Brukertest /Anmeldelse: FujiFilm F900EXR

[EskeRahn]

Review, Fujifilm F900EXR.

For officielle billeder med mere se fx FujiFilms egen side her

Akam produktguide her

Den officielle user guide kan findes her

 

I lighed med review af CX3, vil denne post/tråd sikkert blive løbende uddybet og tilrettet i den kommende tid.

Har valgt at denne gang prøve at skrive den på engelsk, for at kunne bruge det lidt bredere end bare herinde - og håber at det ikke strider mod forum guide-lines.

Eske Rahn 2013-05-23

 

 

Overall: Quite satisfied. 4/5

Minor firmware improvements could easily make it even better. You are left with no way to override the AF even when it fails(!), you can not even request focus at infinity!!

 

Overview

 

The PROs

+ Very good signal to noise ratio in lo light, even better than my CX3, that was better than the F200 (http://www.diskusjon...owtopic=1245531)

+ Fast camera. Not even using continuous mode but simply using the shutter, you can easily get 2 to 2.5 shots per second! (preview off, good lighting)

+ 20x zoom in reasonable slim body. About 3.8cm (INcluding protruding parts to both sides, distance between two parallel plates)

+ F3.5 at 25mm focal length (35mm eq.)

+ F5.3 at 500mm focal length (35mm eq.) [note: worst is F6.1 at 300mm]

+ The BSI CMOS sensor is 1/2" which is large for a compact with 20x zoom.

+ Fuji have tried to stay somewhat off the megapixel craze, and has given it 16Mpixels. A good compromise with better details and better lo light abilities than e.g. F200.

+ Shutter priority modes.

+ 'Aperture' priority modes. (ND filters i assume?)

+ Good image stabilizer. It is not hard to take non-blurred pictures at 1/10s and full 20x zoom, holding the camera at arm's length between two fingers and firing the shutter with a third.

+ Raw-file format offered

+ Some functions can be assigned A single one-click button "fn"

+ Some functions can be assigned two-click short-cuts ("e-fn" and six keys)

+ A bunch of features/filters/effects I haven't dug into, and most likely will never even try...

+ Reasonable sun light legibility of display

+ All the camera body's edges are smoothed/slanted making it as pocketable as possible given the thickness.

+ Good non-slip surface

+ General feeling of good hardware.

+ Good one and two hand grip for non-flash-usage.

+ Metal tripod mount

+ Lens protection build in

+ Hardware button for flash pop-up. So if you want to avoid accidentally taking flash photos, simply do not press the button.

+ Quiet zooming - though not completely noiseless

+ Zooming during video allowed, and done slower and even more quiet than when taking stills.

+ OIS during video also.

+ FullHD and HD 60fps video offered

+ Videos in "Portrait" supported.

+ SDXC supported

+ High speed videos with reduced resolution.

+ The Macro offers down to 40mm wide motive, 1/2921"=8.6micrometer motive per pixel. Better than expected - though far from the CX3.

+ Decent full moon pictures at 20x zoom. Even in automatic "p" mode - though not in automatic EXR mode.

 

The CONs, Software (easy to fix!!)

- NO manual focus! Not even a way to force it to infinity!

- Re-pressing the shutter does NOT cancel a preview. So preview-ON slows down consecutive shots significantly!

- Auto selection. If you pause for two seconds on many options it gets selected!!!

- No saving of personal sets of settings for later usages. Last used setting always remembered.

- FullHD and HD only 60fps video offered, not 24, 25 nor 30fps, so they get HUGE about 5Mb/sec, or 0.3Gb/min.

- Annoying VERY slow graphics when ever you try to delete a picture in the camera.

- File-naming wraps around zero after 9999 pictures.

- The focal length are stored as integers in the metadata, giving several the same values! From 1.0x to 1.8x 14 different zoom levels all labelled 5, 6, 7 or 8mm

- No 24h setting, only AM/PM

- Some odd Auto-rotation issues

 

The CONs, Hardware (hard to fix)

- AF handling small object at Infinity tend to fail, and no way to set the focus to Infinity, this is a serious issue.

- AF in poor light not too impressive at above appr. 12x zoom, and with no manual focus offered, this is sad news.

- 'Aperture' selection limited to two ND filters.

- Extremely small buffer for Continuous modes.

- The wheel around the "OK" certainly take some getting used to. I often activate it unintentionally.

- The tripod mount isn't centred, though 'only' off by about 14mm, but still blocking the battery/SDcard door.

- There are no Level indicator, that I REALLY miss from my CX3.

