Nokia N900 - Den store diskusjonstråden

[BearThor]

Vent på de nye android telefonene med raskere CPU, har hørt de gamle bruker en treg sirup CPU

[geirbergmann]

Jeg sier ikke at dette er en dårlig telefon, men jeg anbefaler dere Omnia HD istedet =)

 

Haha...den var god, ett utdatert OS istedet for ett fersk og spennende OS...Nei takk.

 

Helt enig, Omnia HD er vel den mest skuffende tlf jeg har hatt noen gang. S60V5 er vel kjedelig nok i seg selv, men når den i tillegg ikke er kompatibel med alle S60 programmene er det rimelig håpløst. Den har bra kamera og video, stopper der. Men nå skal vel ikke dette være en tråd om omnia så jeg får vel stoppe der

 

Jeg har fått høre 5.11.09 fra en leverandør på N900, men tror vel heller 15.11.09 stemmer bedre dessverre...

[Midoko]

Ser at det er stilt spørsmål om dette før, men det var noen linker jeg ikke fikk åpnet. Hvordan blir det med norsk/svensk tastatur? Kommer man til å måtte benytte seg av shift+tast for å få æ-ø-å? Og i tilfelle ja; vil shift kun ligge på høyre side av tastaturet?

Endret 23. oktober 2009 av Midoko

[LazyShrk]

Ser at det er stilt spørsmål om dette før, men det var noen linker jeg ikke fikk åpnet. Hvordan blir det med norsk/svensk tastatur? Kommer man til å måtte benytte seg av shift+tast for å få æ-ø-å? Og i tilfelle ja; vil shift kun ligge på høyre side av tastaturet?

 

http://www.cs.hut.fi/~kirma/n900-nordic.jpg

[N900Guru]

1. 3.5 inch touch-sensitive Vs 3.5-inch (diagonal) widescreen

widescreen display Multi-Touch diplay

Resistive screen Capacitative Screen

 

Resistive screen has the advantage of point accuracy. This is good for hand writing because unlike apple, nokia is a all over the world so it has to cater to differnt popluations and some people espcially the asians prefer hand writing recognition for their myriad languages. But capacitative has the advantage of being more responsive. Although it has its side effects, being that it cannot be used with anything except your bare finger. This is really a pain especially for the North east states of the Us and Northern Europe in the cold climates. You cant navigate well with gloves. Another advantage of capacitative is that multi-touch so it is very useful in games and other actions like pinching etc. As far as i know this is the only advantage of the iphone compared to the n900 and of course the other being the app store. But both of these can be expected in the near future with more developers flocking to maemo due to its open nature.

 

2. 800 × 480 pixel resolution @ 225 ppi Vs 480-by-320-pixel resolution at 163 ppi

 

This is one area where the n900 totally burns the iphone. Basically resolution means the number of lines you can see on the screen. For example most of the laptops are about 1280 x 800. Since it is very near to that resolution on the n900 you can view web pages just like on your desktop without much zooming and panning. You just open the web page and read no need to keep on fiddling with the text to read which makes web browsing very comfortable.

 

3. TV out (PAL/NTSC) with Nokia Video Connectivity Cable Vs None

 

This is included within the sales package. What you can do with is that you can connect your phone to the tv using those 3(yellow, white and red connectors). Imagine playing games with your accelerometer on the big screen. It is fun. And of course you can directly play the recorded videos, images on the big screen. Here again the higher resolution helps by displaying the video on a bigger size and better clarity on the tv.

 

4. Micro-USB connector, High-Speed USB 2.0 Vs Charging via USB to computer system

or power adapter

 

This is something again new from nokia. With this connector you can both charge the phone and also transfer data between your computer and phone. Even though the iphone can charge via the usb with a computer, it cannot transfer date other then with itunes. The problem with this is that you cannot transfer data from any other computer other than yours. Another thing is that nokia is going with industry standard connector which means you can connect any other device which uses a similar connector. Whereas the iphone connector can only connect with the iphone and it is not industry standard. In fact the most surprising thing is that my friend tried to charge his ipod touch with the iphone 3G charger and guess what it said "Incompatible charger" even after it fit the slot perfectly. Typical apple... make money wherever possible!

