but hasn't done yet - so far. Never a man to do things by halves, Lachout is demanding an apology from the Austrian State. Zundel witness in the 1988 Great Holocaust Trial.

 

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Tjiudar Rudolph - Imprisoned in Germany for lengthy stints for "doubting the Holocaust", even though he was in his mid-eighties at the time. Background and contribution: A former German Security Service member, fluent in five languages including Yiddish and Polish, Rudolph was involved with organizing Red Cross inspection tours of Auschwitz and other camps during the war. He wrote numerous Revisionist articles. He accompanied Fred Leuchter as translator to Auschwitz and Maidanek in 1988. He was charged and convicted for publishing a newsletter disputing the "Six Million" story. Zundel witness in the 1985 and 1988 Great Holocaust Trials.

 

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Udo Walendy - Convicted and imprisoned in Germany for 15 months, even though already in his seventies and in poor health with a serious heart condition. Background and contribution: A prolific German researcher, writer and publisher of numerous books and a series of popular booklets called "Historische Tatsachen"- ("Historical Truths") including the German version of "Did Six Million Really Die?" and the German language version of the Leuchter Report #1 - Walendy was dragged before the courts numerous times. His home and offices were frequently raided by the police. Business files, books, printing plates and computers were confiscated. Zundel advisor and witness in the 1985 and 1988 Great Holocaust Trials.

 

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Fred Leuchter - Arrested and jailed in Germany. Financially ruined. Background and contribution: An American execution expert, Leuchter designed and maintained gas chambers for several US penal institutions. He was sent by Ernst Zundel to investigate Auschwitz, Majdanek, Dachau, Hartheim and other alleged "Nazi Death Camps" and "gassing facilities." Author of the devastating series of Leuchter Reports. (I, II, III, IV) and many articles and videotaped presentations that resulted from these investigations, Leuchter was blacklisted in the US and hounded by the Holocaust Promotion Lobby and the world's lapdog media. He was arrested and jailed in Germany for giving an anti-Holocaust lecture for Günther Deckert, a well-known political party leader. Allowed out on bail, Leuchter returned to the US. and chose not to go back to Germany to stand trial. Nonetheless, he lost his livelihood as a result. Sensational Zundel witness in the Great Holocaust Trial in 1988. Leuchter, although present in the courtroom in Munich, was not allowed to testify about his research findings in Auschwitz for Ernst Zundel in the German (Munich) Trial in 1991.

 

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Ivan Lagace - Became the target of several Royal Canadian Mounted Police raids. Resigned from his job as crematory director after receiving endless threats by anonymous callers and from thugs claiming to be the Jewish Defense League. Background and contribution: A crematory expert from Calgary, Alberta, who had been responsible for the disposing of 10,000 bodies in his career, Lagace finally sorted out - publicly and in open court - all the fanciful lies about the Germans supposedly "cremating multiple corpses in single corpse retorts" in Auschwitz, Birkenau and elsewhere. Lagace's testimony put an end to the wild claims by so-called "death camp survivors" about ". . . cremating bodies in five minutes" etc. His testimony - together with Fred Leuchter's findings as well as the lab results presented by Dr. James Roth of Alpha Laboratories from the soil and rock samples Leuchter had brought from Auschwitz to the USA - spelled the death knell of fanciful "survivor" claims. Lagace was raided by the Royal Canadian Mounted Police in his crematory office where he was making notes and keeping photographs taken for future court cases hidden in a container for human ashes. Zundel witness in the Great Holocaust Trial of 1988.

 

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Gerd Honsik - Convicted, fined and driven into exile. Background and contribution: Honsik, an Austrian writer and poet, wrote several devastating books - one exposing Simon Wiesenthal, one titled "Freispruch für Hitler" and a third "33 Witnesses against the Gas Chamber Lie." He was convicted in Austria and Germany to fines in excess of DM 50,000 and forced to go into exile in Spain where he now lives, Gerd Honsik writes a monthly Revisionist newsletter in tabloid format titled "Halt!" ("Stop!") - meaning "Stop the hatred and lies!"

 

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Imre Finta - Victimized by the media and financially totally ruined by civil law suits mismanaged by his first lawyers. Criminally charged and prosecuted as a "war criminal" in Canada. Background and contribution: A retired Hungarian police captain, Finta was accused by Sabina Citron and others for allegedly persecuting Jews in Hungary during the war. After lengthy legal battles, he was ultimately acquitted by unanimous jury verdict when Ernst Zundel's attorneys, Doug Christie and Barbara Kulaszka, took over his defense and won his victory in court. The jurors obviously did not believe the many Israeli and Jewish eye-witnesses!

 

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Otto Ernst Remer - Tried and convicted to more than one year imprisonment, even though he was over 80 years old and in ill health. Background and contribution: A German war hero who successfully thwarted the military putsch by German traitors against Hitler in Berlin on 20 July 1944, Remer seized the political opportunity brought about by the revelations of the Leuchter Report. He made the findings known to millions of people by privately publishing "Die Remer Depesche", a mass circulation tabloid style newspaper. The German vassal regime came down hard on the old soldier. He was tried and convicted to prison. He went into exile in Spain, wheelchair-bound, where he died. His widow now has to fight for her pension. She refuses to return his ashes to Germany until such time when her husband's remains can be returned under honorable circumstances.

 

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Jerome Brentar - His reputation tarnished and his company boycotted, Brentar lost his livelihood for saving a man from the noose. Background and contribution: This Croation-American trained social worker and Christian activist has helped every falsely accused "war criminal" - from Frank Walus to Dr. Arthur Rudolf to Mr. Bartesch. He was of immense help to John Demjanjuk. Due to the tireless work of this saintly man, Walus and Demjanjuk won their cases in the end. Brentar spent almost $500,000 of his own funds to help pay for the lawyers' fees, translators, flights, hotel accommodations, meals, and witness fees. He lost his once thriving Travel Agency because of the vicious publicity engendered, and now lives at the edge of poverty in forced retirement on his social security pension. Zundel researcher, advisor and witness in the 1985 Great Holocaust Trial.

 

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John Demjanjuk - Extradited, charged, tried, convicted and sentenced to death by hanging. Spent many years in prison. Background and contribution: Demjanjuk was a Ukrainian autoworker and former camp guard whose grotesque case saw him extradited to Israel from the USA for trial. Convicted to death by hanging, but ultimately released by the Israeli Supreme Court, who obviously did not believe what must have been the perjured or false testimony of Israeli eye-witnesses, Demjanjuk was saved from the noose because Jerry Brentar worked day and night to search and find exonerating documents, eye witnesses and handwriting experts to save Demjanjuk's life. America has returned his passport and must pay him his pension for all the years of his imprisonment. Hopefully, part of that money will go Jerry Brentar to recover his outlays.

 

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Germar Rudolf - Accused, tried and convicted in Germany. Career and doctorate dissertation ruined. Driven into exile. Background and contribution: This brilliant, German-trained chemist re-examined Auschwitz, Birkenau and other installations and buildings, testing rocks, soil and other physical samples for traces of Zyklon B. Following the pioneering work of Fred Leuchter, he put the final nail into the coffin of the Auschwitz story. Even though he did scientific work and was utterly apolitical, Rudolf's home and office were raided, computers seized etc. He was charged and tried in Germany for not believing in the standard Auschwitz story. As a scientist, he found the "gassing" claims to be scientifically untenable and, therefore, absurd. A modern day Galileo, Rudolf was found guilty and convicted because he refused to renounce scientific facts and his own scientific tests and findings. He was facing jail when he went into exile with his young wife and two babies. He now edits and publishes devastating refutations of the Allied Propaganda claims in a German-language journal. The Holocaust Enforcers are dogging his steps, and he faces endless hassles and trials, should the "German" vassal authorities ever get a hold of him. Zundel expert witness in chemistry in the Munich trial in 1991 - disallowed by the judge at the request of the prosecution.

 

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Attorney Jürgen Rieger - Attacked and beaten. Car blown up. Professional reputation and career ruined. Background and contribution: Long-time Zundel attorney in Germany, Rieger has been a defender of German patriots since his law school days. He has drawn the ire of the Holocaust Enforcers by winning the 1981 Zundel case in Stuttgart against the false claim that Zundel had published "hate literature", and winning several cases against the German vassal regime who had confiscated Zundel's postal bank account, unfreezing DM 30,000 in the process. He also managed to regain for Zundel his confiscated German passport - after a six-year legal battle. Rieger was attacked and beaten unconscious in broad daylight after leaving a Hamburg courthouse and had to be airlifted, near death, by helicopter to the trauma unit of the hospital of Hamburg University, where he lay unconscious for days. The assailants escaped after their assassination attempt. German police later caught one Turkish "guest worker" who was tried - and let go! The other culprits were never found.

 

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Attorney Doug Christie - Targeted professionally on numerous occasions with spurious charges of "unprofessional conduct" lodged with law societies in Canada. Background and contribution: Undoubtedly the finest constitutional and civil rights lawyer of his generation in Canada, Christie is known for his exceptional defenses of Ernst Zundel, Jim Keegstra, Malcolm Ross, Imre Finta and many other persecuted dissidents in Canada - and even the octogenarian, aristocratic Lady Birdwood in England. Under constant threat by busybodies in various law societies, usually the target of Jewish Holocaust Lobbyist complaints, Christie has frequently been intimidated during the Zundel trials by judges who threatened him with contempt of court when he called their arbitrary decisions into question. He is hated by all enemies of freedom, by many groveling politicians and the intellectual prostitutes in the Canadian media establishment. Christie has headed the Zundel legal defense team for over 15 years.

 

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Attorney Kirk Lyons - Viciously character-assassinated by the media and "Jewish defense" organizations after defending the rights of US patriots. Background and contribution: An American civil rights lawyer of note, skill and courage and defender of many patriots, especially the "Dead of Waco," Lyons has represented people like Fred Leuchter in controversial cases, and has lately been targeted by the conservative "Spotlight" for "special media treatment" because he won a large suit against a law firm which had mismanaged a case involving one of his clients, the former Populist Party of the USA and Don Wassal. Character assassins are still trying to falsely link Lyons to the Oklahoma City bombing via a client of his, Andy Strasmeir, son of a famous German political operative and advisor to Helmut Kohl. Lyons has also defended patriots in the famous "Fort Smith Sedition Trial" and has since been vilified by the ADL.

 

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Bradley Smith - Viciously character-assassinated and kicked off his web server. Background and contribution: A Libertarian, former bookstore owner, bullfighter, writer and broadcaster, Smith runs the wildly successful "Campus Project", placing ads in college and university student papers and asking for an open debate on the Holocaust. He is the owner of the popular CODOH website, known to be one of the top mainstream Revisionist websites on the Net, running head-to-head with Greg Raven's new Institute for Historical Review website now under construction. The Holocaust Lobby is relentless in its attacks against Bradley Smith, who speaks fluent Spanish and has moved to Mexico to cut costs. Zundel defense witness in the 1985 Great Holocaust Trial.

