Influensavaksine til alle! ...eller?

[Raudridder]

Uten internett hadde alle bare holdt kjeft og tatt den jævla vaksina.

[hagfors]

Alle skal få

[Ebeneser]

Shocking H1N1 Swine Flu Vaccine Miscarriage Stories From Pregnant Women

[8qk5xlv3]

Sier ikke det seg selv? Det er formaldehyd og kvikksølv i vaksinen, samt stoffer for å la det ikke-aktiverte viruset komme enklere inn i cellene dine. De er ikke spesielt gode for gravide. Klart, dersom en gravid kvinne får influensaen er det kanskje større sjanse for at både hun og barnet dør. Er nok derfor Norges helsesamfunn anbefaler at de tar den (eller gjør de det? Hvis de ikke gjør det beklager jeg for min uvitenhet om emnet).

[Ebeneser]

Jeg tror dette bare er toppen av isfjellet, vi kommer nok til å se mye mere bivirkninger i tiden som kommer.

 

Stakkars jævler.

[jonlem]

Shocking H1N1 Swine Flu Vaccine Miscarriage Stories From Pregnant Women

 

a friend of a friend just had a miscarriage 2-3 days after getting the shot

 

I am an emotional wreck. I feel like I had a healthy baby and I caused this by getting the H1N1 vaccine.

 

I recently got the H1N1 vaccine and miscarried 3 days later. I thought it could have been the vaccine but didnt ask.

 

Dette er jo kommentarer/historier fra tilsynelatende redde, småparanoide kvinner, fra hjemmesida til en eller annen gravid-klubb. De fleste av disse har tilsynelatende opplevd en ufrivillig abort enten hos seg selv eller i nærmeste familie/omgangskrets.

 

Så må jeg dessverre spørre deg, Ebeneser, hvem synes du vi skal basere våre standpunkter på?

Online blogger der hvem som helst av traumatiserte mennesker kan skrive hva som helst, eller mer seriøse instanser som folkehelseinstituttet - som driver i all hovedsak med vitenskapelig arbeid ?

 

 

For ordens skyld, litt fakta:

 

- FHI anbefaler ikke denne vaksina til gravide i første trimester, dvs ikke før de er gått utover 12 uker.

 

- En svært stor andel av alle svangerskap ender i spontanabort iløpet av første trimester.

 

Skummer en kjapt gjennom teksten du linket til, ser en at de fleste var i 7. - 10. uke.

Så kan man jo spørre seg, fikk de trøbbel pga vaksina, eller var det andre årsaker? Det kommer svært dårlig fram i "artikkelen".

Endret 12. november 2009 av jonlem

[jonlem]

vi kommer nok til å se mye mere bivirkninger i tiden som kommer.

 

Selvfølgelig. Etter hvert som stadig flere får vaksina, vil også flere oppleve bivirkninger.

 

Dette er svært enkel matematikk, og ingen sjokkerende nyhet - og noe ingen har prøvd å fornekte ville skje, noen gang. Så hvorfor prøve å skremme noen nå?

Endret 12. november 2009 av jonlem

[Ebeneser]

Hvorfor prøve å "skremme noen".

 

Det er ikke min motivasjon i det hele tatt, jeg ville simpelthen belyse at det faktum at mange kvinner som er i "risikogruppen" (morsomt ord som har blitt gjentatt til det kjedsommelige av vår korrupte presse) har spontanabortert som følge av denne vaksinen.

 

Synes forøvrig det er morsomt hvordan enkelte på dette forumet alltid skal tone ned kritisk tankegang og følge den offisielle linjen til det ekstreme, jeg synes egentlig deres motivasjon er mere interessant enn min.

[Ebeneser]

Comments (from readers)

 

October 9, 2009 at 2:41 pm

(1) Jo says: I got the flu vaccine (regular not H1N1) at 8 weeks pregnant. Three days later I miscarried. I am not going to get the H1N1.