 

5.Bluetooth v2.1 including support Vs Bluetooth 2.1 + EDR

for stereo headsets

 

This feature is the same on both the phones. But with n900 you can send any file via the bluetooth. The iphone even though it has the hardware, deliberately clamps down that feature. The n900 supports tethering, meaning that you can use its data connection to connect to another device like a laptop. I heard even apple allows that these days... but also have heard that it is not possible on AT&T. So basically you cant do it on the iphone whereas you can do anything you want on the n910.

 

 

6. Integrated FM transmitter Vs None

 

An Fm transmitter transmits the audio/video out from the device into radio frequency. So you can tune your car radio into that frequency and listen to the media on the phone wirelessly. Basically this removes the additional audio jack going out of the device into the tape slot of the car stereo. This is a great advantage for car owners. Since i do not have a tape player in my car i use a stand alone fm transmitter. The biggest problem i have with the stand alone transmitter is that it takes the charging port in my car and so i cannot charge my phone. Now no more wires and i can use the charging port to charge my phone while the fm transmitter does its thing.Although it is not listed there i assume there is also fm receiver also. You can listen to the local radio stations and also the fm reciever could be use for traffic updates to your maps application.

 

7. Up to 1GB of application memory Vs 256 mb only

(256 MB RAM, 768 MB virtual memory)

 

The main advantage is that you could use your swap memory to open many applications simultaneously. Wheras in the iphone you have to have only one application at one time except for the phone and audio applications. This is just like your desktop. You can open any no. of applications and just switch between them. For example on the iphone if you are instant messaging some one and you want to just check something on the browser, the moment you press the browser window you are logged out of the chat. On the n900 everything is open and you are still logged in and you get a notification when you get an Im. You just need to switch widows and select what you want to do.

 

8. 32 GB internal storage Vs 16GB or 32GB flash drive

Up to 16 GB of additional storage None

with an external microSD card

 

This is again a big win for the n900. The micro sd helps to both expand the memory and also another cool feature is that you can clone your Os into the sd card. So you can boot from various images on the card or the flash memory. Just like multi-booting on your desktop. There are other alternative os like mer, nitdroid, debian etc. you can set up your n900 to boot to other os on the sd card. Also Sd card can be used to transfer movies, songs etc from another source when you dont have your connectivity cable. Another cool feature is to directly use the micro sd to shoot pictures and videos with a digicam and just insert it directly into the n900. Basically you are negating going back to your house and connecting to your pc and then transferring to your device which is a real comfort.

 

 

 

9. Full QWERTY tactile keyboard Vs Only on-screen keyboard.

Full QWERTY onscreen keyboard

 

This is really one of the best features of the n900 over the iphone. The best thing about the keyboard is that it saves screen real estate. Already the screen is tiny and imagine half of it covered with a keyboard. Once you use the keypad and its comfort you will understand the importance of it. Other important functions of the keyboard are the hardware keys can be configured in various games unlike the iphone where all the games have to be on screen controlled. The problem with screen controlled games are that there is no tactile feedback and also you are blocking your view with your fingers. Of course the keypad is very reliable in typing and the keys can be used to access the special characters very easily. This is a very big win for the n900.

 

10. Quad-band GSM EDGE 850/900/1800/1900 Vs UMTS/HSDPA (850, 1900, 2100 MHz) WCDMA 900/1700/2100 MHz GSM/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)

 

There only huge difference here is that the n900 has 3G bands for t-mobile USA whereas the iphone has only bands for At&T 3G. So it is good news for t-mobile and bad news for AT&t users because they will not have 3G but only edge. Nokia most probably will release another version considering that nokia releases additional versions a little later.

 

11. Integrated hands-free stereo speakers Vs Mono speaker

 

Stereo speakers means that there are 2 speakers on both sides of the device giving a more comprehensive sound. Since there are 2 speakers it is great for listening to songs in a group and also podcasts and videos just like you would listen to stereo speakers on your tv or laptop. The sound also should be very loud and more importantly more clear.