 

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Michael Hoffman II - Viciously character-assassinated. Background and contribution: Hoffman is a former Associated Press reporter and author of the first book on Ernst Zundel's 1985 Trial, a biography that has undergone many printings. He is an indefatigable Revisionist researcher. He publishes a monthly newsletter titled Revisionist History, and is the author and publisher of numerous books and booklets. A noted, talented speaker and producer of Revisionist videos, Hoffman is also one of Revisionists' most skilled and passionate writers. He has drawn the Holocaust Lobby's ire for his grass roots street level activism and manly courage.

 

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Ingrid Weckert - Tried, convicted and fined. Background and contribution: One of the best-known German historical researchers and writers, Weckert is best known for her book on the events leading up to Kristallnacht - a book called "Feuerzeichen" (Flashpoint). She has been subjected to police raids, during one of which Ernst Zundel was arrested in her apartment in Munich. A former tourist guide for travel agencies, she reads and speaks Hebrew. She knew Menachim Begin and other Jewish leaders personally and frequently visited Israel. In 1998, she was tried, convicted and fined DM 3,500 for writing a Revisionist article. She now lives at the edge of poverty from a small pension.

 

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Erhard Kemper - Legally harassed. Endlessly hounded. Background and contribution: Kemper is a German agrarian engineer and gifted, politically astute freelance writer who has been arrested, tried and convicted for his revisionist writings in Germany dozens of times. He is unbroken in spirit, in spite of the constant legal harassment and failing health as a result of his persecution. He has been completely impoverished and his health has been ruined, but he bravely soldiers on.

 

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Günther Deckert - Currently imprisoned in Bruchsal, Germany. Faces up to eight years incarceration. Background and contribution: A German educator, party leader, writer, public speaker and publicist, Deckert won fame for being tried and convicted after he simultaneously translated an English-language lecture by Fred Leuchter in Germany into German. He was at first acquitted by a German judge who found him to be an upright and decent patriot, then recharged and convicted by a different judge after an artificially created international media uproar. Now German prosecutors keep piling court case after court case on Deckert while he is in jail. He bravely keeps fighting on.

 

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Hans Schmidt - Arrested, tried and jailed in Germany, even though he was a US citizen. German-American author and publisher of a German- as well as an English-language newsletter (GANPAC Brief and USA-Berichte), Schmidt was arrested in 1995 for having written about a "Jew- and Freemason infested" oligarchy and media ruling today's Germany. He spent 5 months in prison for four words. Released on bail and in ill health, Schmidt returned to the USA where he wrote a book about his experience in Germany, titled "Jailed in Democratic Germany." He has been a thorn in the side of the German vassal authorities for many years.

 

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David Cole - Became a victim of the JDL. Was physically beaten. Had his life threatened on the Internet by the Jewish Defense League. Background and contribution: This young Jewish Revisionist filmmaker came to the defense of Ernst Zundel when Zundel needed defending. Subsequently, Zundel and Cole made a film in Auschwitz, with David Cole pointing out all the things wrong with that theme park of hate against Germans. Later yet, Cole came to Canada to lecture to large audiences on his Revisionist findings in Auschwitz, together with David Irving. He also appeared with Zundel in Munich, Germany, spreading Revisionism right under the watchful eyes of the German political police. In a vicious letter posted on the Internet, the Jewish Defense League threatened Cole's life. Emotionally fragile and torn between his conscience and family loyalties as well as filial devotion, he could not withstand the pressure and recanted with an abject apology to his tribesmen and tormentors. Every serious Revisionist understands that this act of recantation was coerced and may have bought David his very survival.

 

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Jürgen Graf - Charged, tried and convicted in Switzerland. Fired for the second time from his teaching post. Background and contribution: A Swiss school teacher and language genius, Graf speaks almost one dozen languages fluently and understands many more, some of them the most exotic ones such as Russian, Japanese, Thai as well as Malay and Filipino dialects. Author of several books, among them "Der Holocaust auf dem Prüfstand" (The Holocaust on Trial), he went recently to Russia where he researched Russian archives for months. The Swiss government charged, tried and convicted Graf in 1998 to 15 months in jail under the new anti-Revisionist law adopted by the Swiss in 1994. His German-born, 80-year-old publisher was likewise convicted to 1 year in prison.

 

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Siegfried Verbeke - Currently on trial in Holland under immense police pressure in Belgium. Endured numerous police raids and business boycotts. Background and contribution: The most dynamic Revisionist in Belgium and maybe all of Europe, Verbeke published numerous books, booklets, magazines and tracts for European Revisionists. Verbeke is now himself on trial, together with Dr. Faurisson - accused of cutting into the financial profits of the Anne Frank Foundation because of their books and texts critical of the Anne Frank Diary. Both are currently appealing a Dutch verdict. Verbeke seems undeterred by numerous police raids. Europe-wide, he carries on with a vigorous mass circulation, grassroots-based Revisionist Truth-in-History campaign in several European languages.

 

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Carlos Porter - Charged, tried in absentia, and convicted in Germany. Background and contribution: An American ex-patriate, skilled linguist and translator living in Belgium and author of numerous books - "Not Guilty at Nuremberg", "Made in Russia: The Holocaust" subtitled "The German Defenses Case" - Porter was charged by the Germans in 1997. He refused to attend the trial, was tried in absentia and convicted. He responded with a defiant, blistering Emile Zola-like excoriating written counterattack to the judge in his case, and presently is waiting to be arrested and taken to Germany to serve his sentence there.

 

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Ingrid Rimland - Vilified by the ADL as an "Extremist." Had her new trilogy "Lebensraum!" seized by the hundreds and banned in Canada as "hate material." Background and contribution: A relative newcomer to Revisionism, Ingrid Rimland is best known for her novels dealing with World War II that bring to life and explain the underlying reasons of the Third Reich's struggle against Communism. Canada Customs confiscated and banned the titles, even though there was not enough time to have these massive, well-researched books read, much less professionally content-evaluated. Rimland has had global mainstream media coverage as the defender of the controversy-dogged Zundelsite - which seems to be the reason her name as been smeared as an "Extremist" in a 1997 ADL smear publication.

 

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Pedro Varela - Grotesquely charged with "genocide" - for selling books. Background and contribution: Spanish bookseller and well-known, long-time leader of the Spanish youth group "Cedade", Varela is currently before the Spanish courts for "genocide" for selling historical, Revisionist and National Socialist books. Jewish Lobbyists have asked for a 24 year prison term for Varela.

 

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Ahmed Rami - Tried, convicted and imprisoned in Sweden. Background and contribution: Rami is a former Moroccan military officer living in exile in Sweden, where he used to run "Radio Islam", a radio program that was closed down due to Holocaust Lobby pressure. He was tried and convicted in Sweden for his Revisionist views and served a nine month prison term. Now he runs a much-visited, multilingual website famous the world over, which has come under repeated attack by French and Swedish Jewish sources. He won several court skirmishes, and for the moment seems to hold his own.

 

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Nick Griffin - Charged, tried, convicted and fined in England. Background and contribution: Famous for his recent court case over pictures and words published in the magazine "The Rune", Griffin, a well-known British political activist, was charged, tried and convicted as a sacrificial lamb on the altar of Tony Blair's election promises - to be "tougher on Revisionists and racists." Two US black separatist leaders spoke out as witnesses for Griffin, but he was convicted nonetheless to a steep fine of L3,000. (The expert witness for the defense was none other than Dr. Robert Faurisson who helped out once again when help was needed.) Griffin is reported to be unbowed.

 

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Jean Marie Le Pen - Charged, convicted and under political sanctions in France. Background and contribution: The flamboyant French leader of the "Front National", the largest and most promising nationalist political party in Europe, "belittled" the Holocaust and called it "a mere detail, a footnote in the history of WWII" - apparently using the phrase on three different occasions! He was recently convicted in a French court under the Communist-inspired Gayssot Law. He was given a steep fine and forbidden to run in elections for the next two years. Le Pen is undeterred, even though politically victimized for years by the French political establishment and a disgustingly hypocritical, largely Jewish-dominated French media.

 

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Roger Garaudy - Charged, tried and convicted in France. Background and contribution: A former French Communist leader, philosopher and recent convert to Revisionism and Islam, Garaudy was charged, tried and convicted for writing a semi-Revisionist book titled "The Founding Myths of Israeli Politics," in which he had quoted extensively from material by Dr. Faurisson (without attribution) and by Barbara Kulaszka's book "Did Six Million Really Die?" (with attribution). He was condemned to a $50,000 fine. His trial was a farce and his performance in court disappointing. However, as a result, he seems to have kicked loose an avalanche of Revisionist thought and activities in the Moslem world, much to the chagrin of Israel - a country that more and more considers Revisionism its Number One problem.

 

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Abbe Pierre - Victim of fierce world-wide media vilification. Background and contribution: Considered a male "Mother Theresa" for his altruistic dedication to the poor of France, this famous pro-Marxist French cleric endorsed Roger Garaudy's Revisionist book - and was almost crucified by a vitriolic media reaction. The Holocaust Enforcers made a huge mistake picking on this man. He fired back salvo after salvo - much to everyone's surprise. He fought bravely for a man well into his eighties, but in the end fled into a monastery in Italy - from where he apologized under pressure from his church.

 

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Dr. Robert Countess - Vilified by the Canadian Human Rights Tribunal and the intervenor lawyers in the most recent Political Show Trial case of Ernst Zundel. Background and contribution: The American Revisionist, former army chaplain, lecturer, writer and globe-trotting good-will ambassador, Dr. Robert Countess, was targeted for a special smear- and vilification campaign by Jewish intervenors at the Zundel CHRT Inquisition in Toronto in June 1998. He was sneeringly denied expert witness status, even though he was completely familiar with all the major works discussed and had been in touch with most authors, even in person, dealing with the Holocaust topic - pro and con. Dr. Countess left the "People's Republic of Canada", as he called it, for the safety and constitutionally governed and protected USA, from where he vowed to carry on the struggle for freedom of speech with still greater vigor.

 

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Henri Roques - Had his doctorate revoked. Background and contribution: Henri Rocques is a French author and researcher who exposed the Myth of Pope Pius XII's complicity in the Holocaust. His doctoral thesis made world-wide headlines in 1986 when, for the first time in the nearly eight-century history of French universities, a duly awarded doctorate was quickly revoked on French government's orders, after an outry by the Leftist-Jewish media in France. In a tightly argued dissertation, Rocques came to the stunning conclusion that the allegations of mass gassings of Jews made by SS officer Kurt Gerstein were groundless, and that the supposed Roman-Catholic coverup of this "slaughter" are false. He further concluded that postwar academics deliberately falsified key parts of the already tortured Gerstein testimony. His dissertation was eventually published by the Institute for Historical Review in book form under the title "The Confessions of Kurt Gerstein."