- The zooming steps are somewhat coarse. there are 39 steps of zoom over the entire 20x range (I'm used to 54 on the 10.7x zoom CX3)

- The battery/SD cover is a bit strange. You must put your thumb at the centre and pull it straight out. If you try at either end (including the thick end with a marked dot and the text "open"!) - it will not work, unless you pull quite hard...

- The ring around the lens could have been used as active.

- The lens is over-sold as 20x, "F3.5-5.3", At zoom 6x to 19x it is OVER F5.3! Over the entire 1x to 20x range it is F3.5-F6.1, IMPROVING from F6.1 at 12x towards F5.3 at 20x.

 

Further details

 

Many of the above bullets do not require further elaboration, so be sure to read the lists first.

 

No manual focus, and AF in poor light using high zoom factor.

I really miss the manual focus. I'm sure it would be SO simple to add in firmware!

With no manual focus the AF's limited abilities in poor light and zoom above approximately 12x, is sad news on a camera that are especially good at taking pictures in lo light...

It is hard to get shutter times worse than about 1/10s with AF light off on large zoom, as the AF will have problems at light conditions where slow shutter times are needed. It can be enforced in Shutter priority mode though.

So PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE add this in a firmware upgrade, ASAP!!

The obvious way to implement it would be through e-fn as a selectable item, and when selected use the wheel, and display the distance to the focus plane with the current zoom ratio.

The super elegant variant would be if the display also outlined any objects found by the AF in (or close by) the manually selected focus plane.

During video recording the ring is currently inactive, so it could move the focus plane directly.

 

No manual focus, and AF at 'infinity' even in good light

I also tried to take some shots at distant objects like the moon or planes in daylight. And there seems to be no way to persuade the camera to stay at "Infinity", so you will need a number of shots to get it right.

(Of course you can use the 'focus lock' on another distant object, but unless the exposure luckily also matched, it will give a poor result...)

Even the "Scenery"-mode called "Landscape" do not put the camera in Infinity-distance mode. (nor does "Fireworks", or even "Sunset"?!?!?)

This is REALLY stupid, as the 20x-zoom is most likely to be applied on far away objects!!

If they AT THE LEAST defaulted to infinity, when the AF failed at 20x zoom, a lot would be gained

 

 

Re-pressing the shutter during preview

Please add a fix so Re-pressing the shutter during preview cancels the preview immediately.

With preview-OFF the camera can easily provide 2 to 2.5 shots per second simply pressing the shutter (in good light)

Currently if you have chosen 0.5 secs preview, you can 'only' take one picture every second (and if 1,5s preview once every 2s) - an annoying firmware limitation/bug.

 

Auto Selection

If you pause for two seconds on many options it gets selected!!! This is really annoying in the menus when you explore the possibilities.

It MIGHT not feel that bad in daily usage, when you only enter a menu when you intend to choose a different setting.

To add to the confusion, I haven't found a system in where auto-select is active and where not...

So please: An "Auto selection" setting switch with three options "Auto OK", "Auto Cancel" or "Off" would be nice!

As the Back key and Disp key is the same, and pressing this key during shooting first selects the Disp-mode-selection (where auto-selection is active) and under this the same key works as right arrow(?!?!?!). So you can not cancel, but must select the same mode again manually.... So if you 'panic' and press Back multiple times, you end up changing the display-settings unintentionally...

 

Graphics on deletion

Fuji still uses really annoying VERY slow graphics when ever you try to delete a picture in the camera.

They have had this 'feature' from way back (a decade?) when it made sense and cards were slow - with a fast card it is a pest!

PLEASE add a setting switch for that!

 

Continuous modes

There are four different options.

L 3.0/s for 3.7s then 2.5/s

M 6.0/s for 0.8s then 2.5/s

H 11.0/s for 0.5s then 2.5/s

SH 16.0/s for 0.8s then 2.5/s

 

The extremely small buffer makes the Continuous modes practically useless, as they are limited to 0.3 to 1 second in duration!!.

Making it highly unlikely to hit the right moment. The L-mode has 3fps for almost 4s, but as you can get 2.5fps just pressing the shutter - there are not much need for that.

Also note that the rotation state of the camera are sometimes(?) ignored, some continuous shots are stored as landscape - I can not understand why/when, I got it multiple times in the beginning, but haven't seen it for quite a while??

 

Auto rotate

It is fine that it is optional to have the playback rotating the picture depending on how you held the camera while the picture was taken.. Put in playback they assume you hold the camera in landscape only. So you can not rotate the camera to view a "Portrait" picture in full screen??