 

12. Internet calling Vs None

 

This means voip calls can be made using the n900. For example skype, gtalk etc. This can considerably reduce the money spent on international calling. Even the iphone has gtalk and skype but the major problem is with multi tasking. If you are on a skype call you cannot use the phone for anything else. Infact if you are waiting for a skype/gtalk call you have to keep the app open and not try to open any other part of the phone. On the n900 you can just keep them open while you do your work and you will be notified of a call or im when you get it.Also there is a webcam for video calls. I could make phone to phone video calling if the other person is on gtalk on another n900. Full video calling will be soon coming.

 

13. Maemo browser powered by Mozilla technology Vs Safari without flash.

Adobe Flash™ 9.4 support

 

This browser renders pages just like your desktop. You can directly go to the youtube page and watch videos and respond to comments just like you do on the desktop. No need for additional clients. This is specially useful for many of the flash video sites. You are no longer cramped by only youtube with a client... you get everything. Also another advantage with flash 9.4 is that there are millions of flash games which are browser based. you can take advantage of all those games which are free and load directly on the browser. Then there is java script which allows to see the desktop version of all google services like gmail, calender etc. No need for any mobile versions.

 

14. Pre-loaded Ovi Maps application Vs None

 

With Ovi maps the maps are pre-loaded and so you dont need to have an active connection to use the gps for routing. Also ovi maps are heavily integrated with various parts of the os. This is specially useful for location aware applications. Ovi maps also includes local weather and the weather is updated using the gps location to show the current weather in your current location.

 

15. 5 megapixel camera (2584 × 1938 pixels) Vs # 3 megapixels Autofocus

CMOS sensor, Carl Zeiss optics, Tessar lens

3 × digital zoom

Dual LED flash

 

Here again there is really no comparison. The dual led helps to capture good clarity photos even in low light conditions. I dont know if there is zoom on the iphone but the n900 has 3x digital zoom. Then there is photo tagging which is useful for tagging pictures.

 

16. Video recording at up to 848 × 480 pixels Vs VGA(640x480) up to 30 fps with audio

(WVGA) and up to 25fps

 

The n900 records at a higher resolution although the fps is low.

 

17. Video playback file formats: Vs Cannot play wmv, .avi formats.

.mp4, .avi, .wmv, .3gp;

codecs: H.264, MPEG-4, Xvid, WMV, H.263

 

Since maemo is open source you could install mplayer for free and play additional formats like divx, flv and other formats. Iphone can play only a few apple supported formats. This is a big deal because most of the videos can be downloaded from the internet directly and played without any conversion. Unfortunately for the iphone you cannot save the videos directly. You need to save them using your pc then convert them and transfer them for later viewing. This is a PITA!

 

18. Background pictures Vs None.

 

Since the n900 has a panoromic desktops with support upto 4 active desktops, you could have different cool backgroud wallpapers for each desktop. Since the app icons are always present on the iphone there is really no use of the desktop and you can only have one desktop wall paper.

 

19. Widgets on your desktops Vs None

 

Widgets are really good for real time updates. You can have as many widgets as you want on mutliple desktops. you can have gtalk widget with real time online status. Rss widget with real time updates, internet radio widget, weather widget etc. Widget help you check the latest updates without opening the application. for example if you need to check what are your upcoming applications.... on the iphone you have to go into the calender application and then check it... wheras on the n900 you just have a glance at your desktop and you see your calender. This is very useful.

 

20. Intelligent contact shortcuts Vs None

 

Here again you can directly place a contact on one of your desktops and with one single click you can call or email the contact. Wheras in the iphone you have to go to contacts ans locate the contact and then initaite the call. Same goes for sending an email or sms or internet call.

 

21. PDF reader Vs Safari handles pdf

 

The inbuilt pdf reader is really useful for documents. In the iphone safari handles pdf but again it is not as good as the pdf reader on the n900.

 

22. Sketch Application Vs None

 

This is again one of the advantages of the resistive touch screen. This is one of the favourite feature for the kids. just open the sketch program and they will keep quiet. Similarly there are options for games like numpty physics which take advantage of the sketching with the stylus.

 

23. Removable Battery Vs Non removable

 

This is a huge advantage especially considering that it has a very power hungry processor. Changing the battery just takes seconds and within minutes you can have a fully charged mobile. Great during traveling.

 

24. Kick stand.

 

The kick stand can be used to watch videos especially on the plane. It is a minor addition but is huge in usability.

