EU - Ja eller Nei?

[kybstud]

Men det at Russland er et grenseland + det de driver med utenfor den norske kysten kan fort føre til misforståelser -> militære angrep.

 

Var veldig nære spesielt i ett tilfelle under den kk. Husker ikke helt dato osv, men det var like før skuddet falt pga en misforståelse eller hva det var.

[O3K]

Men det at Russland er et grenseland + det de driver med utenfor den norske kysten kan fort føre til misforståelser -> militære angrep.

 

Var veldig nære spesielt i ett tilfelle under den kk. Husker ikke helt dato osv, men det var like før skuddet falt pga en misforståelse eller hva det var.

Det er vel dårlig kommunikasjon som er en av hovedårsakene bak misforståelsene der oppe. Spesielt når språkene våre er så forskjellige. Dessuten er det ofte private fiskere som forårsaker misforståelser og ikke nødvendigvis noen som representerer staten Russland. Men russerne er ikke dumme og de starter ikke en krig uten en god grunn.

 

Det ble sendt opp en norsk vær ballong ikke så alt for langt vekk fra grensen til Russland og Russerne ble "tatt på senga", og trodde først det var spionasje på gang. Skulle mene at dette skjedde i nær tid etter Sovjetunionens fall. Hvis jeg ikke tar helt feil.

[LucarioX]

Litt off-topic, men når vi først diskuterer Russland og Kina: Hvordan er egentlig forholdet mellom disse to landene? Hører jo stadig om krangler mellom Russland og vesten, (USA og EU) men russlands forhold til Kina hører vi jo ingenting om. Er de to naboene ganske gode venner fortiden, eller? De førte jo en ganske lik politikk før. Knallhard og kommunistisk. Har Russland bedre kontakt med Kina enn EU?

[O3K]

Sovjetunionen og Folkerepublikken Kina hadde et lite vennskap under den kalde krigen, men som rakst forsvant. Jeg har ikke mastergrad innen dette emnet så jeg forbeholder meg retten til å innrømme at jeg tok feil . Maos lille røde forteller blant annet hvor viktig det er for staten å ikke isolere seg fra de kapitalistiske statene. Mens Sovjet ikke var like keen på slike ideer.

 

Folkerepublikken Kina og Den russiske føderasjon har signert både vennskapsavtaler og grensepakter så ihvertfall jeg synes at det virker som Den russiske føderasjon og Folkerepublikken Kina har et vesentlig godt forhold. Om dette forholdet er bedre enn Den russiske føderasjonens forhold til Den europeiske union tør jeg ikke uttale meg om da andre store faktorer på EU siden som NATO også spiller en rolle. For ikke å nevne de amerikanske militærbasene i diverse medlemsland av Den europeiske union.

Endret 21. februar 2009 av O3K

[Feltherre]

Agrumenter for:

Interdependence prevents conflict

Since the Middle Ages, European nations have frequently been at war with each other. The increasing interdependence of EU member states makes war an unlikely option. Generally speaking; when a country joins the Union, more continuous dialogue relaxes relations and prevents conflicts.

 

Unity against external threats

In e.g. a potential cold war scenario, unity and solidarity amongst member states could be important. It is reasonable to assume that Norway as an EU member would experience greater solidarity by other member states in such a situation. Today, NATO doesn't cover all of the EU, and deeper military cooperation between EU members is expected to be deepened.[4] Former Prime Minister Thorbjørn Jagland has argued that Norway would have a stronger position within NATO if it had an EU membership.

 

Influence over decisions that affect Norway

Since its signing in 1994, the European Economic Area (EEA) agreement between EFTA and the EU has been under fire by both the Pro-EU and eurosceptic camps in Norway. It has been criticised for being an undemocratic intrusion upon Norwegian law due to the lack of any Norwegian participation in the formulation of legislation. Norway has a right to abstain, but has never used it. If Norway became an EU member, it would take part in the shaping of the laws and have a vote on EU decisions making in general.