Videos in Portrait played back on the camera do not auto-rotate at all, (But they are stored correctly, and play back fine on a pc).

 

File-naming

Files are named in the form DSCF#### - except continuous shots. With #### being a consecutive number.

But note that file-naming wraps around zero after 9999 pictures (though in different folder on the SD), So if you have had Fuji cameras before (like me), you may have to do some substantial renaming of the old ones to avoid conflicting names.

I would have preferred the number to 'eat' into the "DSCF" text.

 

The naming for continuous shots differ from normal pictures.

The continuous have the same last four digit consecutive number BUT the "DSCF" are replaced by "S###" where the three digit represent the number of the sequence.

This gives a strange ordering by name. But I think it is a better solution that the MP format (used by e.g. Ricoh), that are not too commonly supported, despite being a cipa standard (http://www.cipa.jp/e...-X007-KEY_E.pdf and in more detail http://www.cipa.jp/e...df/DC-007_E.pdf).

I see no good solution sticking to the 8.3 naming convention, if you want the sequence-number also in the file-name.

I think the best solution would be to keep the sequence-number as meta-data only (you got the time-stamp to keep them together), OR breaking the 8.3 format an obvious choice would be "DSCF####_###.JPG"

 

Aperture

The aperture-option is not iris. You got three options for: basic lens F, F * 2 and F * 3.

I assume these are ND4x and ND9x -filters inserted (you can hear a tiny extra mechanical sound pressing the shutter).

This limits the usage of aperture selection.

 

Zoom and aperture

The zoom works in 39 steps. They are easy to produce zooming in. It can be a little hard to zoom out one step (I guess due to the AF)

 

The real aperture varies in a strange way over the zoom range, getting worse and worse (as expected) going from F3.5 for 1x to F6.1 for 12x. But getting BETTER down to F5.3 for 20x!!

Click table to enlarge to readable size - sorry the CODE-tags are completely unstable in this forum...

The apertures grows almost linearly with the logarithm to the zoom, for zoom between 1x and 12x

 

Video

The F900 offer both FullHD and HD in 60fps, and VGA in 30fps.

But oddly neither 1080p nor 720p with 24, 25 or 30fps??

Additionally three High-speed modes VGA 120fps, 320x240 240fps and 320x112 480fps

 

LCD-brightness

The display can be pushed up quite bright, but this washes out details, so only really relevant in direct sunlight.

It would be nice if setting the brightness was one of the functions assignable to short-cut keys.

An 'auto' mode cranking up the brightness, and reducing it in poor light would be nice also.

 

Short-cuts

There are seven assignable short-cuts available, one single stroke "fn", and the rest double by "e-fn".

The currently assigned functions for "e-fn" are neatly displayed on the screen, so you do not have to remember them by heart. Nice detail.

(Two extra could be easily gained by using "e-fn" twice -this currently doubles as "e-fn" plus "back"-, and "e-fn" plus "fn" -currently ignored- as also assignable)

 

Software

I haven't even opened the accompanying CD (yet), so I have no idea what is offered. I'm not sure that I'm ever going to.

 

Examples

(Click to enlarge)

Note that ALL the below examples are hand held, no tripod, and Spot-metered.

 

Moon [EXIF: F, 20x, F5.3, 1/240s, Iso100, Brightness=7.82]

Crop:

 

Macro Monitor I (Samsung 275T+) , EXIF: F, 1x, F3.5, 1/100s, Iso400, Brightness=3.28

 

Macro Monitor II (Lenovo X300) , EXIF: F, 1x, F3.5, 1/42s, Iso100, Brightness=4.07

 

Dog smelling flowers close , EXIF: M, 1x, F3.5, 1/640s, Iso100, Brightness=8.57

 

Dog smelling flowers II , EXIF: M, 1x, F3.5, 1/680s, Iso100, Brightness=8.7

 

Dog in train , EXIF: F, 1.3x, F3.7, 1/80s, Iso400, Brightness=3.39

 

Dog in the night , EXIF: M, 1x, F3.5, 1/8s, Iso3200, Brightness=-6.89 (Note: MINUS)

 

Moon in daylight , EXIF: F, 20x, F5.3, 1/420s, Iso100, Brightness=8.7

 

Plane (RYR7WM)

Seen from the outskirts of Svendborg, estimated distance 15Km (12km up, view point 9km off track). Info taken from flightradar24.com, collage:

Using 20x, EXIF: F, 20x, F5.3, 1/280s, Iso100, Brightness=8.18

Crop:

Using 40x (20x+digital), EXIF: F, 40x, F5.3, 1/340s, Iso100, Brightness=8.38

Crop:

Note that the tail-marking can be somewhat recognised zooming in on the 20x image, but is almost blurred away by the noise-reduction of the digital zoom. And left wing tip also looks pretty strange and expanded. This MIGHT be a reflection of the sun though??