 

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Doug Collins - Harassed and vilified by the BC Human Rights Commisson. Financially penalized. Background and contribution: Doug Collins was a British soldier in World War II. He was captured and escaped several times. He worked in an intelligence capacity with the British Control Commission in occupied Germany after the war. He emigrated to Canada in the 1950s and worked for several Canadian newspapers. He drew the ire of the Holocaust Enforcers after he testified for Ernst Zundel in the 1985 Great Holocaust Trial. He declared that as a journalist, he saw nothing wrong with the booklet "Did Six Million Really Die?" and that he found no "hate" in that 30,000 word essay. An award-winning journalist and TV commentator and the author of several books, Collins was hauled before a quasi-court by Holocaust Enforcers when he wrote a column about "Swindler's List" and commented on the preponderance of Jews in Hollywood. He and his paper had to defend themselves before the British Columbia Human Rights Commission, which, in the end, ruled in his favor, after his paper spent more than $200,000 and Collins spent $50,000 of his own money. Barely had he won the case when he was re-charged - for the same column, along with three others!

 

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Malcolm Ross - Fired from his teaching post for politically incorrect writings. Background and contribution: A Canadian school teacher and author, Ross was for years a thorn in the eyes of the Holocaust Lobby because of his writings. It took years to fire him under some flimsy excuse because he never taught his version of history in class. Charged and re-charged, he repeatedly won in appeal courts. After years of litigation, the Supreme Court in a unanimous ruling found Malcolm Ross guilty in the end, and he was sentenced to a fine. Today, he is the unemployed father of two children.

 

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Francois Duprat - Killed for distributing the French language version of "Did Six Million Really Die?" Background and contribution: A French writer, historian and educator, Duprat had introduced the booklet "Did Six Million Really Die?" in France by publishing the first French translation. He also published "The Mystery of the Gas Chamber." He was only 38 years old when his car was blown up by a bomb and he was assassinated on March 18, 1978. His wife, who was with him in the car, lost the use of her legs in this terrorist act. Two Jewish groups took credit for the assassination - the "Jewish Remembrance Commando" and another group who identified itself as ". . . Jewish Revolutionary Group." The assassins were never found.

 

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Thought for the Day: Two telling quotes from the New York Times, November 11, 1998:

 

"Thank God it's so different today," Mr. Wiesel said. "Today, there are Jewish presidents at Princeton, Harvard, Yale and Northwestern. Something happened in America. Of course we had to pay a price: The Holocaust. But the Holocaust has changed America."

 

Deborah Lipstadt, professor of Religion at Emory University in Atlanta and well-known Holocaust Enforcer: "People know they can't behave that way or say these things publicly, and that's progress."

 

http://www.holocaustinfo.net/revisjonister.php

 

 

 

 

*La en særdeles lang oppramsing i spoiler*

Endret 15. februar 2011 av Rampage

[pk2010]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3BX4qnfH9g

[Erratum]

http://www.holocaustinfo.net/ virker som en svært tvilsom og lite troverdig side. Jeg ser Tore Tvedt fra Vigrid og jeg merker jeg blir kvalm. Virker som en veldig useriøs side.

[pk2010]

http://www.holocaustinfo.net/ virker som en svært tvilsom og lite troverdig side. Jeg ser Tore Tvedt fra Vigrid og jeg merker jeg blir kvalm. Virker som en veldig useriøs side.

Følelser.

[Erratum]

Tyskerne selv listet opp millioner av jøder som ble drept, de filmet også en god del av det. Men du tror vel det ble spilt inn i Hollywood?

 

Også har vi arkivene til de russiske, amerikanske, franske og engelske styrkene som møtte på utrydningsleirene.

 

 

 

Tyskerne listet opp millioner av jøder som ble drept?

De filmet en god del av det?

Hva fins i disse arkivene?

 

La oss begynne med dette med filmingen. Hvor kan jeg få se disse filmene eller filmklippene? Dette var nok noe du fant opp i farten. Så vidt jeg vet eksisterer ingen film som bekrefter Holocaust. Ikke heller et fotografi. Eller en gjenstand. Eller et dokument.

 

Det som fins i arkivene er vel gjerne noe i stil med dette, tenker jeg:

http://www.usmbooks....z-monowitz.html

 

Sant nok: i tillegg til det tyske Arolsen-arkivet så har nasjonalarkivet i England og i USA svært mange dokumenter fra nazi-Tyskland. Men dessverre for deg fins det ikke et eneste dokument som bekrefter hverken Holocaust eller at tyskerne ga sine fanger særlig dårlig behandling.

 

Du kan vedde på at lå det noe i arkivene som kunne brukes til å selge Holocaust-myten så hadde det forlengst blitt brukt. Når det gjelder arkivene har vi et helt annet problem: nemlig at det er svært vanskelig for personer utenfor det offentlige å få tilgang til dokumentene som ligger der. Jeg har sjekket saken og måtte faktisk gi opp min ambisjon om å få tak i krigsrapporter fra det engelske arkivet. Og det er nok like vanskelig med de andre arkivene. Meningen er helt klart at dette er informasjon man ikke vil at folk skal ta del av. På nettsiden jeg lenket til ovenfor sies det t.o.m. at mange slike dokumenter er hemmelighetsstemplet fram til 2050.

 

"It is known that British intelligence units intercepted and translated concentration camp status reports during World War II and were therefore entirely aware of the activities within the camps, the demographics of the prisoners, those who escaped and even those who died or were executed. Unfortunately for those of us interested in history, all access to the British information will be denied until at least the year 2050."

 

Men, jeg fikk til å bekrefte med Arolsen at disse to dokumentene er autentiske:

 

 

 

The Aschwitz Death Registers: http://www.historiog...deathbooks.html

 

Sorry, men det fins ingen liste med millioner av mennesker holocaustet av tyskerne. Bortsett fra den listen med navn som Yad Vashem har. Men jeg må si at jeg ikke har den ringeste anelse om hva denne listen er basert på. Slik jeg ser det er det mulig at hele listen er diktet opp. Har aldri hørt om noen som har prøvd å sjekke den.

 

Vi kunne jo sett på folketellingen såklart. Problemet er bare at oversikten fra årene 1942-1946 er litt vanskelig å få tak i. Og vi kan legge til et problem til: det er ikke lett å telle jøder. Kan du tenke deg en eller to grunner hvorfor?

 

Her er fra 1938:

 

Her er et sitat fra en jøde: "Before the Holocaust, there were 18 million Jews."

 

Hmmm... pussig. Folketellingen sier jo litt over 15 millioner.

 

Mer her: http://www.holocaustinfo.net/side2.php

 

P.S. Du har helt rett i at Hollywood har hjulpet til å lage propagandafilmer om "Holocaust."

 

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So what om noen har problemer med jøder/jødedommen? Hvorfor er det et problem for deg?

Det går jo faktisk ann å genuint bry seg om andre.

Og uansett:

First they came for the communists,

and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

 

Then they came for the trade unionists,

and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

 

Then they came for the Jews,

and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.

 

Then they came for me

and there was no one left to speak out for me.

 

 

Hva med Palestinere, Holocaust-benektere og nazister? Skal de også ha rettigheter...?

 

Her er en liste over Holocaust-benektere som har blitt forfulgt av akkurat de samme grupperingene som synger sin evige klagesang om Holocaust og jødeforfølgelse:

 

Forfølgelse av Holocaust-benektere

 

En oversikt fra 1998 over Holocaustinkvisisjonens mange ofre:

 

Paul Rassinier - Barred from entering Germany for trying to give testimony for the defense in political trials. Background and contribution: Born in 1906, Rassinier, a school teacher, is seen as the Father of modern European Revisionism. A French resistance fighter and friend of the Jews, he was imprisoned by the Germans for his illegal activities in Buchenwald and Camp Dora where he worked in the underground rocket factories. He was elected after the war as a member of the French National Assembly for the Socialist Party. Rassinier nonetheless wrote groundbreaking Revisionist books.

 

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Dr. Robert Faurisson - At least 10 times physically assaulted by Holocaust Enforcers; on several occasions nearly killed. Jaws broken. Teeth knocked out. Hospitalized for weeks. Persecuted mercilessly in endless legal battles. Background and contribution: Known as the "Dean of the world-wide Revisionist movement" and principal teacher of Ernst Zundel, Dr. Faurisson first discovered the technical and architectural drawings of the Auschwitz morgues, the crematories and other installations. He was also the first to insist that only a U.S. gas chamber expert could unravel the technical impossibility of the Auschwitz homicidal gassing story - as falsely told to the public for over half a century. Zundel mentor, advisor and trial witness in the 1984 preliminary hearings and in the 1985 and 1988 Great Holocaust Trials. Slated as expert witness for the 1991 Munich trial of Ernst Zundel. (The prosecution dropped the Anne Frank Diary part of the charge in mid-trial after they learned that Dr. Faurisson was going to testify to that point.)

 

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Thies Christophersen - Forced to flee from country to country. Hounded to death after numerous acid attacks, arson, and attempts on his life and property. Background and contribution: As a German agrarian expert, Christophersen was stationed at Auschwitz in the critical period 1943-44. As a German expert, he had access to the entire camp. He took valuable photographs at the time. He was the first Revisionist eyewitness to come forward stating categorically that there were no gas chambers for killing humans in Auschwitz. He wrote the famous booklet, "Die Auschwitz-Lüge", (The Auschwitz Lie) translated into many languages. Zundel witness in the 1985 and 1988 Great Holocaust Trials.

 

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Judge Wilhelm Stäglich - Was tried and convicted in post-war German courts. Had his doctorate stripped from him and his pension cut for speaking out. Background and contribution: Judge Stäglich, stationed during WWII in the Auschwitz area with an anti-aircraft unit, published a groundbreaking book "Der Auschwitz Mythos" (The Auschwitz Myth) - seized, forbidden and destroyed by West German court order.

 

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Joseph Burg (Ginzburg) - Persecuted and beaten by Holocaust Enforcers of Jewish Defense League type thugs. Denied burial in the Munich Jewish cemetery. (Ernst Zundel and Otto Ernst Remer gave the eulogies.) Background and contribution: Author of many books ("Schuld und Schicksal", "Zionazi", "Das Tagebuch der Anne Frank", "Auschwitz in alle Ewigkeit" etc.) as well as many pamphlets and two documentary interviews with Ernst Zundel. Chief Jewish advisor, mentor and Zundel witness in the 1988 Great Holocaust Trial.

 

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Professor Arthur Butz - Vilified and persecuted for almost three decades. Background and contribution: An American electrical engineer and university professor, Butz wrote the "Bible" of modern Revisionism titled "The Hoax of the 20th Century". This book, which deals with most details of Holocaust lore from "shrunken heads" to "Jewish soap" and "gassing" claims, more than any other influenced Ernst Zundel in his Revisionist research.