 

Adopt the single currency

If Norway became a member it could legally adopt the euro in line with recommendation of the European Central Bank, as opposed to adopting it unilaterally.[6] A 2007 report suggested that Norway would benefit from doing so because the Norwegian economy is very similar to that of the Eurozone. The swap of currency would be especially positive for the export industry.

 

Little reform needed

Norway is already compliant with most additional requirements that EU membership would imply, to the point that a few years ago Romano Prodi, then president of the European Commission, commented that "Norway is already the best member of the EU".

 

 

Participation and influence

The EU is emerging as an economical and political counterbalance to the United States and rising Asian economies on the world stage.

 

Economic security

When the oil and gas alongside the Norwegian coast has run out, membership in the European Union might offer economic security and solidarity.

 

Norway losing cash by staying out of EU

Norway annually loses out on €180 million by not being an EU member, according to the Norwegian Institute of International Affairs.[8] Fishermen would gain from membership as the cost of entering the EU market would disappear and they would be able to fish in all EU waters.

 

Reduction in subsidies, cheaper food and alcohol

Those opposed to Norway's heavy subsidies for farming point out that protectionism by import barriers in this sector has led to very high prices in food for consumers, and increased competition would lower them. Opening to the EU market may also require Norway to reduce its heavy taxes on alcohol.[citation needed]

 

Securing Nynorsk

Nynorsk- and Bokmål Norwegian are the two official languages in Norway. Nynorsk is the least used, but would most likely obtain status as official EU language, in the same way as Irish did in 2007. Such a status would mean that legislation approved by both the European Parliament and the Council of Ministers would be translated into Nynorsk, and interpretation from Nynorsk would be available at European Parliament plenary sessions and some Council meetings.

 

 

Agumenter mot:

Further shearing of sovereignty

Norway would have to amend its constitution to become a member. It would have MEPs and its own European Commissioner, but would have to rely on the opinions of other members states in more policy areas than with today's EEA agreement.

 

Democratic deficit and little transparency

Currently, many EU decision makers, such as the European Commissioners, are appointed by member states' governments, and not directly by EU citizens. When national ministers gather in the Council of the European Union, their process of deciding have been criticised for not being transparent enough.

 

It should however be noted that the proposed Treaty of Lisbon which is expected to come into force early 2009, empowers the directly elected (by the people of Norway also, had it been a member) European Parliament, partly at the expense of Council. The new treaty also requires all meetings of the Council to be held in public.

 

Agriculture and fisheries

In case of EU membership, Norway would have to take part in the Common Fisheries Policy. Norwegian fishing quotas would have to be shared with the rest of the EU.[citation needed] Some claim the coastal areas of Norway, which rely heavily on fishing industry, would suffer from a reduced share of the catch.[citation needed]

 

The often steep Norwegian topography is unfavourable for agriculture. Some fear that Norway's relatively small farming industry would be disadvantageously exposed to competition from other parts of the Internal Market. Some fear state subsidies to Norwegian farming and fisheries would be made illegal, furthermore depopulating rural areas.[citation needed]

 

Reduction in economic self-determination

Euro adoption is de jure obligatory for all new member states of the European Union, and the European Central Bank would control Norway's interest rate and monetary policy. This would, for example, make it impossible for the Norwegian government to use the rate as a political tool. In 2008, a DnB NOR economist said that Norway would not benefit sufficiently on adopting the euro due to the impact of high oil-prices on Norway's economy.[10]

 

Threat to cultural identity

An argument is that closer ties with the rest of Europe could water-down Norwegian culture and language.

 

Budsjett

EU forvalter en relativt liten del av medlemslandenes økonomi. Budsjettet er begrenset oppad til 1,27 % av medlemslandenes totale BNP. Budsjettet som vedtas på sjuårsbasis utgjør i 2007 til sammen €862 milliarder.

 

Jeg er veldig usikker på et norsk EU medlemskap.