 

Plane (NAX56MG) , EXIF: F, 20x, F5.3, 1/220s, Iso100, Brightness=7.68

Straight over my head, 12Km up, much better atmospheric conditions

Crop:

You can make out the existence of letters under the wing - though not read them. The front paint (including the line on the shadow side) are easily seen.

 

White Wagtail on the lawn , EXIF: F, 20x, F5.3, 1/180s, Iso100, Brightness=7.43 (flowers are 15-20mm)

 

Garden with Rhododendron Wide and Tele

EXIF: F, 1x, F7.1, 1/500s, Iso100, Brightness=7.95 (note the aperture, the automatic has applied the ND4)

EXIF: F, 20x, F5.3, 1/340s, Iso100, Brightness=8.25

 

Party-shots, Poor light

EXIF: F, 1x, F3.5, 1/10s, Iso1600, Brightness=-1.79 (note the minus)

The tent lit by 25 candles only.

 

EXIF: F, 1x, F3.5, 1/7s, Iso800, Brightness=-1.72 (note the minus)

A gas heater (and its light) added

 

EXIF: F, 1x, F3.5, 1/9s, Iso1600, Brightness=-1.76 (note the minus)

Note that this picture is shown correctly in portrait (not landscape) in Win8, so something about the metadata and autorotation might be wrong???

 

Extreme lo light

Firewall, router and cable-mess very poorly lit.

F900 on auto, F900 shutter-priority matching CX3 and CX3, all iso3200

 

Wide:

F900 EXIF: F, 1x, F3.5, 1/4s, Brightness=-7.75 ; F900 EXIF: F, 1x, F3.5, 1/15s, Brightness=-7.51 ; CX3 EXIF: F3.5, 1/15s, Brightness=-3.3

 

Zoom to approximately 10x:

F900 EXIF: F, 10x, F6.1, 1/4s, Brightness=-5.8 ; F900 EXIF: F, 10x, F6.1, 1/13s, Brightness=-5.53 ; CX3 EXIF: F5.6, 1/13s, Brightness=-1.9

 

Zoom to 20x (took a LOT of tries to get the AF right):

F900 EXIF: F, 20x, F5.3, 1/4s, Brightness=-5.45

The zoom in is on the Cisco asa to the left in the wide shot. Note the differences in the reflections of the LEDs in the tables black paint, and the the artefacts of the wall on the wide shots.

I claim that the F900 is a clear winner, even when forced to the speeds used by the CX3

 

...And the same motive as high contrast example in daylight, EXIF: F, 1x, F5.3, 1/10s, Iso1600, Brightness=-1.42 (note the minus)

Endret 1. august 2013 av EskeRahn

[EskeRahn]

Fuji-del af indlæg flyttet over fra CX3-tråd:

På andre lister kun fått høyra at modellar etter F200 ikkje er så gode som den. Så det om F900 er interessant. Men er litt betenkt etter din anmeldelse av den, for mange svake punkt. Fuji kjent for mange småproblem som må rettast opp? Tenkt på 20x zoom, men å halda stødig på 20 x kan vel vera vanskeleg.

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For mig er det afgørende at kamera er lille/lommevenligt, så jeg får det med, (ellers ender jeg med at det ligger hjemme, og jeg må nøjes med kamerafunktion i telefon)

 

Det 'alvorligste' problem jeg ser med F900 er at AF ikke virker godt mod fjernt difust objekt, og netop den megen zoom gør at man jo har lyst til at tage billeder af fx fugle i luften. Men som sagt en simpel firmware-fix med infinity vil løse dette, og da Fuji plejer at være flinke med firmware updates, så tror (og håber) jeg det kommer.

Det er ikke noget jeg har gjort før, da de 10x zoom i CX3 ikke er nok til det, så det er et nyt 'behov' F900 inviterer til, men så ikke opfylder grundet firmware-tanketorsk. Man skulle synnes at det var indlysende at fx mode "Landscape" defaultede til Infinity-focus hvis AF ikke kan fange motivet...

 

At holde F900 stille på 20x zoom er faktisk ikke et reelt problem i normalt godt lys, se fx billedet af flyet 12Km lodret oppe, det er håndholdt over hovedet, hvor bemaling er tydelig. Tror 12Km atmosfære her er et større problem end at holde det stille, for slet ikke at snakke om at det flyver med omtrent fem gange flyets længde i sekundet.