 

October 26, 2009 at 11:07 am

(2) Regrets says:

I got both vaccines on Thursday. I was 9 weeks pregnant. I miscarried on Sunday. I was told by several doctors to get these vaccines. Now I wish I followed my gut feeling and not get them at ALL!

 

October 29, 2009 at 8:33 am

(3) says: i work in a hospital like setting and was told 'the benefits outweigh the risks" 1am i got the vaccine, 3am i started bleeding and craming, 3pm miscarried. you decide

 

October 31, 2009 at 1:29 pm

(4) sue says: I had the H1N1 vaccination and 24 hours later had a miscarriage.

 

October 31, 2009 at 8:25 pm

(5) Linda Hill says: My daughter in law was 10 weeks pregnant and had the H1N1 vaccine on Friday that night she miscarried.

 

November 1, 2009 at 9:58 pm

(6) Stephanie says: I received the H1N1 over a week ago. I am now 5 weeks. I am doing well so far.

 

November 2, 2009 at 10:52 pm

(7) SoSorry says:

I was so ready to get the H1N1 vaccine last week and they were only giving them to pregnant women. I was 6 weeks along and got it and the next day I started cramping and miscarried. I already had two healthy pregnancies and never miscarried or had any problems. My doctors think I am crazy to think it was the H1N1 but if no one looks into this than other women will not know. I am so sorry that I got it.

 

November 3, 2009 at 4:30 pm

(8) Connie says:

I also received the H1N1 vaccination on October 22nd, 2009 and went into labor on October 25th, at 16 weeks pregnant and we just heard the heartbeat and everything was fine with my pregnancy on October 16th, 2009, then on October 28th my water broke then on October 29th, I delivered a stillborn baby boy, and no one can tell me why…Everyone wants to say it did not come from the shot but I believe it did. My baby was growing at the correct pace and everyone wants to brush off the vaccination. I say if you have the vaccination and suffer a miscarriage if they are able to perform an autopsy have it done.

 

November 3, 2009 at 4:34 pm

(9) Connie says:

I also agree something needs to be done and looked more into with this vaccination because most women are being advised it's just something that happens, but I also had two healthy children normal pregnancies and when I received this vaccination with my third pregnancy, my baby is gone. Contact me at [email protected] This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it

 

November 4, 2009 at 10:12 pm

(10) sioux falls, south dakota says:

I received the H1N1 vaccine on October 16th and started experiencing cramping on the 22nd. I was nearly 17 weeks pregnant and gave birth to a stillborn baby boy on the 23rd. Like many of the other women here, the first thing I suspected was the H1N1 vaccine. I immediately asked a nurse at the hospital if that would have anything to do with it. Without hesitation, she told me "absolutely not." I had reservations about getting the vaccine, but followed the advice of my long trusted family doctor. In a follow up appointment with my doctor 3 days after I lost my baby, I asked him if the vaccine would have had any adverse effects on my baby. He also said that it was not possible. I don't believe that my doctor was necessarily lying to me, he was simply following the accepted practices and opinions of his field. I do, however, believe that as a nation, we are being lied to. This vaccine is NOT safe during pregnancy. There has not been enough testing done to determine this and there are far too many "coincidences" for this to be anything but a result of a vaccine that was hastily pushed into production and distribution in an effort to stop widespread panic. I have read so many stories in defense of the vaccine that will talk about how common miscarriages are, but I would challenge you to ask ANY health care professional how common second trimester miscarriages are. My baby was doing perfect developmentally and I had felt him move earlier that day. My heart goes out to all of you out there who have had to go through the same heartache and loss that I have had in the last couple of weeks. There is no reason that any woman or family should have to go through this. Get the word out to all of the pregnant women that you know. I know that if I had heard that women had been losing their babies shortly after they received the vaccine, I would have followed my gut and not gotten it myself. Maybe then Wyatt would have had a chance at life.