 

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Haviv Schieber - Driven to attempted suicide Background and contribution: A Polish Jew and former mayor of Ber Sheeba in Israel, Schieber taught Ernst Zundel much about Israeli reality. He was an Israeli Revisionist, wanting to revise Israel's attitudes, institutions and borders. He fled Israel to find safety in the USA, was denied political asylum at first, and tried to take his life by slashing his wrists at Washington, D.C. airport on the day of his deportation. He was finally allowed refuge from Israeli persecution in the US in the early 1970s.

 

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Ditlieb Felderer - Charged, tried, convicted and jailed in Sweden. Vilified in the press. Forced to live in exile. Background and contribution: Felderer, at one time a prominent Jehovah's Witness, is known as an early researcher into the physical evidence in every major concentration camp in then Communist Eastern Europe. Felderer took over 30,000 photographs of every conceivable detail in the camps. He discovered that there was a swimming pool for the inmates in Auschwitz, modern hospital facilities, including a gynecological section, as well as an orchestra, live theatre, well-stocked library, and sculpting classes. He discovered the musical score of the "Auschwitz Waltz" in the secret archives accessible only with special permission. He found that an intimate role was played by Jehovah Witnesses in the camps, who cooperated with the SS-Administration, and he exposed the lie of the 27,000 Jehovah's Witnesses killed. (On his initiative and insistence, the inflated number was reduced to 270). For his Revisionist work, Felderer was excommunicated - that is, drummed out of the Jehovah Witnesses' sect. He has been persecuted by the Holocaust Enforcers ever since. Felderer is known for his weird sense of humor and outlandish, offensive cartoons. He believes that deliberate Holocaust liars and history falsifiers should not have their sensibilities spared. This idiosyncrasy of Felderers is being exploited by Holocaust propagandists in counter-attacks against him. Zundel advisor and witness in the 1985 and 1988 Great Holocaust Trials. (Ernst added: Check with Barb's book or Mark Weber)

 

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Professor Austin App - Persecuted for his courageous and tireless truth campaign for two generations on behalf of German-Americans. Background and contribution: A German-American community leader and author of many booklets and tracts - among them "The Six Million Swindle," "Action on a War Crime," "The Bombing Atrocity of Dresden," "Ravaging the women of Conquered Europe," and many others - Professor App was an early guide of Ernst Zundel.

 

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Ernst Zundel - Three documented assassination attempts by fire and pipe bombs. Endless legal harassment leading to repeated jailings and bankrupting of his graphic arts business. Background and contribution: Nicknamed the "Revisionist Dynamo" or the "Revisionist Renaissance Man" for his untiring Revisionist Truth Campaign and his comprehensive grasp of complex political issues, Zundel - more than any other Revisionist on earth - caused the Holocaust Hoax to become a mainstream topic of discussion. Extensive chronological biography on the Zundelsite.

 

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Jim Keegstra - Lost his job and his reputation was destroyed. Prevented an arson attempt against him. Was convicted to a $3,000 fine after 10 years of costly litigation. Was financially ruined by his ordeal. Background and contribution: A Canadian school teacher of Dutch background, Keegstra taught both sides of the Holocaust and other questions of history. He was charged under Canada's infamous "Hate Laws", and was tried and convicted. He appealed - and was re-tried and re-convicted. Three times, his case went to the Supreme Court. He ultimately lost. Zundel witness in the 1985 Great Holocaust Trial.

 

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Frank Walus - Attacked seven times by Jewish assailants; nearly killed in an acid attack. Lost his US citizenship and his home to pay for his defense. Background and contribution: A Polish German-American auto worker, Walus was targeted and accused falsely by Simon Wiesenthal to be a "Nazi War Criminal." Vilified by the US media in a vicious campaign as the "Butcher of Kielce", Walus fought bravely against his tormentors of the Office of Special Investigations, also known as the US "Nazi Hunters". He ultimately won his case against them in a costly appeals process but died after several massive heart attacks - a bitter, financially ruined man. He refused to be buried on US soil because he felt the country had betrayed and failed him. Zundel witness in the 1985 Great Holocaust Trial.

 

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Emil Lachout - Mercilessly hounded by Austrian authorities and the Austrian lapdog media for over a decade. Forced to undergo a humiliating psychiatric assessment. Background and contribution: An Austrian school teacher, former military police man and Boy Scout leader, Lachout's name is associated with the famous Müller-Lachout document. He ultimately won his case in the European Court of Human Rights. Austria must pay him compensation but hasn't done yet - so far. Never a man to do things by halves, Lachout is demanding an apology from the Austrian State. Zundel witness in the 1988 Great Holocaust Trial.

 

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Tjiudar Rudolph - Imprisoned in Germany for lengthy stints for "doubting the Holocaust", even though he was in his mid-eighties at the time. Background and contribution: A former German Security Service member, fluent in five languages including Yiddish and Polish, Rudolph was involved with organizing Red Cross inspection tours of Auschwitz and other camps during the war. He wrote numerous Revisionist articles. He accompanied Fred Leuchter as translator to Auschwitz and Maidanek in 1988. He was charged and convicted for publishing a newsletter disputing the "Six Million" story. Zundel witness in the 1985 and 1988 Great Holocaust Trials.

 

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Udo Walendy - Convicted and imprisoned in Germany for 15 months, even though already in his seventies and in poor health with a serious heart condition. Background and contribution: A prolific German researcher, writer and publisher of numerous books and a series of popular booklets called "Historische Tatsachen"- ("Historical Truths") including the German version of "Did Six Million Really Die?" and the German language version of the Leuchter Report #1 - Walendy was dragged before the courts numerous times. His home and offices were frequently raided by the police. Business files, books, printing plates and computers were confiscated. Zundel advisor and witness in the 1985 and 1988 Great Holocaust Trials.

 

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Fred Leuchter - Arrested and jailed in Germany. Financially ruined. Background and contribution: An American execution expert, Leuchter designed and maintained gas chambers for several US penal institutions. He was sent by Ernst Zundel to investigate Auschwitz, Majdanek, Dachau, Hartheim and other alleged "Nazi Death Camps" and "gassing facilities." Author of the devastating series of Leuchter Reports. (I, II, III, IV) and many articles and videotaped presentations that resulted from these investigations, Leuchter was blacklisted in the US and hounded by the Holocaust Promotion Lobby and the world's lapdog media. He was arrested and jailed in Germany for giving an anti-Holocaust lecture for Günther Deckert, a well-known political party leader. Allowed out on bail, Leuchter returned to the US. and chose not to go back to Germany to stand trial. Nonetheless, he lost his livelihood as a result. Sensational Zundel witness in the Great Holocaust Trial in 1988. Leuchter, although present in the courtroom in Munich, was not allowed to testify about his research findings in Auschwitz for Ernst Zundel in the German (Munich) Trial in 1991.

 

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Ivan Lagace - Became the target of several Royal Canadian Mounted Police raids. Resigned from his job as crematory director after receiving endless threats by anonymous callers and from thugs claiming to be the Jewish Defense League. Background and contribution: A crematory expert from Calgary, Alberta, who had been responsible for the disposing of 10,000 bodies in his career, Lagace finally sorted out - publicly and in open court - all the fanciful lies about the Germans supposedly "cremating multiple corpses in single corpse retorts" in Auschwitz, Birkenau and elsewhere. Lagace's testimony put an end to the wild claims by so-called "death camp survivors" about ". . . cremating bodies in five minutes" etc. His testimony - together with Fred Leuchter's findings as well as the lab results presented by Dr. James Roth of Alpha Laboratories from the soil and rock samples Leuchter had brought from Auschwitz to the USA - spelled the death knell of fanciful "survivor" claims. Lagace was raided by the Royal Canadian Mounted Police in his crematory office where he was making notes and keeping photographs taken for future court cases hidden in a container for human ashes. Zundel witness in the Great Holocaust Trial of 1988.

 

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Gerd Honsik - Convicted, fined and driven into exile. Background and contribution: Honsik, an Austrian writer and poet, wrote several devastating books - one exposing Simon Wiesenthal, one titled "Freispruch für Hitler" and a third "33 Witnesses against the Gas Chamber Lie." He was convicted in Austria and Germany to fines in excess of DM 50,000 and forced to go into exile in Spain where he now lives, Gerd Honsik writes a monthly Revisionist newsletter in tabloid format titled "Halt!" ("Stop!") - meaning "Stop the hatred and lies!"

 

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Imre Finta - Victimized by the media and financially totally ruined by civil law suits mismanaged by his first lawyers. Criminally charged and prosecuted as a "war criminal" in Canada. Background and contribution: A retired Hungarian police captain, Finta was accused by Sabina Citron and others for allegedly persecuting Jews in Hungary during the war. After lengthy legal battles, he was ultimately acquitted by unanimous jury verdict when Ernst Zundel's attorneys, Doug Christie and Barbara Kulaszka, took over his defense and won his victory in court. The jurors obviously did not believe the many Israeli and Jewish eye-witnesses!

 

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Otto Ernst Remer - Tried and convicted to more than one year imprisonment, even though he was over 80 years old and in ill health. Background and contribution: A German war hero who successfully thwarted the military putsch by German traitors against Hitler in Berlin on 20 July 1944, Remer seized the political opportunity brought about by the revelations of the Leuchter Report. He made the findings known to millions of people by privately publishing "Die Remer Depesche", a mass circulation tabloid style newspaper. The German vassal regime came down hard on the old soldier. He was tried and convicted to prison. He went into exile in Spain, wheelchair-bound, where he died. His widow now has to fight for her pension. She refuses to return his ashes to Germany until such time when her husband's remains can be returned under honorable circumstances.

 

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Jerome Brentar - His reputation tarnished and his company boycotted, Brentar lost his livelihood for saving a man from the noose. Background and contribution: This Croation-American trained social worker and Christian activist has helped every falsely accused "war criminal" - from Frank Walus to Dr. Arthur Rudolf to Mr. Bartesch. He was of immense help to John Demjanjuk. Due to the tireless work of this saintly man, Walus and Demjanjuk won their cases in the end. Brentar spent almost $500,000 of his own funds to help pay for the lawyers' fees, translators, flights, hotel accommodations, meals, and witness fees. He lost his once thriving Travel Agency because of the vicious publicity engendered, and now lives at the edge of poverty in forced retirement on his social security pension. Zundel researcher, advisor and witness in the 1985 Great Holocaust Trial.

 

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John Demjanjuk - Extradited, charged, tried, convicted and sentenced to death by hanging. Spent many years in prison. Background and contribution: Demjanjuk was a Ukrainian autoworker and former camp guard whose grotesque case saw him extradited to Israel from the USA for trial. Convicted to death by hanging, but ultimately released by the Israeli Supreme Court, who obviously did not believe what must have been the perjured or false testimony of Israeli eye-witnesses, Demjanjuk was saved from the noose because Jerry Brentar worked day and night to search and find exonerating documents, eye witnesses and handwriting experts to save Demjanjuk's life. America has returned his passport and must pay him his pension for all the years of his imprisonment. Hopefully, part of that money will go Jerry Brentar to recover his outlays.

