Forskjellen på data(teknikk)ingeniør og informatikk

[Løve]

Hei

 

Jeg har drevet å sett på informatikk og dataingeniør og ingeniør-datateknikk, men jeg har vanskelig å se noen forskjeller på hva man egentlig gjør på disse studiene. Er det noen som kan fortelle meg det? Er bare ingeniørstudiene mer avanserte informatikkstudier, eller har informatikk noe eget som ikke ingeniørstudiene har?

[OlavHN]

Hei

 

Jeg har drevet å sett på informatikk og dataingeniør og ingeniør-datateknikk, men jeg har vanskelig å se noen forskjeller på hva man egentlig gjør på disse studiene. Er det noen som kan fortelle meg det? Er bare ingeniørstudiene mer avanserte informatikkstudier, eller har informatikk noe eget som ikke ingeniørstudiene har?

 

 

Hei!

 

Den store forskjellen her på NTNU er at informatikk er delt i bachelor / mastermoduler og en står veldig fritt til å velge fagkobinasjoner som en selv ønsker.

 

Ingeniør i datateknikk er en del av sivil ingeniørstudiene på NTNU. Her får alle et solig realfaglig grunnlag og en velger gjennomtenkte hovedprofiler med stor fleksibilitet når en ønsker å spesialisere utdanninga. Går selv datateknikk og når jeg nå er gjennom "helvetesperioden" de første tre semesterne går fag og læring utrolig mye lettere. Et godt realfaglig grunnlag har virkelig noe for seg i de fleste sammenhenger. "Verktøykassa" kaller vi det her.

 

http://www.ntnu.no/studier/informasjonsteknologiinformatikk (alle retninger på ntnu)

http://www.ntnu.no/studier/bit (bachelormodulen i informatikk)

http://www.ntnu.no/studier/mtdt (datateknikk)

[Løve]

Altså, kan man velge flere datafag på informatikk siden man ikke har alle realfaga som faller under ingeniør?

[Løve]

Fant faktisk en morsom historie om forskjellen.

 

http://www.cs.utu.fi/staff/juha.kivijarvi/story.txt

 

Once upon a time, in a kingdom not far from here, a king summoned two

of his advisors for a test. He showed them both a shiny metal box

with two slots in the top, a control knob, and a lever. "What do you

think this is?"

 

One advisor, an engineer, answered first. "It is a toaster," he said.

The king asked, "How would you design an embedded computer for it?"

The engineer replied, "Using a four-bit microcontroller, I would

write a simple program that reads the darkness knob and quantizes its

position to one of 16 shades of darkness, from snow white to coal

black. The program would use that darkness level as the index to a

16-element table of initial timer values. Then it would turn on the

heating elements and start the timer with the initial value selected

from the table. At the end of the time delay, it would turn off the

heat and pop up the toast. Come back next week, and I'll show you a

working prototype."

 

The second advisor, a computer scientist, immediately recognized the

danger of such short-sighted thinking. He said, "Toasters don't just

turn bread into toast, they are also used to warm frozen waffles.

What you see before you is really a breakfast food cooker. As the

subjects of your kingdom become more sophisticated, they will demand

more capabilities. They will need a breakfast food cooker that can

also cook sausage, fry bacon, and make scrambled eggs. A toaster

that only makes toast will soon be obsolete. If we don't look to the

future, we will have to completely redesign the toaster in just a few

years."

 

"With this in mind, we can formulate a more intelligent solution to

the problem. First, create a class of breakfast foods. Specialize

this class into subclasses: grains, pork, and poultry. The

specialization process should be repeated with grains divided into

toast, muffins, pancakes, and waffles; pork divided into sausage,

links, and bacon; and poultry divided into scrambled eggs, hard-

boiled eggs, poached eggs, fried eggs, and various omelet classes."

 

"The ham and cheese omelet class is worth special attention because

it must inherit characteristics from the pork, dairy, and poultry

classes. Thus, we see that the problem cannot be properly solved

without multiple inheritance. At run time, the program must create

the proper object and send a message to the object that says, 'Cook

yourself.' The semantics of this message depend, of course, on the

kind of object, so they have a different meaning to a piece of toast

than to scrambled eggs."

 

"Reviewing the process so far, we see that the analysis phase has

revealed that the primary requirement is to cook any kind of breakfast

food. In the design phase, we have discovered some derived

requirements. Specifically, we need an object-oriented language with

multiple inheritance. Of course, users don't want the eggs to get

cold while the bacon is frying, so concurrent processing is required,

too."

 

"We must not forget the user interface. The lever that lowers the

food lacks versatility, and the darkness knob is confusing. Users

won't buy the product unless it has a user-friendly, graphical

interface. When the breakfast cooker is plugged in, users should

see a cowboy boot on the screen. Users click on it, and the message

'Booting UNIX v.8.3' appears on the screen. (UNIX 8.3 should be out

by the time the product gets to the market.) Users can pull down a

menu and click on the foods they want to cook."

 

"Having made the wise decision of specifying the software first in

the design phase, all that remains is to pick an adequate hardware

platform for the implementation phase. An Intel 80386 with 8MB of

memory, a 30MB hard disk, and a VGA monitor should be sufficient. If

you select a multitasking, object oriented language that supports

multiple inheritance and has a built-in GUI, writing the program will

be a snap. (Imagine the difficulty we would have had if we had

foolishly allowed a hardware-first design strategy to lock us into a

four-bit microcontroller!)."

 

The king wisely had the computer scientist beheaded, and they all

lived happily ever after.

[OlavHN]

Gøyal historie, men den kan være litt misvisende for oss nordmenn.

 

Sitat wikipedia:

 

In the United States, the Master of Engineering degree is generally a Professional degree offered as a coursework-based alternative to the traditional research-based Master of Science. It is typically a two-year program, and many universities allow students to choose between the Master of Engineering and the Master of Science.

 

Og en sivilingeniør i datateknikk får tittelen Master of computer science.

 

Oversettelsene til norsk er litt på jorde