 

November 5, 2009 at 11:51 am

(11) sue field says:

If you read the novatis or baxter pkg insert available on the web you will find that 1. there is not sufficient testing on pregnant women so they dont know how safe it is….its not recommended for children under 2 is not a fetus a child under 2? there is no conclusion on safety with breastfeeding….. Md's just want to scare the hell out of you for the 1% that can get very sick..If folks would just wash hands frequently, stay away from sick contacts as much as possible and take supplements and live a healthy way…you likely can avoid the flu altogether… SOOOOO Sorry for your losses….my <3 breaks for you all

 

The following H1N1 swine flu vaccine miscarriage horror stories are from a June 2010 birth club…..

 

EBWashington:

I am so upset. I was so excited to be pregnant after trying for a year. As soon as I found out I was pregnant, I joined this birth club and I was due June 25th. We have two healthy boys with no history of miscarriage. Everything was going great. Last Monday, I got the H1N1 vaccine thimerosal reduced (mercury reduced for pregnant women). On Tuesday morning, I started cramping and on Wednesday I started bleeding heavily. My hcg was 50 on Wednesday and I was almost 6 weeks along so it was low. They still thought that I might be pregnant but on Friday my hcg was down to 22. I am an emotional wreck. I feel like I had a healthy baby and I caused this by getting the H1N1 vaccine. My doctors pushed it. I researched online and there have been many miscarriages after the H1N1 vaccine but they haven’t been reported since it is hard to say what caused the miscarriages. I hope that I did not cause this. I wish everyone the best.

 

Tayla08

I don’t have an answer for you, but a friend of a friend just had a miscarriage 2-3 days after getting the shot. She was 7weeks. She had no previous history of m/c… No one can answer if they’re related…it hasn’t been out long enough and there haven’t been any studies done on pregnant women. I will tell you, that it has made up my mind on getting it…I won’t and I’m not going to get it for my DD either. My daughter and I both had H1N1 last week, and although it truly sucks…I think I’ll take my chances. One doctor will tell you to get it and the next will tell you not too…you have to do what’s in your heart.

 

90707

my heart goes out to you as i recently miscarried as well and was due in june. i had a healthy heart beat at 6wks. then at 7.5 wks my son got the h1n1 mist vaccine which has live vaccine in it. the nurse said to be careful b/c it could technically spread if he rubbed his nose and touched a surface etc. the next night i miscarried and 5 days later was diagnosed with h1n1. i work from home, kids are home, hadnt been anywhere during that time. so the chances that it is all related are very high. the flu mist vaccine warns for immunocompromised patients (which includes prego) to stay away from recipients of the flu mist for 21 days.

[jonlem]

jeg ville simpelthen belyse at det faktum at mange kvinner som er i "risikogruppen" (...) har spontanabortert som følge av denne vaksinen.

 

Hvor står dette? Hvem sier det? Hvordan trekker du den slutningen?

 

Hvis du trekker den slutningen fra den linken du posta her, så er det usedvanlig svakt.

 

Synes forøvrig det er morsomt hvordan enkelte på dette forumet alltid skal tone ned kritisk tankegang og følge den offisielle linjen til det ekstreme, jeg synes egentlig deres motivasjon er mere interessant enn min.

 

Poenget (mitt, i alle fall) er ikke å tone ned kritisk tankegang eller å følge den offisielle linjen til det ekstreme.

 

Skal man være kritiske, kan man jo i det minste forsøke å til en viss grad komme med troverdige kilder eller gode begrunnelser for kritikken - det er noen som driter seg ut på dette gang på gang.

 

Det er fullt lov, og helt på sin plass, å være kritisk.

Men ubegrunnede, udokumenterte, irrasjonelle, flåsete og til tider direkte ufine og frekke påstander og antakelser bør slås ned på og avkreves en viss saklighet og seriøsitet - alternativt beklagelser og offentlig anger.

 

 

EDIT

 

Og der posta han jaggu meg hele greia, som jeg akkurat har lest gjennom og funnet intet annet enn (13?) historier om kvinner som har abortert kort tid etter å ha fått vaksina - og ei det går bra med.