 

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Germar Rudolf - Accused, tried and convicted in Germany. Career and doctorate dissertation ruined. Driven into exile. Background and contribution: This brilliant, German-trained chemist re-examined Auschwitz, Birkenau and other installations and buildings, testing rocks, soil and other physical samples for traces of Zyklon B. Following the pioneering work of Fred Leuchter, he put the final nail into the coffin of the Auschwitz story. Even though he did scientific work and was utterly apolitical, Rudolf's home and office were raided, computers seized etc. He was charged and tried in Germany for not believing in the standard Auschwitz story. As a scientist, he found the "gassing" claims to be scientifically untenable and, therefore, absurd. A modern day Galileo, Rudolf was found guilty and convicted because he refused to renounce scientific facts and his own scientific tests and findings. He was facing jail when he went into exile with his young wife and two babies. He now edits and publishes devastating refutations of the Allied Propaganda claims in a German-language journal. The Holocaust Enforcers are dogging his steps, and he faces endless hassles and trials, should the "German" vassal authorities ever get a hold of him. Zundel expert witness in chemistry in the Munich trial in 1991 - disallowed by the judge at the request of the prosecution.

 

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Attorney Jürgen Rieger - Attacked and beaten. Car blown up. Professional reputation and career ruined. Background and contribution: Long-time Zundel attorney in Germany, Rieger has been a defender of German patriots since his law school days. He has drawn the ire of the Holocaust Enforcers by winning the 1981 Zundel case in Stuttgart against the false claim that Zundel had published "hate literature", and winning several cases against the German vassal regime who had confiscated Zundel's postal bank account, unfreezing DM 30,000 in the process. He also managed to regain for Zundel his confiscated German passport - after a six-year legal battle. Rieger was attacked and beaten unconscious in broad daylight after leaving a Hamburg courthouse and had to be airlifted, near death, by helicopter to the trauma unit of the hospital of Hamburg University, where he lay unconscious for days. The assailants escaped after their assassination attempt. German police later caught one Turkish "guest worker" who was tried - and let go! The other culprits were never found.

 

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Attorney Doug Christie - Targeted professionally on numerous occasions with spurious charges of "unprofessional conduct" lodged with law societies in Canada. Background and contribution: Undoubtedly the finest constitutional and civil rights lawyer of his generation in Canada, Christie is known for his exceptional defenses of Ernst Zundel, Jim Keegstra, Malcolm Ross, Imre Finta and many other persecuted dissidents in Canada - and even the octogenarian, aristocratic Lady Birdwood in England. Under constant threat by busybodies in various law societies, usually the target of Jewish Holocaust Lobbyist complaints, Christie has frequently been intimidated during the Zundel trials by judges who threatened him with contempt of court when he called their arbitrary decisions into question. He is hated by all enemies of freedom, by many groveling politicians and the intellectual prostitutes in the Canadian media establishment. Christie has headed the Zundel legal defense team for over 15 years.

 

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Attorney Kirk Lyons - Viciously character-assassinated by the media and "Jewish defense" organizations after defending the rights of US patriots. Background and contribution: An American civil rights lawyer of note, skill and courage and defender of many patriots, especially the "Dead of Waco," Lyons has represented people like Fred Leuchter in controversial cases, and has lately been targeted by the conservative "Spotlight" for "special media treatment" because he won a large suit against a law firm which had mismanaged a case involving one of his clients, the former Populist Party of the USA and Don Wassal. Character assassins are still trying to falsely link Lyons to the Oklahoma City bombing via a client of his, Andy Strasmeir, son of a famous German political operative and advisor to Helmut Kohl. Lyons has also defended patriots in the famous "Fort Smith Sedition Trial" and has since been vilified by the ADL.

 

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Bradley Smith - Viciously character-assassinated and kicked off his web server. Background and contribution: A Libertarian, former bookstore owner, bullfighter, writer and broadcaster, Smith runs the wildly successful "Campus Project", placing ads in college and university student papers and asking for an open debate on the Holocaust. He is the owner of the popular CODOH website, known to be one of the top mainstream Revisionist websites on the Net, running head-to-head with Greg Raven's new Institute for Historical Review website now under construction. The Holocaust Lobby is relentless in its attacks against Bradley Smith, who speaks fluent Spanish and has moved to Mexico to cut costs. Zundel defense witness in the 1985 Great Holocaust Trial.

 

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Michael Hoffman II - Viciously character-assassinated. Background and contribution: Hoffman is a former Associated Press reporter and author of the first book on Ernst Zundel's 1985 Trial, a biography that has undergone many printings. He is an indefatigable Revisionist researcher. He publishes a monthly newsletter titled Revisionist History, and is the author and publisher of numerous books and booklets. A noted, talented speaker and producer of Revisionist videos, Hoffman is also one of Revisionists' most skilled and passionate writers. He has drawn the Holocaust Lobby's ire for his grass roots street level activism and manly courage.

 

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Ingrid Weckert - Tried, convicted and fined. Background and contribution: One of the best-known German historical researchers and writers, Weckert is best known for her book on the events leading up to Kristallnacht - a book called "Feuerzeichen" (Flashpoint). She has been subjected to police raids, during one of which Ernst Zundel was arrested in her apartment in Munich. A former tourist guide for travel agencies, she reads and speaks Hebrew. She knew Menachim Begin and other Jewish leaders personally and frequently visited Israel. In 1998, she was tried, convicted and fined DM 3,500 for writing a Revisionist article. She now lives at the edge of poverty from a small pension.

 

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Erhard Kemper - Legally harassed. Endlessly hounded. Background and contribution: Kemper is a German agrarian engineer and gifted, politically astute freelance writer who has been arrested, tried and convicted for his revisionist writings in Germany dozens of times. He is unbroken in spirit, in spite of the constant legal harassment and failing health as a result of his persecution. He has been completely impoverished and his health has been ruined, but he bravely soldiers on.

 

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Günther Deckert - Currently imprisoned in Bruchsal, Germany. Faces up to eight years incarceration. Background and contribution: A German educator, party leader, writer, public speaker and publicist, Deckert won fame for being tried and convicted after he simultaneously translated an English-language lecture by Fred Leuchter in Germany into German. He was at first acquitted by a German judge who found him to be an upright and decent patriot, then recharged and convicted by a different judge after an artificially created international media uproar. Now German prosecutors keep piling court case after court case on Deckert while he is in jail. He bravely keeps fighting on.

 

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Hans Schmidt - Arrested, tried and jailed in Germany, even though he was a US citizen. German-American author and publisher of a German- as well as an English-language newsletter (GANPAC Brief and USA-Berichte), Schmidt was arrested in 1995 for having written about a "Jew- and Freemason infested" oligarchy and media ruling today's Germany. He spent 5 months in prison for four words. Released on bail and in ill health, Schmidt returned to the USA where he wrote a book about his experience in Germany, titled "Jailed in Democratic Germany." He has been a thorn in the side of the German vassal authorities for many years.

 

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David Cole - Became a victim of the JDL. Was physically beaten. Had his life threatened on the Internet by the Jewish Defense League. Background and contribution: This young Jewish Revisionist filmmaker came to the defense of Ernst Zundel when Zundel needed defending. Subsequently, Zundel and Cole made a film in Auschwitz, with David Cole pointing out all the things wrong with that theme park of hate against Germans. Later yet, Cole came to Canada to lecture to large audiences on his Revisionist findings in Auschwitz, together with David Irving. He also appeared with Zundel in Munich, Germany, spreading Revisionism right under the watchful eyes of the German political police. In a vicious letter posted on the Internet, the Jewish Defense League threatened Cole's life. Emotionally fragile and torn between his conscience and family loyalties as well as filial devotion, he could not withstand the pressure and recanted with an abject apology to his tribesmen and tormentors. Every serious Revisionist understands that this act of recantation was coerced and may have bought David his very survival.

 

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Jürgen Graf - Charged, tried and convicted in Switzerland. Fired for the second time from his teaching post. Background and contribution: A Swiss school teacher and language genius, Graf speaks almost one dozen languages fluently and understands many more, some of them the most exotic ones such as Russian, Japanese, Thai as well as Malay and Filipino dialects. Author of several books, among them "Der Holocaust auf dem Prüfstand" (The Holocaust on Trial), he went recently to Russia where he researched Russian archives for months. The Swiss government charged, tried and convicted Graf in 1998 to 15 months in jail under the new anti-Revisionist law adopted by the Swiss in 1994. His German-born, 80-year-old publisher was likewise convicted to 1 year in prison.

 

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Siegfried Verbeke - Currently on trial in Holland under immense police pressure in Belgium. Endured numerous police raids and business boycotts. Background and contribution: The most dynamic Revisionist in Belgium and maybe all of Europe, Verbeke published numerous books, booklets, magazines and tracts for European Revisionists. Verbeke is now himself on trial, together with Dr. Faurisson - accused of cutting into the financial profits of the Anne Frank Foundation because of their books and texts critical of the Anne Frank Diary. Both are currently appealing a Dutch verdict. Verbeke seems undeterred by numerous police raids. Europe-wide, he carries on with a vigorous mass circulation, grassroots-based Revisionist Truth-in-History campaign in several European languages.

 

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Carlos Porter - Charged, tried in absentia, and convicted in Germany. Background and contribution: An American ex-patriate, skilled linguist and translator living in Belgium and author of numerous books - "Not Guilty at Nuremberg", "Made in Russia: The Holocaust" subtitled "The German Defenses Case" - Porter was charged by the Germans in 1997. He refused to attend the trial, was tried in absentia and convicted. He responded with a defiant, blistering Emile Zola-like excoriating written counterattack to the judge in his case, and presently is waiting to be arrested and taken to Germany to serve his sentence there.

 

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Ingrid Rimland - Vilified by the ADL as an "Extremist." Had her new trilogy "Lebensraum!" seized by the hundreds and banned in Canada as "hate material." Background and contribution: A relative newcomer to Revisionism, Ingrid Rimland is best known for her novels dealing with World War II that bring to life and explain the underlying reasons of the Third Reich's struggle against Communism. Canada Customs confiscated and banned the titles, even though there was not enough time to have these massive, well-researched books read, much less professionally content-evaluated. Rimland has had global mainstream media coverage as the defender of the controversy-dogged Zundelsite - which seems to be the reason her name as been smeared as an "Extremist" in a 1997 ADL smear publication.

 

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Pedro Varela - Grotesquely charged with "genocide" - for selling books. Background and contribution: Spanish bookseller and well-known, long-time leader of the Spanish youth group "Cedade", Varela is currently before the Spanish courts for "genocide" for selling historical, Revisionist and National Socialist books. Jewish Lobbyists have asked for a 24 year prison term for Varela.