 

25. Open source operating system.

 

Off all the features the apple iphone will never be able to beat this one. Most of the applications are free to download and use. Anyone can work on anything and submit their application. There are no restrictions of any kind.

[mobifil]

"Although it has its side effects, being that it cannot be used with anything except your bare finger. This is really a pain especially for the North east states of the Us and Northern Europe in the cold climates."

 

Dette er litt missvisende i 2009, iPhone kjører fortsatt samme skjerm teknologi som i 1. generasjon. HTC Hero har en "nyere" teknologi som vistnok gir skjermen bedre respons. Prøv å trykk gjennom genseren på skjermen til Hero og telefonen reagerer bra, dvs. at du kan navigere Hero med hansker

[MirusMentis]

Hva kan kjøres av programmer på denne? Støtter den apps skrevet for Symbian? Eller må alt lages på nytt her?

 

Har siklet veldig på iPhone en stund nå, og den har jo en haug av nyttige apps. Spesielt trafikanten osv er det jeg kunne tenkt meg. Hva er oddsen for at noe slikt dukker opp på N900/maemo

[Riot™]

Ja den støtter symbianapps via emulering i følge et eller annet dokument som jeg ikke husker (leste på mobilen min da).

 

Vurderer denne litt istedenfor HTC Leo nå...

[BearThor]

jeg har kjøpt den fordi den er åpen kan gjøre det du vil med den egentlig... kommer nok til å se mange spennende app's og OS til telefonen

[Positive]

Jeg blir i allefall bare mer og mer positiv til denne etterhvert som jeg leser om den. Tror og håper at antallet applikasjoner til denne vil bli mange. Tror det er mange som får opp øynene for mulighetene denne mobilen har. OS'et er i allefall ingen begrensing, og dette kombinert med det gode på hardware fronten tror jeg blir bra!

 

Venter enda spent på batterilevetid ved "vanlig" dagligdags bruk, da det er dette som kommer til å være avgjørende for meg.

[stue]

Klarer den å kjøre vanlig symbian apps, så er det genialt. Har jo blitt avhengig av mange sådanne etter noen år med N95 blant annet.

[Tenchi]

håper ikke at dette stemmer...isåfall blir det laaang ventetid:

http://dailymobile.se/2009/10/26/sweden-ju...wagon-for-2010/

Regner med at hvis de gjør der i Sverige så skjer det samme i Norge...

[geirbergmann]

håper ikke at dette stemmer...isåfall blir det laaang ventetid:

http://dailymobile.se/2009/10/26/sweden-ju...wagon-for-2010/

Regner med at hvis de gjør der i Sverige så skjer det samme i Norge...

 

Det var dårlige nyheter...

[geirbergmann]

håper ikke at dette stemmer...isåfall blir det laaang ventetid:

http://dailymobile.se/2009/10/26/sweden-ju...wagon-for-2010/

Regner med at hvis de gjør der i Sverige så skjer det samme i Norge...

 

Det var dårlige nyheter...

 

 

"No idea how true this is, but guy in a finnish board says that they delay would be because operator 3(that's a big operator in Sweden?) sim cards don't work on N900 or there is a bug so that's why the delay...."

 

Kanskje det ikke gjelder oss i Norge..

[Sinnapels]

Jeg håper VITTERLIG at ikke det gjelder Norge. Selger min N97 den 12 november til fordel for denne. Så noen mnd uten telefon ser jeg ikke helt hvordan skal arte seg

[Kluvert]

De begynner å iritere meg

[Djmolvi]

Som sagt tidligere så går jeg for HTC eller iPhone hvis N900 blir forsinket. kjøper en ny mobil i midten av November

[geirbergmann]

Dårlig nytt igjen.. Sendte mail til Finlands svar på komplett.no og spurte om de hadde Nokia n900 på lager. Dette var svaret..

 

"Hello,

 

 

 

At this moment we have ETA information for N900 that it will be coming in December in our stock."

[Djmolvi]

Typisk NOKIA. Dato stemmer ALDRI.

[Riccardo]

Men hvorfor står det 31.oktober på nesten alle de norske nettbutikkene?

Og på expansys.no står det at de har den om 2 dager..