Det er da ikke uvanlig at kvinner aborterer, langt ifra.

Jeg ser hvor du vil, men det er intet belegg for å ukritisk sette disse abortene i sammenheng med vaksina, selv om det er fristende å trekke den konklusjonen. Men det blir en konklusjon som er trukket på et svært svakt grunnlag - antakelser.

Endret 12. november 2009 av jonlem

[Ebeneser]

Ja, la oss diskutere meg og ikke sak herr jonlem, jeg er ett fantastisk interessant menneske skjønner du.

 

Jeg finner deg en smule... hva skal jeg si? hysterisk?

[jonlem]

Ikke så hårsår nå, litt kritikk må du tåle når du poster slike ting.

 

Det har så absolutt noe med saken å gjøre når du presenterer slikt svada som om det er en vitenskapelig og troverdig artikkel - da forbeholder jeg meg retten til å betvile din saklighet og seriøsitet i tillegg til å stille spørsmål ved dine hensikter.

 

Hysterisk? Jeg? Jeg er da særdeles avslappet.

Endret 12. november 2009 av jonlem

[Ebeneser]

Line up for the slaughter.

 

http://www.theflucase.com/

[jonlem]

Don't get fooled.

 

The fraudulent and slanderous acts of “Jane Burgermeister”

 

(Må jo prøve på din egen taktikk da, siden fornuft ikke fungerer)

 

LISTEN UP, PEOPLE: Everyone needs to understand some very basic truths here.

 

Jane Burgermeister indeed SOUNDS CREDIBLE, but don’t be fooled. Her story and history do not check out.

 

I sent the following post out to hundreds of individuals yesterday, Sept. 11:

 

Jane says some interesting things in her “coming out of the closet” party with Camelot.

 

When I asked her back in June, (back when I was her “friend”) to tell me where she “filed” her criminal charges with the FBI, she had no answer, other than to accuse me of “attacking her”. Then, of course, she publicly threatened to “sue” me, Bill Deagle, and Devvy Kidd when we continued to press her privately and then publicly for proof of her claims. She then exhibited clear signs of paranoid schizoprenia.

 

(Hey Jane — when can I expect to receive the lawsuit that you “promised”??)

 

Now here under Project Camelot’s video camera, for the first time, she says she filed her charges “with the FBI at the Austrian embassy”. (I wonder why she didn’t threaten Project Camelot with “slander” and threaten litigation to them as well??)

 

This crazy woman is continually spreading fertilizer to the masses —

 

There are no FBI agents nor are there any “FBI offices” at the Austrian embassy. I checked.

Then later in the “interview” she says she e-mailed her charges to “10 or 12″ FBI offices in the U.S. because the FBI agents in Austria were “not trustworthy”.

 

If this is so, then why is she still clearly leading people to believe that Tim Vawter’s Pro Se injunction filed in N.J. was her “FBI” criminal charges in answer to my requests for “proof”?

 

FOLKS, THIS IS ALL PSY-OPS LIES. Jane (BirdFlu666) can’t keep her stories straight. Let’s see the e-mails and the dates, for the “10 or 12″ e-mails to the FBI, Jane! This is all that I, Devvy Kidd, Arthur Evangelista, and Bill Deagle have been asking you to produce for the last three months, after all. Why didn’t you produce them in your “interview”?

 

Jane is in this for one reason only — to solicit donations and to garner notoriety. End of story.

 

She is pathetic as she continues to manufacture a false story. However, when she stays on point with the “Bird Flu” subject, I can support her witness. The problem is, she is NOT credible as she is lying through most of the interview. She provides a “steam vent” on this issue, and little else.

 

 

Sånn?

 

 

EDIT

For de som ikke gidder å finne det ut selv (forståelig), Jane Burgermeister er dama bak www.theflucase.com

 

Endret 13. november 2009 av jonlem

[aluxez]

Kjøper ikke i-landene vaksinen, så er det ingen som lager vaksinen. Hadde svineinfluensaen kun vært i Afrika ville det aldri kommet noen vaksine.