 

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Ahmed Rami - Tried, convicted and imprisoned in Sweden. Background and contribution: Rami is a former Moroccan military officer living in exile in Sweden, where he used to run "Radio Islam", a radio program that was closed down due to Holocaust Lobby pressure. He was tried and convicted in Sweden for his Revisionist views and served a nine month prison term. Now he runs a much-visited, multilingual website famous the world over, which has come under repeated attack by French and Swedish Jewish sources. He won several court skirmishes, and for the moment seems to hold his own.

 

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Nick Griffin - Charged, tried, convicted and fined in England. Background and contribution: Famous for his recent court case over pictures and words published in the magazine "The Rune", Griffin, a well-known British political activist, was charged, tried and convicted as a sacrificial lamb on the altar of Tony Blair's election promises - to be "tougher on Revisionists and racists." Two US black separatist leaders spoke out as witnesses for Griffin, but he was convicted nonetheless to a steep fine of L3,000. (The expert witness for the defense was none other than Dr. Robert Faurisson who helped out once again when help was needed.) Griffin is reported to be unbowed.

 

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Jean Marie Le Pen - Charged, convicted and under political sanctions in France. Background and contribution: The flamboyant French leader of the "Front National", the largest and most promising nationalist political party in Europe, "belittled" the Holocaust and called it "a mere detail, a footnote in the history of WWII" - apparently using the phrase on three different occasions! He was recently convicted in a French court under the Communist-inspired Gayssot Law. He was given a steep fine and forbidden to run in elections for the next two years. Le Pen is undeterred, even though politically victimized for years by the French political establishment and a disgustingly hypocritical, largely Jewish-dominated French media.

 

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Roger Garaudy - Charged, tried and convicted in France. Background and contribution: A former French Communist leader, philosopher and recent convert to Revisionism and Islam, Garaudy was charged, tried and convicted for writing a semi-Revisionist book titled "The Founding Myths of Israeli Politics," in which he had quoted extensively from material by Dr. Faurisson (without attribution) and by Barbara Kulaszka's book "Did Six Million Really Die?" (with attribution). He was condemned to a $50,000 fine. His trial was a farce and his performance in court disappointing. However, as a result, he seems to have kicked loose an avalanche of Revisionist thought and activities in the Moslem world, much to the chagrin of Israel - a country that more and more considers Revisionism its Number One problem.

 

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Abbe Pierre - Victim of fierce world-wide media vilification. Background and contribution: Considered a male "Mother Theresa" for his altruistic dedication to the poor of France, this famous pro-Marxist French cleric endorsed Roger Garaudy's Revisionist book - and was almost crucified by a vitriolic media reaction. The Holocaust Enforcers made a huge mistake picking on this man. He fired back salvo after salvo - much to everyone's surprise. He fought bravely for a man well into his eighties, but in the end fled into a monastery in Italy - from where he apologized under pressure from his church.

 

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Dr. Robert Countess - Vilified by the Canadian Human Rights Tribunal and the intervenor lawyers in the most recent Political Show Trial case of Ernst Zundel. Background and contribution: The American Revisionist, former army chaplain, lecturer, writer and globe-trotting good-will ambassador, Dr. Robert Countess, was targeted for a special smear- and vilification campaign by Jewish intervenors at the Zundel CHRT Inquisition in Toronto in June 1998. He was sneeringly denied expert witness status, even though he was completely familiar with all the major works discussed and had been in touch with most authors, even in person, dealing with the Holocaust topic - pro and con. Dr. Countess left the "People's Republic of Canada", as he called it, for the safety and constitutionally governed and protected USA, from where he vowed to carry on the struggle for freedom of speech with still greater vigor.

 

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Henri Roques - Had his doctorate revoked. Background and contribution: Henri Rocques is a French author and researcher who exposed the Myth of Pope Pius XII's complicity in the Holocaust. His doctoral thesis made world-wide headlines in 1986 when, for the first time in the nearly eight-century history of French universities, a duly awarded doctorate was quickly revoked on French government's orders, after an outry by the Leftist-Jewish media in France. In a tightly argued dissertation, Rocques came to the stunning conclusion that the allegations of mass gassings of Jews made by SS officer Kurt Gerstein were groundless, and that the supposed Roman-Catholic coverup of this "slaughter" are false. He further concluded that postwar academics deliberately falsified key parts of the already tortured Gerstein testimony. His dissertation was eventually published by the Institute for Historical Review in book form under the title "The Confessions of Kurt Gerstein."

 

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Doug Collins - Harassed and vilified by the BC Human Rights Commisson. Financially penalized. Background and contribution: Doug Collins was a British soldier in World War II. He was captured and escaped several times. He worked in an intelligence capacity with the British Control Commission in occupied Germany after the war. He emigrated to Canada in the 1950s and worked for several Canadian newspapers. He drew the ire of the Holocaust Enforcers after he testified for Ernst Zundel in the 1985 Great Holocaust Trial. He declared that as a journalist, he saw nothing wrong with the booklet "Did Six Million Really Die?" and that he found no "hate" in that 30,000 word essay. An award-winning journalist and TV commentator and the author of several books, Collins was hauled before a quasi-court by Holocaust Enforcers when he wrote a column about "Swindler's List" and commented on the preponderance of Jews in Hollywood. He and his paper had to defend themselves before the British Columbia Human Rights Commission, which, in the end, ruled in his favor, after his paper spent more than $200,000 and Collins spent $50,000 of his own money. Barely had he won the case when he was re-charged - for the same column, along with three others!

 

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Malcolm Ross - Fired from his teaching post for politically incorrect writings. Background and contribution: A Canadian school teacher and author, Ross was for years a thorn in the eyes of the Holocaust Lobby because of his writings. It took years to fire him under some flimsy excuse because he never taught his version of history in class. Charged and re-charged, he repeatedly won in appeal courts. After years of litigation, the Supreme Court in a unanimous ruling found Malcolm Ross guilty in the end, and he was sentenced to a fine. Today, he is the unemployed father of two children.

 

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Francois Duprat - Killed for distributing the French language version of "Did Six Million Really Die?" Background and contribution: A French writer, historian and educator, Duprat had introduced the booklet "Did Six Million Really Die?" in France by publishing the first French translation. He also published "The Mystery of the Gas Chamber." He was only 38 years old when his car was blown up by a bomb and he was assassinated on March 18, 1978. His wife, who was with him in the car, lost the use of her legs in this terrorist act. Two Jewish groups took credit for the assassination - the "Jewish Remembrance Commando" and another group who identified itself as ". . . Jewish Revolutionary Group." The assassins were never found.

 

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Thought for the Day: Two telling quotes from the New York Times, November 11, 1998:

 

"Thank God it's so different today," Mr. Wiesel said. "Today, there are Jewish presidents at Princeton, Harvard, Yale and Northwestern. Something happened in America. Of course we had to pay a price: The Holocaust. But the Holocaust has changed America."

 

Deborah Lipstadt, professor of Religion at Emory University in Atlanta and well-known Holocaust Enforcer: "People know they can't behave that way or say these things publicly, and that's progress."

 

http://www.holocaust...visjonister.php

 

 

 

 

 

Gidder du å legge det i spoiler?

Endret 14. februar 2011 av Erratum

[vill panda]

Jeg skjønner at mange av dere har problemer med å forstå at en del mennesker fornekter holocaust. Problemet er at dette har lenge vært et veldig tabubelagt emne i lang tid.Dette forumet har feks. en såkalt trolling paragraf som har forhindret personer som vil skrive litt om temaer som strider mot den alminnelige lære. Det samme gjelder for forlag, de ville neppe godtatt at noen hadde skrevet en bok som fornekter holocaust.

Mange vet ikke engang hva den 2 verdenskrig handlet om, for den offisielle lære er veldig feil på mange punkter.

Og som jeg tidligere har nevnt, ordet jøde har to forskjellige betydninger, det mosaiske tros samfunn består fremdeles i de fleste land i verden. Og de som tilhører jødedommen fikk landet israel som gave mot at de tok på seg oppgaven som offre under 2 verdenskrig. De hadde opprinnelig sitt eget land, men dette landet ble satt under vann, slik at jødene ble spredt utover mange land i verden.

Norge har heller ikke vært på samme sted hele tiden, før 1940 var Norge et land som befant seg ved Belgia og Frankrike. Snart overtar landet Qatar rollen som Norge.

Endret 14. februar 2011 av Beena

[BelzeBob]

Gidder du å legge det i spoiler?

 

Huh? Spoiler jeg kanskje dine illusjoner?

 

Dere troende er bra hjernevaskede. Ser det åpenbart er et problem at jeg lenker til Tvedt på nettsiden min. For Tvedt har fått nazi-stempelet og er automatisk "useriøs." Hva Tvedt faktisk sier om Holocaust derimot, hvilke argumenter han har osv. - nei, det er det visst ingen som tar seg bryet med å undersøke.

 

I Norge er det Tvedt som er satt i gapestokken. I andre land er det andre personer. Det de har til felles: de rokker ved Holocaust-myten. Og det skal ikke gå hen ustraffet. Forøvrig lenker jeg til mange andre enn Tvedt. Personer som garantert er veldig forskjellige og har forskjellige politiske og religiøse syn. Men emnet er altså Holocaust og jeg lenker til folk som har god informasjon om Holocaust.

 

Du kan si "men hvorfor lenker du ikke til anerkjente eksperter og akademikere?"

 

Her er problemet: så fort en akademiker, eller en person i en eller annen annen kategori stiller seg kritisk til Holocaust-myten, så blir den personen automatisk stemplet som en løgner, en kjeltring, nynazist, fanatiker, sjarlatan osv osv. At personer som Simon Wiesenthal, Raul Hilberg o.a. kan lyge og svindle så det ryker går derimot helt bra. Fordi de er til nytte for Holocaust-mafiaen.

 

Dette er politikk.

 

Prøv å ha ditt eget syn på ting. Gjør din egen forskning. Kom fram til dine egne konklusjoner. Og for å gjøre dette så må du i det minste kikke på hva "skurker" som Tvedt og meg selv har å si. For vi presenterer et annet syn enn det media ellers tvangsforer deg med.

 

Jeg har ikke alltid "fornektet" Holocaust. Jeg trodde mer eller mindre på historien slik de fleste andre gjør. Inntil jeg så denne for første gang:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DF08knOCVI4

 

David Cole, som laget dokumentaren, er forresten jøde. Men ettersom han er Holocaust-benekter så må vi vel kalle ham nynazist?

 

 

David Cole

 

Må si jeg også blir litt lei av disse Orwellianske uttrykkene; Holocaust-benekter og Holocaust-fornekter. Hvilke andre dobbel-ord har vi som slutter i -benekter eller -fornekter? Dette har jeg satt søkelys på før, men det virker som at de fleste er for hjernevasket til å skjønne hva jeg mener.

 

Kjenn på den negative ladningen disse ordene har. Allerede på det språklige nivået er det liksom en umulighet at en som ikke tror på Holocaust kan være en normal person.