 

Du skal have tider længere end 1/10s for at det reelt kan drille - og hvor tit har man behov for 20x zoom mod langsomt/ikke bevægeligt motiv, hvor man ikke kan støtte kamera?

 

De første par dage overvejede jeg at beholde CX3 som primær kamera, og kun bruge F900 til ultrazoom, men er blevet ganske glad for det, og reelt set er det (på nær AF i diffust lys og mindre fantastisk makro) på praktisk taget alle måder mindst lige så godt som CX3. Har allerede nogenlunde vænnet mig til det der betjenings-hjul. (Hvis de ved en fix bruger det til manuel fokus, vil jeg ligefrem blive glad for hjulet)

Indtil ca 175mm ækvivalent følges de ad zoom/aperture, herefter har CX3 det underlige spring og er klart bedre på 200mm, men stiger hastigt og går 'kun' til 300mm hvor forskel atter er beskeden, og F900EXR fortsætter til 500mm ækv.

 

Så forventer at det bliver CX3 der kommer til at ligge på hylden, og kun taget frem til ekstrem-makro, når/hvis 3000ppi ikke er nok, og man har brug for de over 6000ppi (dvs som fattigmands-mikroskop)

 

Den 100% subjektive og 'usaglige' følelse af at F900 er mere 'lækkert' i hænderne spiller også ind i hvilket man tager når begge ligger på bordet.

 

Kan forresten anbefale dette etui til under £2 inklusive forsendelse! (efter at have købt flere langt dyrere der ikke passer nær så godt)

[eilivk]

Spennande kamera! Imponert over fly-testen. Slutta å bruka dpr sitt Fujiforum, ganske ville tilstandar der nå. Kjem kanskje med i superzoom-testar? Sony har visst pocket-zoom opp til 30, veit lite om kvaliteten. Ikkje lett å følgja med på nye kamera...

 

Ser F900 på Lefdal på Ski og Ski-en kanskje resten av alfabetet snart?

[EskeRahn]

Spennande kamera! Imponert over fly-testen. Slutta å bruka dpr sitt Fujiforum, ganske ville tilstandar der nå. Kjem kanskje med i superzoom-testar? Sony har visst pocket-zoom opp til 30, veit lite om kvaliteten. Ikkje lett å følgja med på nye kamera...

 

Ser F900 på Lefdal på Ski og Ski-en kanskje resten av alfabetet snart?

Overvejde også den nye Sony HX50 / HX50V med 30x, der umiddelbart ser meget interessant ud, men den får meget 'juling' i dårligt lys i alle de test jeg fandt, så opgav den igen, da det er vigtigere for mig end mere zoom.

[EskeRahn]

Jeg har rettet en væsentlig fejl i mit initielle review:

Jeg påstod at F900 havde alvorligt svært ved at bruge AF i dårligt lys. Dette er IKKE korrekt generelt. Sammenlignet med CX3, og op til dennes max på 10x zoom er F900 faktisk BEDRE. Problemerne opstår fra ca 12x zoom og forstærkes mod de 20x zoom. Så det berører altså KUN ekstreme motiver, under meget zoom, og vil derfor næppe mærkes som alvorligt i reel brug.

Endret 11. juni 2013 av EskeRahn

[EskeRahn]

Jeg har ændret omkring de fejl der er med autorotate. Det er fejl jeg kun så i begyndelsen, og jeg kan ikke finde system i hvornår de optræder??

At nogle billeder (som festbilledet) kan optræde helt korrekt i kameraet, i Windows 8, og i fx Irfanview, men bliver forkert ved upload her, gør bare det hele mere mystisk...

 

Og videoer i portrait afspilles helt korrekt på pc, det er kun på selve kameraet at de ikke opfører sig som almindelige billeder.

Endret 1. juli 2013 av EskeRahn

[EskeRahn]

Et par yderligere eksempler.
Her fra weekendens Roger Water koncert i København
Alle håndholdte (og selvfølgelig uden blitz) og på EXR-automatik.
(Klik for at forstørre)

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Endret 16. august 2013 av EskeRahn

[EskeRahn]

Jeg har netop erstattet mit F900EXR med et Panasonic Lumix TZ70, se review her
 
På nær en mere lommevenlig glat udformning, og bedre blænde i et smalt bånd mellem 450-500mm, er TZ70 bedre eller ligeså godt på alle punkter, og en helt masse af mine klager over F900 er løst med TZ70, så det kommer med varmeste anbefalinger herfra!!.

Endret 27. april 2015 av EskeRahn