[Ebeneser]

Population Reduction: Globalist Endgame begins?

SkyWatch Canada

Infowars

November 12, 2009

 

On October 30th,”2009 editors of local papers in Kyiv, Ukraine received a flood of phone calls from citizens reporting low flying aircraft spraying an unknown aerosolized substance over L’viv, Ternopil and other cities. On October 27th”the Ukrainian media broke the story that on October 26th”in Ternopil an unknown flu had killed seven people , and that over the past few days about 6 thousand people had sought out medical attention in regards to flu like symptoms. From this first report through to the 9th”of November over 1 million people inside the Ukraine people have contracted some form of flu like illness. This is almost double the number of ‘confirmed’ H1N1 cases worldwide in all other countries. There have also been over 155 deaths reported due to influenza during this time. This outbreak is unprecedented yet it has received minimal coverage in the western media. It just seemed to get lost amidst all of the swine flu coverage, and written off as just more cases of H1N1 before any lab samples had been processed. In the Ukrainian and”Russian media however the outbreak has been treated more seriously and has been referred to as ‘pneumonic plague’. On October 29th”a report came out of Ukraine describing the deaths of 6 young people in the Ivano-Frankivsk Oblast. After the autopsies were performed it was recorded that the cause of death in these individuals was “severe hemorrhagic pneumonia”. Also unconfirmed reports from bloggers in the Western Ukraine that doctors were seeing that this was a new form a flu that killed much faster than the regular H1N1 virus. “Soon Ukrainians started to panic, and the stores emptied of masks and all forms of flu medication. Even onions, garlic, and lemons became scarce in so me cities. As a countermeasure to this outbreak 9 Oblasts (cities) were placed under quarantine by the government. The WHO sent a team of experts to take samples of this new flu and send them back to the Mill Hill lab in London to determine the gene sequences of this flu, and to discover if this was in fact the same Californian/Mexican A/H1N1 virus. “On November 3rd”the WHO announced that the samples had been received at Mill Hill, yet almost a week later there have been no reports issued and no gene sequence data released. If these were typical samples it seems that an announcement would have been made already. “The silence is deafening. It should also be noted that rumors of the doctors being told not to disseminate any information about the new flu cases that would incite any panic, were later confirmed by statements made by the Ukrainian government that police have been told to confiscate hospital reports on patients who have recently contracted the flu.” All things considered, it would not be a surprise if this unidentified virus turned out to be far more serious than the mild A/H1N1 circulating the globe.Two unconfirmed reports, one in 2002 and one in 2009 by alleged government insiders revealed that at some point that live 1918 Spanish flu would be released on a large scale in the form of a vaccine, for the purpose of mass genocide. The August 2009 report by Joseph Moshe revealed that he was involved with Baxter in a plan to release the 1918 virus in the Ukraine.

 

Not only was it confirmed that he was a microbiologist, his claim was also substantiated by the current Ukrainian outbreak. After a number of deaths in September the Ukrainian government”banned the use of the H1N1 vaccine. This would make it quite difficult to release the 1918 virus as described by Joseph Moshe.” It now seems as though the vaccine ban will be lifted and h1n1 vaccines will be forced on the people of Ukraine. “On November 9th”the”Globe and Mail“published a story that revealed, despite”previous claims“by the Ukrainian Government that they had not authorized the use of aerosolized medication on the public as a response to the outbreak, that they in fact “sprayed the city with the necessary products”.” Was this in fact medication or disinfectant? If so why would the government deny this? “Was the spraying in fact a release of the mystery flu? Was the original intention to release it via the vaccine? Was the aerosol release the plan B after the Ukrainian government banned the use of the vaccine? A blog post from a Lviv resident claimed that his mother who works for the city council received a text message the night of Oct 29th from a colleague warning her to keep her windows closed as something was to be sprayed. The context wasn’t crystal clear. It could have been a warning regarding a street disinfecting procedure as is often done during typhoid outbreaks. The government’s denial is not irrefutable proof of a bio-attack, but it is suspicious.