 

Holocaust er en historisk hendelse. Eller muligens, slik jeg tror, en historisk ikke-hendelse. Uansett: andre verdenskrig er en historisk hendelse. Hvorfor skal det være forbudt å ha ens egen oppfatning om hva som skjedde eller ikke skjedde i andre verdenskrig? Vi har jo lov til å synse og mene og forske om de aller fleste andre historiske hendelser. Og forskere i dag sitter og reviderer historien om gamle Egypt og Babylon. Men det skal ikke gå an å revidere historien om andre verdenskrig? Hvorfor ikke?

 

Minner om at det i Tyskland i dag faktisk kan være straffbart å hevde at 5.999.999 jøder døde i Holocaust og ikke 6 millioner. Dette er da ikke vitenskap - men religion. Religion av det verste, mest dogmatiske og autoritære slaget.

 

....Og de som tilhører jødedommen fikk landet Israel som gave mot at de tok på seg oppgaven som ofre under 2 verdenskrig. De hadde opprinnelig sitt eget land, men dette landet ble satt under vann, slik at jødene ble spredt utover mange land i verden.

 

De hadde et land som ble satt under vann? Dette visste jeg ikke. Kan du fortelle mer?

Endret 14. februar 2011 av BelzeBob

[pk2010]

Angående Tvedt så må jeg medgi at jeg fattet mere interesse for hva han har å si den dagen Dagbladet stengte han ute fra kommentarfeltet av ingen annen grunn enn at han var seg selv.

 

Husker ikke eksakt foklaringen til dagbladet, men det var i grove trekk at de ikke kunne tolerere mannen. Sier i grunn mye om de krefter som virkelig styrer landet vårt.

[Erratum]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DF08knOCVI4

 

 

Hvis denne filmen gjorde at du begynte å fornekte holocaust, er du svært lite kritisk. Filmen tar opp noen interessante punkter, men er på ingen måte bevis, kun spekulasjoner. Hvorfor benekter ikke Nazi-offiserene som jobbet på leirene Holocaust? De forteller til og med hvordan det var.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NpF3jGmKOM&playnext=1&list=PL225B5B1F1A871C14

 

Denne er også interessant.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRtNEzJPCSg&feature=related

 

 

 

 

Edit:

 

Angående Tvedt så må jeg medgi at jeg fattet mere interesse for hva han har å si den dagen Dagbladet stengte han ute fra kommentarfeltet av ingen annen grunn enn at han var seg selv.

 

Husker ikke eksakt foklaringen til dagbladet, men det var i grove trekk at de ikke kunne tolerere mannen. Sier i grunn mye om de krefter som virkelig styrer landet vårt.

 

Vigrid er en som jeg ikke regner som riktig klok. For det første er han dømt for vold mot en 14 år gammel jente (http://www.aftenblad..._av_Vigrid.html), for det andre så har en noen helt idiotiske uttalelser.

 

Intervjuer - Hva med jøder, de er jo hvite?

 

Tore Tvedt - De har stjålet blod og blitt hvite.

 

 

 

 

..men hvorfor skal vi ikke tro Tore Tvedt, han har jo blitt kontaktet av Odin i følge han selv.

Endret 14. februar 2011 av Erratum

[BelzeBob]

Erratum

 

Jeg ser ikke så veldig mye vits i å diskutere Tore Tvedt. Har du noe problem ang. Tvedt som person så kan du jo ringe og snakke med ham. Tydeligvis er det kun det personlige det går på - for du har jo ingen kritikk av det Tvedt faktisk sier om Holocaust.

 

Dette om det pussige ordet "fornekter" gikk deg hus forbi ser jeg. Men men, det er da ikke overraskende.

 

Du spør: "Hvorfor benekter ikke Nazi-offiserene som jobbet på leirene Holocaust?" Jo, det gjør de. Se den listen over forfulgte Holocaust-benektere i et av mine forrige innlegg. Og så skal du også vite at tortur og andre pressmidler ble brukt for å få nazistene til å si akkurat det man ville de skulle si. Altså: slike "tilståelser" er helt ubrukelige. Rudolf Höss, kommandanten i Auschwitz, tilstod å ha gasset 4 millioner jøder. Han hadde blitt torturert av en jøde som var soldat i den engelske hæren. Dette dokumenteres av nettopp denne soldaten i en bok han ga ut på 80-tallet. Men det blir ikke fortalt i disse "objektive" dokumentarene du har sett på. En annen offiser tilstod å ha gasset ikke mindre enn 25 millioner jøder. Det visste du vel heller ikke...

 

Nøyaktig hva er det du vil kritisere i David Coles dokumentar? Den er jo litt vanskelig å kritisere i og med at Cole ikke gjør annet enn å stille spørsmål og få svar, samt lister opp en del fakta og filmer i Auschwitz. Men for all del: fortell oss hva som er feil.

Endret 14. februar 2011 av BelzeBob

[Erratum]

Erratum

 

Jeg ser ikke så veldig mye vits i å diskutere Tore Tvedt. Har du noe problem ang. Tvedt som person så kan du jo ringe og snakke med ham. Tydeligvis er det kun det personlige det går på - for du har jo ingen kritikk av det Tvedt faktisk sier om Holocaust.

 

Dette om det pussige ordet "fornekter" gikk deg hus forbi ser jeg. Men men, det er da ikke overraskende.

 

Du spør: "Hvorfor benekter ikke Nazi-offiserene som jobbet på leirene Holocaust?" Jo, det gjør de. Se den listen over forfulgte Holocaust-benektere i et av mine forrige innlegg. Og så skal du også vite at tortur og andre pressmidler ble brukt for å få nazistene til å si akkurat det man ville de skulle si. Altså: slike "tilståelser" er helt ubrukelige. Rudolf Höss, kommandanten i Auschwitz, tilstod å ha gasset 4 millioner jøder. Han hadde blitt torturert av en jøde som var soldat i den engelske hæren. Dette dokumenteres av nettopp denne soldaten i en bok han ga ut på 80-tallet. Men det blir ikke fortalt i disse "objektive" dokumentarene du har sett på. En annen offiser tilstod å ha gasset ikke mindre enn 25 millioner jøder. Det visste du vel heller ikke...

 

Nøyaktig hva er det du vil kritisere i David Coles dokumentar? Den er jo litt vanskelig å kritisere i og med at Cole ikke gjør annet enn å stille spørsmål og få svar, samt lister opp en del fakta og filmer i Auschwitz. Men for all del: fortell oss hva som er feil.

 

Trenger jeg virkelig å fortelle hva som er spekulasjoner? Du er sikkert en oppegående person som kan se klippet å finne ut av det selv, hvis ikke du kan det - ser jeg ikke noe poeng i å prøve å forklare det til deg heller.

Endret 14. februar 2011 av Erratum

[BelzeBob]

Trenger jeg virkelig å fortelle hva som er spekulasjoner?

 

Kun om du har en interesse av å opplyse meg.

 

Personlig ser jeg på hele Holocaust som en spekulativ historie. Beviser for den påståtte masse-utryddelsen, gasskamre osv. har vi jo aldri sett.

 

Jeg har en liten spekulasjon selv: du har aldri sett hverken David Coles video eller andre dokumentarfilmer som stiller spørsmål ved Holocaust-myten.

 

Håper du kan forstå at det ikke er min plikt å bevise Holocaust. Jeg tror overhodet ikke på denne røverhistorien. Men om du tror på den så er det vel naturlig at du legger frem gode argumenter for at den er sann. Kan du ikke engang gjøre dette så skjønner jeg ikke hvorfor du deltar i diskusjonen.

 

Tenk deg en rettssak der anklageren sier til forsvareren: "Det fins masse beviser for at den tiltalte er skyldig, men disse kan du lete opp selv. Jeg gidder ikke å kaste bort tid på å forklare noe som helst."

 

Absurd.

Endret 14. februar 2011 av BelzeBob

[R@ge]

Tenk deg en rettssak der anklageren sier til forsvareren: "Det fins masse beviser for at den tiltalte er skyldig, men disse kan du lete opp selv. Jeg gidder ikke å kaste bort tid på å forklare noe som helst."

 

Når sant skal sies så er det faktisk slik det fungerer også da ^^

 

Et godt eksempel er jo den rettsaken hvor Ernst Zundel ble dømt og på tross av at han (om jeg ikke tolker hele saken feil) har bevist at det er store hull i den offisielle historien, og en ekspert selv sier det ikke finnes ett eneste bevis. Pussig nok så ser vi så 4:40 minutter ut i episode 6 av 7 at reporteren henviser til dommerens uttalelse om dette enorme bevismaterialet for at Holocaust skjedde.

 

Nå er det jo også mangelen på bevis som har satt oss i denne situasjonen i første omgang da, og en rekke lignende påstander om at det er så enormt godt bevist.

 

Slik jeg ser det er det en ganske enkel metode som er mye benyttet for å skape en overbevisning. Man får kort og godt media osv til å si at det er masse bevis og så vil de som ikke er våkne nok akseptere dette faktum.

 

Samme greia så vi jo et godt eksempel på i forkant av invasjonen i Irak. Det er jo en vel brukt metode for å skape en overbevisning.

 

I etterkant av krigen hvor tyskere var personifisert som ondskapen selv så var det nok enda enklere å få dette "bevist".

[Dux ducis]

Problemet ditt er at du er så ekstremt uintelligent og trangsynt at et forsøk på å forklare deg det vil føre til flere uker med smertefull debatt på dette forumet. Samtidig må vi ta flere forutsetninger enn jeg liker å ta i en slik debatt (noen av oss har vett nok til å ikke snakke over evne). Så inntil videre stoler jeg på historiebøkene. Jeg har i all hovedsak holdt meg til å vurdere deres argumenter, og ingen av de har overbevist meg (eller resten av verden) enda.

 

Alle filmer og intervjuer dere har fremlagt er av svært tvilsom kvalitet og/eller åpenbart motivert av sterke personlige følelser. Hver eneste lille film dere har lagt fram gjør at jeg sitter der som et spørsmålstegn: "HVORDAN kan de bevise dette? HVEM har fortalt dem dette? HVOR finner jeg dokumentasjon på dette?". Ser dere ikke dette selv? Og dere kan gjerne si at det hele er en konspirasjon og at vi ikke kan stole på historiebøkene, men hvis vi skal følge den logikken så er det SVÆRT mange historiske hendelser vi kan påstå at aldri skjedde. Nei, jeg holder meg til historiebøkene og konsensus inntil det kommer tilstrekkelige beviser for noe annet. Hadde det skjedd så hadde nok hele verden fått vite om det.

 

PS: Er det ikke litt merkelig at zionist-jødene ikke har likvidert BelzeBob? Han har jo "avslørt" svindelen deres. Det virker jo sannelig som om de har kapasitet til noe sånt

[BelzeBob]

Nei, jeg holder meg til historiebøkene og konsensus inntil det kommer tilstrekkelige beviser for noe annet.

 

 

Norsk historiebok/skolebok fra 1957. Fant den hjemme hos en slektning. I denne boken står det at jødene ble forfulgt og led i nazi-Tyskland (noe ingen benekter), og det står at nazistene hadde konsentrasjonsleirer (noe ingen benekter.) Men det står ikke et ord om hverken Holocaust eller gasskamre. Er ikke det litt pussig?

 

Eisenhower, Churchill og DeGaulle skrev alle tykke bind om krigen. Samtlige tre glemte dog å si noe om et jødisk Holocaust.

 

"Holocaust" kom ikke inn i Encyclopedia Britannica før i 1965. Les her: http://www.erichufschmid.net/HoloHoax/WhenHolocaustWasDiscovered.html

 

Historiebøker sier også svært motstridende ting om hvordan jødene ble drept, og om hvorvidt man lagde såpe og lampeskjermer av de eller ikke. Du skjønner: historien forandrer seg hele tiden.

 

I en periode snakker man om at jødene ble levende kokt og drept av elektriske gulv, i en annen periode sier man det var Zyklon B, og igjen i en annen periode legger man vekt på eksos. Alt etter som hvilke deler av historien er mest under angrep. Visste du forresten at tyskerne ble beskyldt for å ha drept 20.000 jøder med en atombombe? Dette står å lese i referatene fra Nuremberg-prosessen.

 

Det offisielle tallet for døde jøder er fremdeles 6 millioner. Selv om antallet som skal ha blitt drept i Auschwitz i 1989 ble redusert fra 4 millioner til 1 million. Hvordan får du det til å stemme? Fant man plutselig 3 millioner jødelik noe annet sted?

 

Mitt råd til deg: få tak på historiebøker som er litt eldre. Helst fra 1940-, 1950-, 1960- og tidlig 70-tall.

 

Denne er ganske så bra:

 

Du skjønner: det tok flere tiår før jødemafiaen fikk total kontroll over akademia etter krigen. Og som det heter i gangsterfilmer: "they had to get their facts straight." Altså: de måtte sørge for at det var noenlunde den samme (løgn)historien som ble fortalt på alle fronter. De lyktes aldri 100% med det, men i dag er det i det minste slik at alle store oppslagsverk bruker ordet "Holocaust" og snakker om gasskamre m. Zyklon B, og 6 millioner døde.

 

Altså: gamle historiebøker er nok en god del mer objektive enn de nyere. Mindre historieforfalskning og mer sannhet.

 

"HVORDAN kan de bevise dette? HVEM har fortalt dem dette? HVOR finner jeg dokumentasjon på dette?"

 

Nettopp. Hvor er bevisene for Holocaust?

 

Du snakker om intelligens. Er du noenlunde intelligent så skjønner du at ingen kan bevise at noe ikke har skjedd. Jeg kan ikke bevise at en UFO ikke landet på taket ditt i 1992. Jeg kan ikke bevise at 6 millioner jøder ikke døde i gasskamre i andre verdenskrig. Men så er det heller ikke jeg som skal bevise noe. Det er ikke jeg som kommer med påstanden om at en ugjerning har blitt begått. Det er du.

 

Men jeg tror ikke du er intelligent nok til å forstå dette.

 

Et intelligent menneske forstår at man kan ikke dømme noen for en forbrytelse som ikke er blitt bevist.

 

Forbrytelsen: Holocaust

Forbryteren: Tyskland og tyskerne

 

Og ofrene: jødene, har fått, og fortsetter å få erstatning for tort og svie.

 

Straffen forøvrig: Tyske offiserer og soldater ble hengt, skutt og utsultet. Vi kan legge til: minst 3 millioner tyskere ble drept i perioden 1945-1950. Og Tyskland ble okkupert og delt i to.

 

Joda - alt er helt greit. Bortsett fra én ting: det finnes ingen beviser for at tyskerne var skyldige i forbrytelsen de ble anklaget og straffet for.

 

En liten ... detalj.

 

PS: Er det ikke litt merkelig at zionist-jødene ikke har likvidert BelzeBob? Han har jo "avslørt" svindelen deres. Det virker jo sannelig som om de har kapasitet til noe sånt

 

Jeg tror ikke du mener dette. Men uansett: ja, det fins jøder og ekstremister som er så fanatiske at de gjerne ville gjort det. Noe sier meg at du ikke så oversikten jeg nettopp postet om mennesker som har blitt forfulgt, angrepet fysisk, og t.o.m. myrdet for å ha benektet Holocaust.

 

Nei, det kommer ikke til å skje med meg. For jeg har en så lav profil. Men andre i Skandinavia som går ut mye mer aktivt har fått svi.

 

Fysisk likvidering er dog vanskelig med det lovverket/samfunnet vi har i Norge. Men det er heller ikke nødvendig. Trakassering, stigmatisering, trusler osv. rekker vanligvis lenge.

 

De tok ikke livet av David Cole. Eller Fred Leuchter. Det var nok å true dem til stillhet. En telefon om natten som sier at dine familiemedlemmer vil bli bortført og torturert er noe som får de fleste til å pakke sammen og trekke seg tilbake fra søkelyset.

 

Diktatur kaller man dette. Ironisk, ikke sant? Gråte-jødene som vil ha sympati for jødeforfølgelsen oppfører seg selv på en måte som skulle fått Himmler til å rødme...

Endret 14. februar 2011 av BelzeBob

[R@ge]

Problemet ditt er at du er så ekstremt uintelligent og trangsynt at et forsøk på å forklare deg det vil føre til flere uker med smertefull debatt på dette forumet.

 

Jeg får ta det som et komplement da siden det kommer fra den kanten ^^

[pk2010]

Problemet ditt er at du er så ekstremt uintelligent og trangsynt at et forsøk på å forklare deg det vil føre til flere uker med smertefull debatt på dette forumet.

 

Her må da en moderator komme på banen.

 

Forøvrig så er dette et klassisk eksempel på hva debatten utvikler seg til når de troende vet at de ikke har noe skyts lengere. Det er i min bok det samme som å vedgå nederlaget.

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Gidder du å legge det i spoiler?

 

Huh? Spoiler jeg kanskje dine illusjoner?

 

Dere troende er bra hjernevaskede. Ser det åpenbart er et problem at jeg lenker til Tvedt på nettsiden min. For Tvedt har fått nazi-stempelet og er automatisk "useriøs." Hva Tvedt faktisk sier om Holocaust derimot, hvilke argumenter han har osv. - nei, det er det visst ingen som tar seg bryet med å undersøke.

 

I Norge er det Tvedt som er satt i gapestokken. I andre land er det andre personer. Det de har til felles: de rokker ved Holocaust-myten. Og det skal ikke gå hen ustraffet. Forøvrig lenker jeg til mange andre enn Tvedt. Personer som garantert er veldig forskjellige og har forskjellige politiske og religiøse syn. Men emnet er altså Holocaust og jeg lenker til folk som har god informasjon om Holocaust.

 

Du kan si "men hvorfor lenker du ikke til anerkjente eksperter og akademikere?"

 

Her er problemet: så fort en akademiker, eller en person i en eller annen annen kategori stiller seg kritisk til Holocaust-myten, så blir den personen automatisk stemplet som en løgner, en kjeltring, nynazist, fanatiker, sjarlatan osv osv. At personer som Simon Wiesenthal, Raul Hilberg o.a. kan lyge og svindle så det ryker går derimot helt bra. Fordi de er til nytte for Holocaust-mafiaen.

 

Dette er politikk.

 

Prøv å ha ditt eget syn på ting. Gjør din egen forskning. Kom fram til dine egne konklusjoner. Og for å gjøre dette så må du i det minste kikke på hva "skurker" som Tvedt og meg selv har å si. For vi presenterer et annet syn enn det media ellers tvangsforer deg med.

 

Jeg har ikke alltid "fornektet" Holocaust. Jeg trodde mer eller mindre på historien slik de fleste andre gjør. Inntil jeg så denne for første gang:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DF08knOCVI4

 

David Cole, som laget dokumentaren, er forresten jøde. Men ettersom han er Holocaust-benekter så må vi vel kalle ham nynazist?

 

 

David Cole

 

Må si jeg også blir litt lei av disse Orwellianske uttrykkene; Holocaust-benekter og Holocaust-fornekter. Hvilke andre dobbel-ord har vi som slutter i -benekter eller -fornekter? Dette har jeg satt søkelys på før, men det virker som at de fleste er for hjernevasket til å skjønne hva jeg mener.

 

Kjenn på den negative ladningen disse ordene har. Allerede på det språklige nivået er det liksom en umulighet at en som ikke tror på Holocaust kan være en normal person.

 

Holocaust er en historisk hendelse. Eller muligens, slik jeg tror, en historisk ikke-hendelse. Uansett: andre verdenskrig er en historisk hendelse. Hvorfor skal det være forbudt å ha ens egen oppfatning om hva som skjedde eller ikke skjedde i andre verdenskrig? Vi har jo lov til å synse og mene og forske om de aller fleste andre historiske hendelser. Og forskere i dag sitter og reviderer historien om gamle Egypt og Babylon. Men det skal ikke gå an å revidere historien om andre verdenskrig? Hvorfor ikke?

 

Minner om at det i Tyskland i dag faktisk kan være straffbart å hevde at 5.999.999 jøder døde i Holocaust og ikke 6 millioner. Dette er da ikke vitenskap - men religion. Religion av det verste, mest dogmatiske og autoritære slaget.

 

....Og de som tilhører jødedommen fikk landet Israel som gave mot at de tok på seg oppgaven som ofre under 2 verdenskrig. De hadde opprinnelig sitt eget land, men dette landet ble satt under vann, slik at jødene ble spredt utover mange land i verden.

 

De hadde et land som ble satt under vann? Dette visste jeg ikke. Kan du fortelle mer?

Den såkalte kysten rundt vårt land består av kunstige havområder som følge av oppdemninger. Det gjelder hele det området som vi kaller vår vår verden.Skal du til det virkelige havet så må du til Australia.Dette høres rart rart ut for mange. Men for å ta eksempel,når du du kjører fra Oslo til Kristiansand så kjører du for det meste nedover bakke hele tiden. Og når du står ved Lindenes fyr så har du et småkupert flatt område på høyre side som strekker seg sydover så langt øyne kan se.Område er forøvrig helt uten hytter, brygger og annen bebyggelse.Men det går en vei der og området tilhører faktisk Australia.Grensen til Australia åpnes først 15/03 -2011 så det det fremdeles 4 uker igjen,

En annen ting er at du kan ikke kjøre båt fra Bergen til Haugesund da det er et landskapsområde der som forbinder Norge med Amerika som vi også grenser til.

Det i havområdet ved Haugesund jødene hadde sitt land, men jeg kan ikke påpeke akkurat hvor.Det forvrig veldig mange land som ble satt under vann og faktisk helle 100 store byer.