 

As reported by SkyWatch Canada on September 15th , the frequency of low flying aircraft with unusual flight patterns have caught the attention of Canadians living in the Nation’s Capital. Is there a chance that Canadians are being acclimated to these types of flight patterns for a future bio-release ? In 1994 such an event took place in the town of Oakville, Washington where there were confirmed reports of a clear gel like substance raining form the sky and making residents horribly ill. Readers should also be reminded of the report given on the Power Hour radio show in March 2009, about truckloads of “bird flu” being delivered throughout America to underground missile silos orchestrated by the department of homeland security. Several of those loads were delivered into the back of a military C-130 (an aircraft often equipped with an aerosol dispersal system). Was this multi-million dollar operation conducted for the purpose of spreading the mild and basically insignificant H1N1 demi-flu ? Or has the final phase of the operation yet to occur? Has the event to justify the recent American National Emergency yet to occur? Will the CDC finally make use of their scores of mass graves and plastic caskets? Will the military be deployed to put the country under pandemic lockdown, as we have seen in the Ukraine? Far too much has been put into the H1N1 fiasco for it to amount to a mere outbreak of the common cold. It seems like many pieces of a plan have been put in place. Will the NWO put the people in check? Will the virus ‘Mutate’? Is this the beginning of the Globalist Endgame of population reduction ?

 

There are reports now coming from Romania, India, Bulgaria, Belarus, Turkey, Norway that the rate on increase of flu is increasing rapidly. In Norway foe example 300,000 residents contacted the flu in a single week. Whatever disease has been released is moving across Europe fast. This bug has spread too widely to be a Ukrainian election scam. Readers should note that just before the outbreak in Ukraine, the government was running pneumonic plague drills. In early November, there were also pneumonic plague drills being run in Illinois. Connect the dots. Notable there have also been reports of heavy supply and personnel movement in and out of known D.U.M.B.s (Deep Underground Military Bases) very recently. According to an unconfirmed report the parking lots of these bases are full and haven’t been this full since just after 911. What is going on? Will this fast moving disease be released in America? Listen for low flying aircraft. Shut your windows at night. Stock up on colloidal silver, antibiotics and high quality vitamins. Please watch the skies!

[jonlem]

Ok, Ebeneser.

Er dette et diskusjonsforum, eller en reklamekanal for Jane Burgermeisters nettsted?

Endret 13. november 2009 av jonlem

[Ebeneser]

Er du en myndighet på dette forumet? er du i possisjon til å fortelle meg hva jeg kan og ikke kan si?

[jonlem]

Er du en myndighet på dette forumet? er du i possisjon til å fortelle meg hva jeg kan og ikke kan si?

 

Nei, og det prøver jeg heller ikke. Jeg stilte deg et spørsmål, enkelt og greit. For min del må du sånn sett poste akkurat hva du vil, men jeg er så definitivt i posisjon til å stille spørsmål ved det du poster.

I tillegg er jeg i min fulle rett til å påpeke at de fleste av de siste innleggene dine i denne tråden er langt fra on topic.

Har du lest åpningsinnlegget?

 

Jeg begynner nå å tvile på din evne til å diskutere et tema på egen hånd, du poster jo bare en masse tekst fra ei heller tvilsom nettside.

Prøv nå å gi copy/paste-funksjonen i windows en pause, og tenk litt på egen hånd.

Endret 13. november 2009 av jonlem

[Xprez]

Alt jeg vet er at nå kommer konspirasjonsteoretikerne til å gå vill, en av di fine mulige bivirkningene av vaksina:

 

* Hendelser knyttet til graviditet

Spontanabort, fosterdød, livmorkramper

 

kilde: http://www.vg.no/helse/svineinfluensa/arti...hp?artid=598609

 

å gravide er jo en av gruppene som har prioritet på vaksina.

 

Å ha svineinfluensa hørtes ikke så ille ut i forhold til di bivirkningene der.